What is Moral?
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I can appreciate your point as I once had the same problems with the bible and God. Until I started digging deeper and realized that there was no genocide commanded by God. however to understand that you would have to actually get to know who God is and only then will it make sense why He did what He did. and by the way, god did not ordain slavery, the slavery you refer to was very different to what you term slave today.
A slave then was someone who had done crime and slavery was the jail system in some respects. but God stipulated that the slave had to be treated fairly and paid a proper wage. The slave also had to be released after 7 years and sent away with money and goods to make a life for themselves. Often slaves would chose at this time to remain a slave because of the relationship and connection they made with the family.
not really the same as what you thing when you think slave is it? now there are other reasons and stipulations also but that gives some of the picture.
etc etc, the point being you have not really tried to understand who God is so you make assumptions and pick at things that seem wrong to you. but once you get to know who God is and how he operates it become clear that what was done was the best and most loving option.
Take the destruction of cities for example. this was commonly done in that time. that was how kingdoms dealt with each other. So its error to just point it out as bad just because God tells Israel to do it. second if you study history you will find this nation God said to destroy was evil to the bone. They held hundreds of thousands in slave labour not the good moral jail system type. more like tyranicle. on top of that they were desperate to destroy the Jewish nation and had attacked on occasions for no reason and killed the weakest first.
God gave them 4 generations to change their evil ways before He told Israel to wipe them out. And it was a major city not and entire nation. They wiped out the power behind the movement but not the whole nationality. In fact there are many nations that God told Israel to leave alone because they had not become totally evil beyond reaching.
God never destroys or asked His people in the old testament to destroy innocent people. Point being its not what you think.
A slave then was someone who had done crime and slavery was the jail system in some respects. but God stipulated that the slave had to be treated fairly and paid a proper wage. The slave also had to be released after 7 years and sent away with money and goods to make a life for themselves. Often slaves would chose at this time to remain a slave because of the relationship and connection they made with the family.
not really the same as what you thing when you think slave is it? now there are other reasons and stipulations also but that gives some of the picture.
etc etc, the point being you have not really tried to understand who God is so you make assumptions and pick at things that seem wrong to you. but once you get to know who God is and how he operates it become clear that what was done was the best and most loving option.
Take the destruction of cities for example. this was commonly done in that time. that was how kingdoms dealt with each other. So its error to just point it out as bad just because God tells Israel to do it. second if you study history you will find this nation God said to destroy was evil to the bone. They held hundreds of thousands in slave labour not the good moral jail system type. more like tyranicle. on top of that they were desperate to destroy the Jewish nation and had attacked on occasions for no reason and killed the weakest first.
God gave them 4 generations to change their evil ways before He told Israel to wipe them out. And it was a major city not and entire nation. They wiped out the power behind the movement but not the whole nationality. In fact there are many nations that God told Israel to leave alone because they had not become totally evil beyond reaching.
God never destroys or asked His people in the old testament to destroy innocent people. Point being its not what you think.
When Adam and Eve were made alive to flesh was that alive evil, the Devil, hmmm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
did Christ come to do and go to the cross to kill evil flesh that we all are born with to begin with after the similitude of Adam and Eve, in need of new life in the Spirit of God?
Which is more important the birth in the flesh or the resurrection and justification in the Spirit? In other words which fulfills, Spirit of God or the flesh?
did Christ come to do and go to the cross to kill evil flesh that we all are born with to begin with after the similitude of Adam and Eve, in need of new life in the Spirit of God?
Which is more important the birth in the flesh or the resurrection and justification in the Spirit? In other words which fulfills, Spirit of God or the flesh?
But through prayer God does and which answer is true, God's or man's, you decide free will choice
God who comes to live in us today, thanks to Christ the Son, teaches us each personally truth over error.
Do you believe God in that it is the truth that sets you free? So take all that is said here in Prayer asking God to sort it out
[h=3]Hebrews 8:11[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]and they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
It is 100% moral to trust and believe God over man, that includes self!!!!!!!!!!!
God who comes to live in us today, thanks to Christ the Son, teaches us each personally truth over error.
Do you believe God in that it is the truth that sets you free? So take all that is said here in Prayer asking God to sort it out
[h=3]Hebrews 8:11[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]and they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
It is 100% moral to trust and believe God over man, that includes self!!!!!!!!!!!
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
At His return, Jesus Christ is going to burn the Beast and False Prophet to death. This will be one of the very first things He does, along with killing the 200 million man army that attempts to fight against Him.
Rev 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Rev 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
This is going to make for a very bloody time...
Rev 14:20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.
That is a lot of bllod flowing through the valley of Jezreel.
At His return, Jesus Christ is going to burn the Beast and False Prophet to death. This will be one of the very first things He does, along with killing the 200 million man army that attempts to fight against Him.
Rev 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Rev 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
This is going to make for a very bloody time...
Rev 14:20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.
That is a lot of bllod flowing through the valley of Jezreel.
[h=3]Deuteronomy 2:34[/h]King James Version (KJV)
34 And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain:
[h=3]1 Samuel 15:3[/h]King James Version (KJV)
3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
34 And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain:
[h=3]1 Samuel 15:3[/h]King James Version (KJV)
3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
Here is scripture to back that up
Romans 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Galatians 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Romans 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Galatians 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Thank You, does this make /God unrighteous? or does god know who is who and, what can I ever say to the potter, being only the clay?
God is righteous and the only one good to this very day, and that did happen per scripture, and they believed God to say that and did it. Okay, one day when actually home we will know and hear the truth in it all.
I mean God told Abraham to kill his own son and Abraham willing to do so, understanding God can do anything, so in trust Abraham set out to do it.
So what did God do, after seeing Abraham trusted God over everything here on earth? Can you or anyone here do the same? I mean that is the covenant that is still in place to this very day is it not?
Jesus from the tribe of Judah, in the order of Melchisadek right? the everlasting Covenant yes or no?
The problem today is the same as the day of the fall:
Galatians 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
God is righteous and the only one good to this very day, and that did happen per scripture, and they believed God to say that and did it. Okay, one day when actually home we will know and hear the truth in it all.
I mean God told Abraham to kill his own son and Abraham willing to do so, understanding God can do anything, so in trust Abraham set out to do it.
So what did God do, after seeing Abraham trusted God over everything here on earth? Can you or anyone here do the same? I mean that is the covenant that is still in place to this very day is it not?
Jesus from the tribe of Judah, in the order of Melchisadek right? the everlasting Covenant yes or no?
The problem today is the same as the day of the fall:
Galatians 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
1Sa 15:2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
1Sa 15:3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
1Sa 15:3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
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Worded this way by God in order to test the reader's heart on whether or not they would actually believe that He would make such a command, just because they read it, and also for appreciative artistic purpose.
Probably, this "rape" is an assumption to the "taking of virgins" from a "destroyed city"
Again, worded this way for appreciative artistic purposes and to test every reader's heart on whether they think God would command such things, and to test their perception of Him.
God, if you believe He is good and righteous, will never ask you to literally kill, kidnap, or rape another human being, and He is not wicked to somehow "justify" it by indicating that the people are wicked and deserved it, but that He somehow escapes the definition of evil "just because He's the boss"
There is a very important condition of the heart that must be tested.
The only way to clear His name is to concede that these words are poetic for purpose of conveying intensity, or to claim that they are fabricated in His name. And if they are fabricated, throw them out, along with their discussion.
It's not what most want to hear, because they do not want to admit that God intentionally conceals things in His word (though He clearly states that He does)
They do not want to admit it because they cannot see the hidden things.
They cannot see the hidden things because they do not clear His name and manifest love.
It has little to do with having "accepted Jesus" in the way that religion teaches us to accept Him.
It is a filter, and there's no need to feel "left out" for not understanding it. All you have to do is keep the law because it's the right thing to do in your heart, instead of keeping it out of a fear of punishment.
And if you keep the law for the right reasons, you don't even need to understand scripture, unless God calls you to.
A hard thing to swallow, God keeps secrets.
And in some of those secrets, commands the knower not to tell. Because it robs the other person of the experience of having something revealed to them personally by Him.
That's why there's even a concept of "concealment" and "revelation"
If you knew all the answers up front, you would follow them blindly out of ignorance.
If you have them taught based on the condition of your heart, you can actually know that God is revealing things to you, and why.
These war stories are artistic depictions of how a people who were chosen based on the condition of their heart, made spiritual war against sin, and the violence is used to explain the intensity of the war.
It is a war of teaching brotherly love. You "kill" the old man and he is born again as a new person who doesn't want to cause heartbreak to others.
If there is no concession of the rampant use of metaphor in scripture, then you must find yourself worshiping two gods. One that loves, and one that is a dastardly murderous abomination, yet trying to combine them.
There really was a flood. (Noah wasn't told to kill everyone)
Abraham really raised the knife. (Because he already knew that God could not break His previous promise of seed from Isaac by allowing his death.)
Israelites did not really commit literal genocide. They committed spiritual genocide against sin.
Artistic interpretation based on the condition of the heart will immediately eliminate almost all of the "contradictions" in scripture and God's character.
If you cling to the dream of seeing people that wronged you or offend your idea of God, punished beyond corrective necessity, then you have a change of heart coming with an ironic re-visitation of that sin.
You don't need to understand it all, but you do need to know how it works, if you want to claim like John did that in God, there is no darkness at all. And that means two things. No wickedness in Him, and if you are in Him, nothing concealed.
Probably, this "rape" is an assumption to the "taking of virgins" from a "destroyed city"
Again, worded this way for appreciative artistic purposes and to test every reader's heart on whether they think God would command such things, and to test their perception of Him.
God, if you believe He is good and righteous, will never ask you to literally kill, kidnap, or rape another human being, and He is not wicked to somehow "justify" it by indicating that the people are wicked and deserved it, but that He somehow escapes the definition of evil "just because He's the boss"
There is a very important condition of the heart that must be tested.
The only way to clear His name is to concede that these words are poetic for purpose of conveying intensity, or to claim that they are fabricated in His name. And if they are fabricated, throw them out, along with their discussion.
It's not what most want to hear, because they do not want to admit that God intentionally conceals things in His word (though He clearly states that He does)
They do not want to admit it because they cannot see the hidden things.
They cannot see the hidden things because they do not clear His name and manifest love.
It has little to do with having "accepted Jesus" in the way that religion teaches us to accept Him.
It is a filter, and there's no need to feel "left out" for not understanding it. All you have to do is keep the law because it's the right thing to do in your heart, instead of keeping it out of a fear of punishment.
And if you keep the law for the right reasons, you don't even need to understand scripture, unless God calls you to.
A hard thing to swallow, God keeps secrets.
And in some of those secrets, commands the knower not to tell. Because it robs the other person of the experience of having something revealed to them personally by Him.
That's why there's even a concept of "concealment" and "revelation"
If you knew all the answers up front, you would follow them blindly out of ignorance.
If you have them taught based on the condition of your heart, you can actually know that God is revealing things to you, and why.
These war stories are artistic depictions of how a people who were chosen based on the condition of their heart, made spiritual war against sin, and the violence is used to explain the intensity of the war.
It is a war of teaching brotherly love. You "kill" the old man and he is born again as a new person who doesn't want to cause heartbreak to others.
If there is no concession of the rampant use of metaphor in scripture, then you must find yourself worshiping two gods. One that loves, and one that is a dastardly murderous abomination, yet trying to combine them.
There really was a flood. (Noah wasn't told to kill everyone)
Abraham really raised the knife. (Because he already knew that God could not break His previous promise of seed from Isaac by allowing his death.)
Israelites did not really commit literal genocide. They committed spiritual genocide against sin.
Artistic interpretation based on the condition of the heart will immediately eliminate almost all of the "contradictions" in scripture and God's character.
If you cling to the dream of seeing people that wronged you or offend your idea of God, punished beyond corrective necessity, then you have a change of heart coming with an ironic re-visitation of that sin.
You don't need to understand it all, but you do need to know how it works, if you want to claim like John did that in God, there is no darkness at all. And that means two things. No wickedness in Him, and if you are in Him, nothing concealed.