Your problem is not with me but it is with what Scriptures says. For you are looking at the world as your confirmation (Which is a walk by sight and not by faith). I say this because Noah was a preacher of righteousness and he and his family were the only ones who were spared (Because they obeyed God). Noah had found grace in the eyes of the LORD. Yet, the rest of the world was sinful because their thoughts were evil continually. So if you lived back then, and you looked at the world, you would be making the same kind of wrong judgment that is not by faith in God's Word.
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No; Either you're being difficult on purpose, you missed the point again, or you honestly do not understand:
Humans, by nature, have eyesight - yet not all can see as well as others.
Humans, by nature, have the ability to hear - yet not all can hear so well.
Humans, by nature, can feel - although not all can feel as well as others.
Humans, by nature, can smell scents - although some not as strongly as others.
Humans, by nature, can taste - but not all can taste as much as others.
Humans, by nature, sin - but not all sin as much as others, or struggle with the same sins.
This is what was meant by the breathing example - If I rip out your lungs, you will die. This is a fact. Your lungs are as much a part of you as Sin. However, unlike your lungs, YOU cannot do anything to completely eliminate Sin within you. Only God through Jesus can do this - and it is written - this will occur only after we reach the God's Kingdom.
As long as you exist, in this flesh, you will sin.
You are blatantly accusing those who disagree with your view of: not keeping God's Commandments. Are you a Jew? Are you a Pharisee? Did we time-warp to the year 30 B.C.? Have you heard about Jesus?
This is not a card game. Some consider card games to be sinful--do you?
People have been interpreting the Bible for quite a long time now. I find your language toward me and other members of this forum to be offensive; you speak as if you know that which cannot possibly be known, with 100% certainty. You assume, that which you do not know - both about people here, and the scriptures.
- Wrong half? I did not know there could be a "wrong half" to a verse. Shall I apologize, for not focusing on the point you wish to make?
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"The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak" - I say this is evidence that sin is a struggle, as long as we are a part of this flesh. You say I'm focusing on the "wrong half" -- Yes, this is a reminder to pray to avoid temptation - but it is also a reminder that we, by nature, are sinners.
-- No deal; The video you provide is 20 minutes long and does not provide a transcript. The article I provided is a short article that should take an average reader less than one minute to read, and pretty much sums up exactly how myself (and most Christians) believe on this topic. Furthermore, video streaming uses considerably more resources than a simple text document - Do you realize how much of our natural resources are lost due to video streaming? It's a sinful shame - how humans are destroying this planet.
When you were growing up, did your parent(s) ever tell you: DON'T EVER DO THAT AGAIN! I'm sure I heard it before, and I'm sure that there were some temptations that took a long time to overcome.
- Here's the main issue I take up with you, Jason: Perhaps you do not intend this, but it sounds like, if one does not agree with you about this notion of "sinless perfection" then you automatically assume that the individual is a "habitual unrepentant sinner" who haughtily walks around with this "license to sin" - this is not the case, man - We simply understand that humans, by nature, are flawed - sinful - make mistakes - and we need forgiveness, we recognize that we need to repent when we realize that we have sinned.
Have you considered the notion that you might sin, without realizing it?
- Why is this your position? It seems to me, that your position should be to seek understanding. The Roman Catholic Church and a majority of the Protestant Churches that I am familiar with teach as I have explained to you. Are you saying that the vast majority of Christians have a misunderstanding of what God teaches about Sin? That this misunderstanding has been occurring for centuries? Seems ridiculous to me. Not impossible, just ridiculous. If you believe so strongly, why not apologize to the Pope? The flipside of this is - if this whole idea was true - why does the Church teach contrary?
I do not understand why your understanding of our point of view is so extreme. Struggling with sin, your entire life, is not being a slave to it. Being a slave to it, would be giving up - never repenting, never recognising your sins. One who lives in Christ, in time, recognises their sins - repents and is forgiven. One who lives in Christ also strives to cease their sinning, though this is an impossible task - for a human.
- I will not live on this Earth forever, neither will you. When we are joined with God, then we can be 100% free from sin - before then, most likely not - and I really do not understand why you seem to think that those who believe this are incorrect, slaves to sin, not keeping God's commandments, etc. We're not making excuses, we're acknowledging our major flaw.
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Also consider: It should not be your position to change anyone's mind on what the Holy Spirit communicates to that individual. If you believe a Brother or Sister is misinformed, it's okay to confront them with a genuine compassion - but if they disagree, you're supposed to take someone else with you to confront them a second time - and if they still disagree, then part ways and leave it to God.
Matthew 18 is on my mind.
15 “If your brother or sister[b] sins,[c] go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over. 16 But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’[d] 17 If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.
18 “Truly I tell you, whatever you bind on earth will be[e] bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be[f] loosed in heaven.
19 “Again, truly I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything they ask for, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. 20 For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.”
Matthew 18 is on my mind.
15 “If your brother or sister[b] sins,[c] go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over. 16 But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’[d] 17 If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.
18 “Truly I tell you, whatever you bind on earth will be[e] bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be[f] loosed in heaven.
19 “Again, truly I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything they ask for, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. 20 For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.”
