What is heretical?

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Scotth1960

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What is heretical?

My belief used to be heretical. I pray I am not heretical any more. All I am sure of is I now don't believe in the Filioque. That doesn't mean necessarily that all of my beliefs and practices are Orthodox. But I am seeking to come into the Orthodox Church.
God help me.

http:// orthodoxinfo.com/ecumenism/prot_rc_heresy.aspx


In the Eastern Orthodox Church:
"Neither the Roman Catholics nor Protestants have ever been condemned or excommunicated as such, so a common policy in regard to them has never been adopted."
Sobornost, 6:8 (1973), 531.



In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
 
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foundthetruth

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If you can find true fellowship in the church, more power to you! Ask the Holy Spirit to guide you into all truth concerning doctrines and beliefs. Be careful of what you speak for the tongue holds the power of life and death, but I have never met anyone who has had all the answers or who's opinions are 100% correct.
 
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Scotth1960

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foundthetruth said:
If you can find true fellowship in the church, more power to you! Ask the Holy Spirit to guide you into all truth concerning doctrines and beliefs. Be careful of what you speak for the tongue holds the power of life and death, but I have never met anyone who has had all the answers or who's opinions are 100% correct.
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That is true. I spoke some sinful words and did some sinful deeds long before I had heard there even was an Orthodox Church. After I learned of the Orthodox Church, it took me some time to learn the Orthodox Church teachings, and for grace to sink into my heart. I still have to struggle against bad thoughts, now that I have heard the Gospel in the Orthodox Church. Grace is a journey, and we have to constantly fight with the help of the Holy Spirit against the world, the flesh, and the devil. We have to work out our salvation in Christ with fear (of God) and trembling.
My opinions are not 100 percent correct. But Eastern Orthodoxy is not the opinions or traditions of men. It is completely correct, but even the Orthodox Church Fathers knew in part and prophesied in part. But they were a lot closer to God's truth than we are here in America. Only a remnant of people have grace here in America, but it may be a lot more people than we know of. There are truths in each Christian denomination, at least the ones which still believe in the Holy Trinity and the Deity and humanity of Jesus Christ.
As for the book of Revelation, or the book of Daniel, no man on earth seems to know 100 percent what the book (those books) say(s)or mean(s).

God bless you.

Scott Erie PA

That is sure.
 
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Metropolitan Kallistos Ware writes in regards to the Filioque.

"The filioque controversy which has separated us for so many centuries is more than a mere technicality, but it is not insoluble. Qualifying the firm position taken when I wrote The Orthodox Church twenty years ago, I now believe, after further study, that the problem is more in the area of semantics and different emphases than in any basic doctrinal differences" (Diakonia, quoted from Elias Zoghby’s A Voice from the Byzantine East, 43).
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And some quotes from some early Church fathers show that while it shouldn't have been added to the creed except during a council, the idea that the Spirit could proceed from the Son isn't heretical.


Filioque

Reading the documents of the second Nicean Council shows that there was considerable debate over adding the words "and the Son" and while they all agreed that it wasn't necessarily heretical provided the words show that the Spirit was sent from the Father AND the Son not BY the Son which implies that the Son has authority over the Spirit rather than being an equal.

In my opinion as a Byzantine Catholic, it shouldn't have been added without a full council's authority, but when understood in the context of why it was added and seeing that there was even spirited debate over adding it in the original creed, it's not heretical. It's just really bad grammatical/translation that COULD (not necessarily DOES) lead to a heretical idea. However the clarifications by the Romans help things. In my opinion, it's not worth going into schism over an issue that appears to be mainly one of grammar when viewed in full context.
 
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Abiding

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The two main heresys in the new testament

adding the law to grace(the Spirit) as the judaizers did.

gnostics..who denied the physical death and resurrection of Christ.

thats oversimplified but lots of false doctrinal teachings come from them two main ones.
 
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dscherck said:
Metropolitan Kallistos Ware writes in regards to the Filioque.



And some quotes from some early Church fathers show that while it shouldn't have been added to the creed except during a council, the idea that the Spirit could proceed from the Son isn't heretical.


Filioque

Reading the documents of the second Nicean Council shows that there was considerable debate over adding the words "and the Son" and while they all agreed that it wasn't necessarily heretical provided the words show that the Spirit was sent from the Father AND the Son not BY the Son which implies that the Son has authority over the Spirit rather than being an equal.

In my opinion as a Byzantine Catholic, it shouldn't have been added without a full council's authority, but when understood in the context of why it was added and seeing that there was even spirited debate over adding it in the original creed, it's not heretical. It's just really bad grammatical/translation that COULD (not necessarily DOES) lead to a heretical idea. However the clarifications by the Romans help things. In my opinion, it's not worth going into schism over an issue that appears to be mainly one of grammar when viewed in full context.
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The official position of the Orthodox Church on the Filioque was stated in 879-880 which reinstated Saint Photios to fellowship, a decision which was accepted by the pope of Rome at the time. This council is regarded as the Eighth Ecumenical Council by the Orthodox Church. It is okay to disagree with the honorable Bishop Kallistos Ware, because the Filioque matter is not a matter of mere semantics. According to blessed Saint Photios, and he is a Church Father, the Filioque as a dogma is a heresy. The Second Ecumenical Council already established the truth for the Church for all eternity. It can't be changed. It is the final word, because it comes from Jesus Christ, the Final Word, in John 15:26, which is the sole verse in the whole NT which talks about the Holy Spirit "proceeding." And it is clear: The Holy Spirit proceeds "from the Father". Period. See John 15:26. Amen.

God bless you.


 
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