What is the different between original sin and daily sin.

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Elin

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Here is a good lecture on Original Sin. It is not quite as long as the video I made which I linked in an earlier post but is very well focused. The earlier linked video (Augustine and Original Sin) is fully annotated so that anyone watching can duplicate the research and therefore read the source documents for themselves.
Lots o' dodgin'. . .you still don't give the meaning of Ro 5:18.
 
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Moreover, your little ones who you said would become a prey, and your sons, who this day have no knowledge of good or evil, shall enter there, and I will give it to them and they shall possess it. (Deuteronomy 1:39)
 
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What's the big deal with Ro.5:18?
It is a good verse actually and I did address it earlier.

These personal responsibility deniers often use Rom 5:18 as a proof text that Adam's sin automatically condemned everyone born after him.

Rom 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

If that is the case then why wasn't Jesus condemned? Jesus was a descendent of Adam? Some Traducianists will teach that sin is actually present in the male sperm and that Jesus bypassed sin that way. Pretty incredible stuff. John MacArthur teaches that.

Also note that these folks will use the first part of Rom 5:18 as proof that all people are condemned automatically yet won't apply that same logic to the second part of the verse and preach universal salvation.

These people are Bible butchers. They snip a little proof text here and then expound a lot theology on top of it. It is very crafty how the snip and connect isolate portions and they only fool those who don't really examine these things for themselves.
 
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kennethcadwell

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Fully expect this to be ignored.
Yes I know, but at least I try to show babies are innocent according to the bible do to as an infant they have no knowledge of good and evil. Yes they still face a physical fleshly death, but are not condemned to a spiritual ( second ) death.
 
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It is a good verse actually and I did address it earlier.

These personal responsibility deniers often use Rom 5:18 as a proof text that Adam's sin automatically condemned everyone born after him.

Rom 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

If that is the case then why wasn't Jesus condemned? Jesus was a descendent of Adam? Some Traducianists will teach that sin is actually present in the male sperm and that Jesus bypassed sin that way. Pretty incredible stuff. John MacArthur teaches that.

Also note that these folks will use the first part of Rom 5:18 as proof that all people are condemned automatically yet won't apply that same logic to the second part of the verse and preach universal salvation.

These people are Bible butchers. They snip a little proof text here and then expound a lot theology on top of it. It is very crafty how the snip and connect isolate portions and they only fool those who don't really examine these things for themselves.
Well, I guess that does it...everyone can stop leading people to Christ because His righteousness is upon all humans just like Adams sin!!!
 

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Thank every body for answering my question.

Jesus forgive original sin in the cross, as soon as we accept Him. But for daily sin, we have to repent and stop doing it, then God forgive us.

For daily sin, it look like scary for me, I still doing sin every day, and lot of them are repeatable sin, Can anybody give insight how to deal with it?
In prayer tell Him what keeping you away from Loving Him, with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind', in Jesus name pray to Him. He will help you.

Hebrews 2:18 Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.

God bless
 
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Original Sin is a false doctrine which deceives millions of people.

Original Sin maligns the character of God by teaching that God condemns people for not doing what they cannot do. As an example, it is taught that little babies are "born condemned."

So we have a holy and righteous God that declares little children guilty and deserving of eternal ruin just because they were born. If you uphold Original Sin then that is what you must believe.

Original Sin is also equated with inability. This means that the ultimate cause of sin is a "birth condition" and not the exercise of free moral agency. Due to this no-one can truly be held accountable for their sin nor can they compelled to stop sinning because there would be no ability to do so. Thus Original Sin is the ultimate doctrine in logically asserting irresponsibility,ie. "We can't so we don't have to."

So God not only condemns people simply because they are born, He also condemns people for not doing that which they are simply unable to do. Is it any wonder that the thoughtful agnostic scoffs at the hypocrisy of Christian morality?


Original Sin needs to be utterly rejected and exposed for being the satanic teaching it really is.

[video=youtube;KVQ1t5i058Q]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVQ1t5i058Q[/video]
What an eye opener. Thank you for posting, the video explains a lot. I wondered why so many who call themselves "Christian" was so hostile to God's commands. Wow, that's messed up thinking.
 

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jdbear said:
What's the big deal with Ro.5:18?
It is a good verse actually and I did address it earlier.
NOT!

These personal responsibility deniers often use Rom 5:18 as a proof text that Adam's sin automatically condemned everyone born after him.

Rom 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one, judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

If that is the case then why wasn't Jesus condemned? Jesus was a descendent of Adam?
The word of God plainly states there that all men are condemned because of the sin of Adam.

Your idea of addressing a Scripture you do not believe is to use your foolish human reasoning against it.

Your unbelief blinds you to the fact that your foolish human reasoning has no authority over the word of God.

Until you give an explanation of the verse that is consistent with the wording of the verse itself,
you haven't Biblically addressed anything,

and that includes Lk 11:48-51; Ro 3:10, 4:5, 8:7-8; Eph 2:3, in addition to Ro 5:18.

All you've ever done is present your foolish human reasoning against them.

You've made no Biblical explanation of their meaning which does not do violence to the verse.
 
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Elin

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Well, I guess that does it...everyone can stop leading people to Christ because His righteousness is upon all humans just like Adams sin!!!
His righteousness is upon no one until they believe in Jesus Christ.

And for that, they need to hear the word of God.
 

Elin

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Lots o' dodgin'. . .you still don't give the meaning of Ro 5:18, Skinski.
What's the big deal with Ro.5:18?
Ro 5:18 states that all mankind is condemned by the sin of Adam.

Theologians call it "original sin."
 
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NOT!


The word of God plainly states there that all men are condemned because of the sin of Adam.

Your idea of addressing a Scripture you do not believe is to use your foolish human reasoning against it.

Your unbelief blinds you to the fact that your foolish human reasoning has no authority over the word of God.

Until you give an explanation of the verse that is consistent with the wording of the verse itself,
you haven't Biblically addressed anything.
You continually operate within a bubble with your focus on what you cherry pick at the exclusion of everything else.

Rom 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

You'll twist the first part of the verse as teaching "universal condemnation" and yet ignore the second part as teaching "universal salvation."

If the first part is teaching universal condemnation to "all men" then the second part is teaching universal justification to "all men."

Even though I raised that point previously, and many others, you just blow right through it as if they don't exist and just focus on what suits you.

You are a Bible Butcher and this latest effort of yours just reinforces the fact.

Judgment came upon all men to condemnation by the offense of one because all men have followed in that one's example just as it says "all have sinned" in Romans 5:12.

God is just in condemning sinners because those sinners CHOSE to rebel when they did not have to. Your doctrine of putting infants under automatic condemnation portrays God as evil.

God is just, God is not evil. That you cannot perceive the evil of condemning an infant to destruction for merely being born clearly shows you are spiritually blind. That you cannot perceive the evil of condemning any individual to destruction because they did not do what they could not do equally demonstrates your blindness.

Your implication that human beings are not responsible for their sin is disgusting. It is no wonder you cannot address the subject of heart purity as it relates to salvation because your theology is opposed to heart purity.
 

Elin

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Yes I know, but at least I try to show babies are innocent according to the bible do to as an infant they have no knowledge of good and evil. Yes they still face a physical fleshly death, but are not condemned to a spiritual ( second ) death.
But death is the wages of sin (Ro 6:23).

Where there is no guilt of sin, there is no death (Ro 5:12-21).

But infants do die.
 
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But death is the wages of sin (Ro 6:23; 5:12-21).
Spiritual death is the wages of sin, physical death is a result of being denied access to the Tree of Life.


Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Gen 3:23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

That verse is one you ignore. If Adam would have had access to the Tree of Life he would not have physically died yet would have remained spiritually dead.

Babies don't die because they are sinners, babies die because they are mortal.

Even Jesus Christ would have died if He was not murdered because Jesus Christ was in a mortal body.
 

Elin

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You continually operate within a bubble with your focus on what you cherry pick at the exclusion of everything else.

Rom 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

You'll twist the first part of the verse as teaching "universal condemnation" and yet
ignore the second part as teaching "universal salvation."
That does not Biblically address the verse.

And yes, just as condemnation by the sin of Adam is universal,
so the righteousness of Jesus Christ by grace through faith in him is also a universal offer.

The remedy is tailored to the malady.

What more do you think you have a right to?
 
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Elin

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Spiritual death is the wages of sin,
physical death is a result of being denied access to the Tree of Life.
That's an "interesting" tweak.

Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and
take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
And you know this does not refer to eternal life in his spirit, how?

Gen 3:23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

That verse is one you ignore. If Adam would have had access to the Tree of Life he would not have physically died yet would have remained spiritually dead.

Babies don't die because they are sinners, babies die because they are mortal.
So Adam was created mortal?

Don't think so.

When you address the unfinishied business already on the table,
we can take up this unfinished business.
 
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His righteousness is upon no one until they believe in Jesus Christ.

And for that, they need to hear the word of God.
I see. People need to be made aware of Christ for salvation, but unaware of Adams sin for condemnation. What perfect nonsense.
 
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Enoch walked faithfully with God; then he was no more, because God took him away...and Enoch was from Adam.

By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death: "He could not be found, because God had taken him away." For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God.

Original sin? What original sin?
 

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Moreover, your little ones who you said would become a prey, and your sons, who this day have no knowledge of good or evil, shall enter there, and I will give it to them and they shall possess it. (Deuteronomy 1:39)
26 But you would not go up, but rebelled against the command of the LORD your God.

27 And you murmured in your tents and said, Because the LORD hates us, He has brought us forth out of the land of Egypt to deliver us into the hand of the Amorites, to destroy us.

28 Where [shall] we go up? Our brothers have broken our heart, saying, We have seen there a people greater and taller than we [are]. The cities are great and walled up to the heavens, also the sons of the giants.

29 Then I said to you, Do not dread them nor be afraid of them.

30 The LORD your God who goes before you shall fight for you, according to all that He did for you in Egypt before your eyes,

31 and in the wilderness where you have seen how the LORD your God carried you, as a man carries his son, in all the way that you went until you came into this place.

32 Yet in this thing you did not believe the LORD your God,

33 who went in the way before you to search you out a place to pitch your tents, in fire by night, to show you by what way you should go, and in a cloud by day.

34 And the LORD heard the voice of your words, and was angry and swore, saying,

35 Surely there shall not one of these men of this evil generation see that good land, which I swore to give to your fathers,

36 except Caleb the son of Jephunneh; he shall see it, and to him I will give the land that he has trodden upon, and to his sons, because he has fully followed the LORD.

37 Also the LORD was angry with me for your sakes, saying, You also shall not go in there.

38 Joshua the son of Nun, who stands before you, he shall go in there. Make him strong, for he shall cause Israel to inherit it.

39 And your little ones, who you said would be a prey, and your sons who in that day had no knowledge between good and evil, they shall go in there. And I will give it to them, and they shall possess it.