What is Holy Communion?
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Why would you assume I'm avoiding anything?
How do YOU understand "Holy Communion"?
Here's how the scriptures define it: "That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ."
I perceive you are trying to make a point that you think is important.
How do YOU understand "Holy Communion"?
Here's how the scriptures define it: "That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ."
I perceive you are trying to make a point that you think is important.
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Had to reply to that twice .....huh?
Probably because it is a simple response to you. When you said that Jesus never said the very thing that he did say in that verse.
The doctrine itself is not based on that verse alone, but a few others where Jesus said, this is my body take and eat, and this is the new covenant in my blood take and drink. And then where Paul quotes Jesus.
Along with some other passages in the OT as well. Things I'm disinclined to explain to some one with such high academic accolades. After all I'm just a lay person who relies on reading other academics, and regular normal reading comprehension .
Probably because it is a simple response to you. When you said that Jesus never said the very thing that he did say in that verse.
The doctrine itself is not based on that verse alone, but a few others where Jesus said, this is my body take and eat, and this is the new covenant in my blood take and drink. And then where Paul quotes Jesus.
Along with some other passages in the OT as well. Things I'm disinclined to explain to some one with such high academic accolades. After all I'm just a lay person who relies on reading other academics, and regular normal reading comprehension .
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Jesus Christ is not a mere human being; He is God Himself in the Flesh, as we know. He tells us to eat His Flesh and drink His Blood so that we can have His Life in us. The Jews were told not to drink the blood of animals or other human beings because they were not to have the life of those beings in them; but God does want Christ's Life in us, so we drink His Blood.
This happens in Holy Communion. Please read 1 Corinthians 10 and 11 where this is very clearly explained.
1 Cor 10:
16The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread that we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? 17Because the loaf of bread is one, we, though many, are one body, for we all partake of the one loaf.
18Look at Israel according to the flesh; are not those who eat the sacrifices participants in the altar?
This happens in Holy Communion. Please read 1 Corinthians 10 and 11 where this is very clearly explained.
1 Cor 10:
16The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread that we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? 17Because the loaf of bread is one, we, though many, are one body, for we all partake of the one loaf.
18Look at Israel according to the flesh; are not those who eat the sacrifices participants in the altar?
The Early Church Fathers unanimously believed Holy Communion - or the Holy Eucharist, the word for "thanksgiving" in the Greek - was the True Body and Precious Blood of Jesus Christ, not a bare and empty symbol, but the Real Presence of Christ.
For e.g. : http://therealpresence.org/eucharst/father/fathers.htm
St. Ignatius of Antioch (c. 110 A.D.)
I have no taste for corruptible food nor for the pleasures of this life. I desire the Bread of God, WHICH IS THE FLESH OF JESUS CHRIST, who was of the seed of David; and for drink I DESIRE HIS BLOOD, which is love incorruptible. (Letter to the Romans 7:3)
Take care, then, to use one Eucharist, so that whatever you do, you do according to God: FOR THERE IS ONE FLESH OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST, and one cup IN THE UNION OF HIS BLOOD; one ALTAR, as there is one bishop with the presbytery… (Letter to the Philadelphians 4:1)
They [i.e. the Gnostics] abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they do not confess that THE EUCHARIST IS THE FLESH OF OUR SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST, flesh which suffered for our sins and which the Father, in his goodness, raised up again. (Letter to Smyrnians 7:1)
For e.g. : http://therealpresence.org/eucharst/father/fathers.htm
St. Ignatius of Antioch (c. 110 A.D.)
I have no taste for corruptible food nor for the pleasures of this life. I desire the Bread of God, WHICH IS THE FLESH OF JESUS CHRIST, who was of the seed of David; and for drink I DESIRE HIS BLOOD, which is love incorruptible. (Letter to the Romans 7:3)
Take care, then, to use one Eucharist, so that whatever you do, you do according to God: FOR THERE IS ONE FLESH OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST, and one cup IN THE UNION OF HIS BLOOD; one ALTAR, as there is one bishop with the presbytery… (Letter to the Philadelphians 4:1)
They [i.e. the Gnostics] abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they do not confess that THE EUCHARIST IS THE FLESH OF OUR SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST, flesh which suffered for our sins and which the Father, in his goodness, raised up again. (Letter to Smyrnians 7:1)
The Jewish law was very clear. Jews were not allowed to drink human blood or eat human flesh. You can put whatever spin you want to on it but the fact is Jews are NOT allowed to eat human flesh or drink human blood.
Just in case you are having difficulty understanding Jewish Law, Jews are NOT allowed to eat human flesh or drink human blood.
Just in case you are having difficulty understanding Jewish Law, Jews are NOT allowed to eat human flesh or drink human blood.
One of my mentors was a man who was a Professor of Linguistics at Oxford University specializing in Hebrew and Greek. Before he died at the age of 86, he translated scripture into Chinese and formed a mission that smuggled the Bible into China even though it was banned. He also wrote numerous teaching books in Chinese and had them smuggled into China in their millions. I don't understand why God would choose him if he was lost.
Remember that the Lord's Supper was only for REMEMBRANCE of what HE did for us.
You CANNOT receive or ingest His actual flesh and blood.
Anyone who has been Born-Again by the Spirit and belongs to Christ can practice/partake in this Memorial breaking of Bread and Wine = there is no earthbound priesthood that exists for this to be officiated.
Any who make the claim that they have power/authority to 'transubstantiate/change' the bread and wine into Christ's flesh and blood is antichrist and a liar.
You CANNOT receive or ingest His actual flesh and blood.
Anyone who has been Born-Again by the Spirit and belongs to Christ can practice/partake in this Memorial breaking of Bread and Wine = there is no earthbound priesthood that exists for this to be officiated.
Any who make the claim that they have power/authority to 'transubstantiate/change' the bread and wine into Christ's flesh and blood is antichrist and a liar.
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