What is the Gospel?

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I never said paul did not preach the gospel. Every person on this forum I think agrees that paul preached the gospel.
My main question I THINK is what gospel did he preach. that is the crusck of the matter. If we can confirm what he preached and agree on it. Then I think we have made a major way forward. One gospel, One Hope , One Faith, One Spirit, One Jesus.
Acts 28:30-31 New Living Translation (NLT)
30 For the next two years, Paul lived in Rome at his own expense.[a] He welcomed all who visited him, 31 boldly proclaiming the Kingdom of God and teaching about the Lord Jesus Christ. And no one tried to stop him.

Matthew 9:35 New Living Translation (NLT)
The Need for Workers
35 Jesus traveled through all the towns and villages of that area, teaching in the synagogues and announcing the Good News about the Kingdom. And he healed every kind of disease and illness.


The above scriptures proves the paul preached the same gospel the jesus taught/preached.
 
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Yes, these are various aspects of salvation. But the GOOD NEWS (the Gospel) is that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and rose again for our justification according to the Scriptures.
that is correct.
 
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That is quite obvious.
Not everything is obvious to all. I have met many although they have eyes to see they actually have a hard time seeing. I have also met those are adults in body may not be mature in all aspects. I also have a family member who speaks 7 languages...she looks at things from a different perspective.
 
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Not everything is obvious to all. I have met many although they have eyes to see they actually have a hard time seeing. I have also met those are adults in body may not be mature in all aspects. I also have a family member who speaks 7 languages...she looks at things from a different perspective.
Looking at things from a different perspective is healthy. And I think good wants us to do that. " God's manifold wisdom"
 

SaintMichaels

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Well if you want an opinion from a mere woman,
I would say the gospel, the good news, can be found in the entire
bible from start to finish. It’s God’s story (His story) of God’s redemptive
plan to reconcile mankind to Himself.

Although narrow is the way that leads to the kingdom of God and broad is
the way that leads to destruction.

While we were sinners Christ died for us.
Every woman here teaches the Gospel when they bring forth the scriptures in any thread. ;) Imagine that!:cool:
 
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7seasrekeyed

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I never said paul did not preach the gospel. Every person on this forum I think agrees that paul preached the gospel.
My main question I THINK is what gospel did he preach. that is the crusck of the matter. If we can confirm what he preached and agree on it. Then I think we have made a major way forward. One gospel, One Hope , One Faith, One Spirit, One Jesus.

maybe take a look at your op, see that you basically changed the op just a couple of posts down and now you say that your main question is actually what Paul preached?

I don't have doubt about who preached what

my contention has been your take on what you say regarding your response to those who stated that salvation is the gospel while you stated it is the kingdom of God

there is an order in how Jesus said what He did and Paul preaches the gospel of Jesus. as the Apostles who actually walked the earth with Jesus during His ministry CONFIRMED Paul's teachings, I don't imagine you or anyone are in a place to say otherwise

really, I have tried to be clear
 
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The gospel, the good news:

32“And we preach to you the good news of the promise made to the fathers, 33that God has fulfilled this promise to our children in that He raised up Jesus

...that through Him forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you, 39and through Him everyone who believes is freed from all things, from which you could not be freed through the Law of Moses.


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The gospel according to Jesus Christ is that men can be made right with God and have eternal life and that Jesus Himself IS that eternal life.
Correct.

"we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life."-1 John 5:20


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maybe take a look at your op, see that you basically changed the op just a couple of posts down and now you say that your main question is actually what Paul preached?

I don't have doubt about who preached what

my contention has been your take on what you say regarding your response to those who stated that salvation is the gospel while you stated it is the kingdom of God

there is an order in how Jesus said what He did and Paul preaches the gospel of Jesus. as the Apostles who actually walked the earth with Jesus during His ministry CONFIRMED Paul's teachings, I don't imagine you or anyone are in a place to say otherwise

really, I have tried to be clear

Yes i do believe that the good news of the kingdom saves you.

Luke 8:12-56 New Living Translation (NLT)
12 The seeds that fell on the footpath represent those who hear the message/gospel of the kingdom, only to have the devil come and take it away from their hearts and prevent them from believing and being saved.

To him who has ears to hear let him hear
 
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The Gospel accounts are very clear about the focus of Christ’s message. Yet the gospel of the Kingdom of God is nearly absent from Christianity today.
By Erik Jones
The myriad of churches that make up Christianity profess that their religion is based on Jesus Christ. Nearly all claim Him as their founder and say that their teachings are based on what He said and did 2,000 years ago. But, sadly, there are many doctrines where mainstream Christianity ignores or actually rejects the teachings of Jesus Christ.
This month’s column makes a bold assertion: Mainstream Christianity does not teach the same message that Jesus Christ brought when He walked the earth 2,000 years ago.
Jesus had a central message that formed the basis for His entire ministry and teachings.
He pinpointed this central message in the heart of His most famous sermon—the Sermon on the Mount. He made a statement about what should be the highest priority for His followers: “But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you” (Matthew 6:33, emphasis added).



Jesus Christ’s words are clear—the Kingdom of God is to be the No. 1 focus and emphasis in the lives of His followers. In fact, it was the core of His gospel message.
Christ’s gospel was not just about Himself
Gospel is a common word in the Christian world. Some think of it in connection with a genre of religious music, but most understand that it describes a message. It literally means a message of good news. Most churches include the word gospel in their mission statements. Typically, the gospel is described as the gospel of Jesus Christ, and it is seen as the message of His life, death and resurrection. (You can see this by doing a Google search of the mission statements of different denominations of Christianity.)
But was this the central message that Jesus actually taught? Was His message only about Himself?
A study of the Gospel accounts of Christ’s life pinpoints exactly what His message—His gospel—was all about!
Notice Mark 1:14: “Now after John was put in prison, Jesus came to Galilee preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God.” That statement is pretty plain—Jesus preached the gospel about the Kingdom of God!
There are many scriptures that reinforce this fact. For example, Matthew 9:35 says, “Then Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, preaching the gospel of the kingdom.”
At one point in His ministry, Jesus was about to leave an area where He had been preaching for some time. The people of that area tried to persuade Him not to go (Luke 4:42). Jesus’ response was, “I must preach the kingdom of God to the other cities also, because for this purpose I have been sent” (verse 43).
Let that sink in.
Jesus Christ said that one of His primary purposes for coming to earth was to preach about the Kingdom of God! That was His gospel. That was His message. That was His purpose. That is what drove Him.
When we understand that the thrust of Christ’s message centered on the Kingdom of God, we understand better why He made the statement in Matthew 6:33: “Seek first the kingdom of God.” He tells us to seek first the Kingdom because the Kingdom of God was His primary message.
This message is about the literal establishment of the Kingdom of God on earth at the second coming of Jesus Christ. See our infographic on page 29 to learn more details about what the Kingdom of God is.
But where is that message in mainstream Christianity today?



Jesus Christ’s words are clear—the Kingdom of God is to be the No. 1 focus and emphasis in the lives of His followers. In fact, it was the core of His gospel message.
Christianity lost Christ’s message
After Christ was resurrected and ascended to heaven, He founded a Church. The purpose of that Church—that called-out group of people—was to carry on the work He did while on earth. Christ commissioned His Church to go into the entire world and preach the same message that He preached while He was on earth (Matthew 24:14; 28:19-20; Mark 16:15; Acts 1:3-8).
The Bible shows that the early Church faithfully followed Christ’s directive and preached the gospel of the Kingdom of God (Acts 8:12; 14:22; 19:8; 20:25; 28:23, 31). The members of the early Church also put their focus on the coming Kingdom (Colossians 4:11; 2 Thessalonians 1:5).
But as the first century progressed, the intense focus on the Kingdom began to wane as false beliefs began to creep into Christianity. The apostle Paul wrote that he perceived Christians in his time were “turning away” from the true gospel to “a different gospel” (Galatians 1:6). In what was likely his final letter, Paul gave multiple warnings about his fear that people were abandoning true doctrines and being led astray into false teachings (2 Timothy 2:14-18; 3:13-14; 4:1-3, 14-15). Other apostles wrote similar warnings (2 Peter 2:1; 2 John 1:7; Jude 1:4).
The understanding of the true gospel and the focus on the Kingdom of God were minimized and lost over the centuries after the end of the New Testament era.
A key factor in this was Emperor Constantine’s acceptance of a popular form of Christianity and its subsequent adoption as the official religion of the Roman Empire.
Historian Justo Gonzalez writes: “Since the time of Constantine, and due in part to the work of Eusebius and of many others of similar theological orientation, there was a tendency to set aside or to postpone the hope of the early church, that its Lord would return in the clouds to establish a Kingdom of peace and justice. … Eusebius, although more articulate than most, was simply expressing the common feeling among Christians, for whom the advent of Constantine and of the peace he brought about was the final triumph of Christianity over its enemies” (The Story of Christianity, Vol. 1, pp. 134-135).
This idea was also promoted by the theologian Augustine of Hippo in his highly influential book The City of God: “Therefore the Church even now is the kingdom of Christ, and the kingdom of heaven” (Book XX, Chapter 9).
This belief became known as amillenialism and is a dominant belief (in different forms) in mainstream Christianity today.
After the true biblical teaching of the Kingdom of God was removed, the gospel message was changed from the message about the Kingdom to a message primarily about Jesus Christ. In other words, Christianity kept the name of Jesus Christ, but abandoned His message.
Jesus was very clear that professing His name but ignoring His teachings is false worship (Luke 6:46).
Preaching the true gospel today
The true gospel is not a minor issue. As we have already read, Jesus connected a belief in the true gospel to repentance (Mark 1:15), and the apostle Paul warned that preaching a different gospel brings a curse (Galatians 1:8-9). Believing the true gospel is vital to your salvation!
The true gospel is the message of good news about the coming Kingdom of God. It is a message of hope—for this entire world and for you and your family. It is the message that God is building a family that will soon rule the entire earth, bringing peace and happiness.
The established Christian churches have lost that true gospel message. Discernmagazine and the Life, Hope & Truth website exist to continue the proclamation of the true gospel. Even though we are a minority voice in the world of religion, we are dedicated to teaching the same message that Jesus Christ taught. We are a small voice crying out amid a global landscape of religious confusion.
Keep reading and discerning.
 

socalpoppy

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I'm very tired of this process. I was asked by my husband to do some research on Tim Spiess because a church member had been listening to his teachings and wanted to be sure that it was sound doctrine because he focuses on Jesus' words, but throws out the rest of the New Testament. That is why I knew what answer you were looking for when you asked about "the gospel of Jesus". Now, there is great, great good in studying the Words of Jesus, but we must not believe that His message ended at his death or that revelation about the process of salvation is understood by His words alone. Even Peter in his first sermon did not focus solely on the kingdom but also spoke of salvation, the resurrection, freedom from death, the forgiveness of sin, and the promise of the Holy Spirit. Acts 2
 
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Acts 28:30-31 New Living Translation (NLT)
30 For the next two years, Paul lived in Rome at his own expense.[a] He welcomed all who visited him, 31 boldly proclaiming the Kingdom of God and teaching about the Lord Jesus Christ. And no one tried to stop him.

Matthew 9:35 New Living Translation (NLT)
The Need for Workers
35 Jesus traveled through all the towns and villages of that area, teaching in the synagogues and announcing the Good News about the Kingdom. And he healed every kind of disease and illness.


The above scriptures proves the paul preached the same gospel the jesus taught/preached.

oh my lands dude

if you now say that they are the same, then good cause that is not what you stated previously

sigh.................
The Gospel accounts are very clear about the focus of Christ’s message. Yet the gospel of the Kingdom of God is nearly absent from Christianity today.
By Erik Jones
The myriad of churches that make up Christianity profess that their religion is based on Jesus Christ. Nearly all claim Him as their founder and say that their teachings are based on what He said and did 2,000 years ago. But, sadly, there are many doctrines where mainstream Christianity ignores or actually rejects the teachings of Jesus Christ.
This month’s column makes a bold assertion: Mainstream Christianity does not teach the same message that Jesus Christ brought when He walked the earth 2,000 years ago.
Jesus had a central message that formed the basis for His entire ministry and teachings.
He pinpointed this central message in the heart of His most famous sermon—the Sermon on the Mount. He made a statement about what should be the highest priority for His followers: “But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you” (Matthew 6:33, emphasis added).



Jesus Christ’s words are clear—the Kingdom of God is to be the No. 1 focus and emphasis in the lives of His followers. In fact, it was the core of His gospel message.
Christ’s gospel was not just about Himself
Gospel is a common word in the Christian world. Some think of it in connection with a genre of religious music, but most understand that it describes a message. It literally means a message of good news. Most churches include the word gospel in their mission statements. Typically, the gospel is described as the gospel of Jesus Christ, and it is seen as the message of His life, death and resurrection. (You can see this by doing a Google search of the mission statements of different denominations of Christianity.)
But was this the central message that Jesus actually taught? Was His message only about Himself?
A study of the Gospel accounts of Christ’s life pinpoints exactly what His message—His gospel—was all about!
Notice Mark 1:14: “Now after John was put in prison, Jesus came to Galilee preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God.” That statement is pretty plain—Jesus preached the gospel about the Kingdom of God!
There are many scriptures that reinforce this fact. For example, Matthew 9:35 says, “Then Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, preaching the gospel of the kingdom.”
At one point in His ministry, Jesus was about to leave an area where He had been preaching for some time. The people of that area tried to persuade Him not to go (Luke 4:42). Jesus’ response was, “I must preach the kingdom of God to the other cities also, because for this purpose I have been sent” (verse 43).
Let that sink in.
Jesus Christ said that one of His primary purposes for coming to earth was to preach about the Kingdom of God! That was His gospel. That was His message. That was His purpose. That is what drove Him.
When we understand that the thrust of Christ’s message centered on the Kingdom of God, we understand better why He made the statement in Matthew 6:33: “Seek first the kingdom of God.” He tells us to seek first the Kingdom because the Kingdom of God was His primary message.
This message is about the literal establishment of the Kingdom of God on earth at the second coming of Jesus Christ. See our infographic on page 29 to learn more details about what the Kingdom of God is.
But where is that message in mainstream Christianity today?



Jesus Christ’s words are clear—the Kingdom of God is to be the No. 1 focus and emphasis in the lives of His followers. In fact, it was the core of His gospel message.
Christianity lost Christ’s message
After Christ was resurrected and ascended to heaven, He founded a Church. The purpose of that Church—that called-out group of people—was to carry on the work He did while on earth. Christ commissioned His Church to go into the entire world and preach the same message that He preached while He was on earth (Matthew 24:14; 28:19-20; Mark 16:15; Acts 1:3-8).
The Bible shows that the early Church faithfully followed Christ’s directive and preached the gospel of the Kingdom of God (Acts 8:12; 14:22; 19:8; 20:25; 28:23, 31). The members of the early Church also put their focus on the coming Kingdom (Colossians 4:11; 2 Thessalonians 1:5).
But as the first century progressed, the intense focus on the Kingdom began to wane as false beliefs began to creep into Christianity. The apostle Paul wrote that he perceived Christians in his time were “turning away” from the true gospel to “a different gospel” (Galatians 1:6). In what was likely his final letter, Paul gave multiple warnings about his fear that people were abandoning true doctrines and being led astray into false teachings (2 Timothy 2:14-18; 3:13-14; 4:1-3, 14-15). Other apostles wrote similar warnings (2 Peter 2:1; 2 John 1:7; Jude 1:4).
The understanding of the true gospel and the focus on the Kingdom of God were minimized and lost over the centuries after the end of the New Testament era.
A key factor in this was Emperor Constantine’s acceptance of a popular form of Christianity and its subsequent adoption as the official religion of the Roman Empire.
Historian Justo Gonzalez writes: “Since the time of Constantine, and due in part to the work of Eusebius and of many others of similar theological orientation, there was a tendency to set aside or to postpone the hope of the early church, that its Lord would return in the clouds to establish a Kingdom of peace and justice. … Eusebius, although more articulate than most, was simply expressing the common feeling among Christians, for whom the advent of Constantine and of the peace he brought about was the final triumph of Christianity over its enemies” (The Story of Christianity, Vol. 1, pp. 134-135).
This idea was also promoted by the theologian Augustine of Hippo in his highly influential book The City of God: “Therefore the Church even now is the kingdom of Christ, and the kingdom of heaven” (Book XX, Chapter 9).
This belief became known as amillenialism and is a dominant belief (in different forms) in mainstream Christianity today.
After the true biblical teaching of the Kingdom of God was removed, the gospel message was changed from the message about the Kingdom to a message primarily about Jesus Christ. In other words, Christianity kept the name of Jesus Christ, but abandoned His message.
Jesus was very clear that professing His name but ignoring His teachings is false worship (Luke 6:46).
Preaching the true gospel today
The true gospel is not a minor issue. As we have already read, Jesus connected a belief in the true gospel to repentance (Mark 1:15), and the apostle Paul warned that preaching a different gospel brings a curse (Galatians 1:8-9). Believing the true gospel is vital to your salvation!
The true gospel is the message of good news about the coming Kingdom of God. It is a message of hope—for this entire world and for you and your family. It is the message that God is building a family that will soon rule the entire earth, bringing peace and happiness.
The established Christian churches have lost that true gospel message. Discernmagazine and the Life, Hope & Truth website exist to continue the proclamation of the true gospel. Even though we are a minority voice in the world of religion, we are dedicated to teaching the same message that Jesus Christ taught. We are a small voice crying out amid a global landscape of religious confusion.
Keep reading and discerning.

you need to credit the source for this post

when someone copy/pastes from a source, that source must be revealed...not my rules...but a common practice

this is obviously where you are getting your teaching from or at least one source so folks would like to know what it is you are posting about as you keep changing your mind
 
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oh my lands dude

if you now say that they are the same, then good cause that is not what you stated previously

sigh.................



you need to credit the source for this post

when someone copy/pastes from a source, that source must be revealed...not my rules...but a common practice

this is obviously where you are getting your teaching from or at least one source so folks would like to know what it is you are posting about as you keep changing your mind
No I have been studying this subject for well over twenty years. and found this site quite resently.
 

socalpoppy

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Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

Come Lord Jesus.
 
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No I have been studying this subject for well over twenty years. and found this site quite resently.

credit your source

you cannot copy/paste and not credit your source

done with your threads as I finally got to what is your source

you are teaching from what you have been taught as you have finally made plain

not interested
 
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we are not saved by obedience.
The only way we are saved is by obedience.

  • taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.


in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed. 2 Thessalonians 1:9


Do you understand what the command of the Gospel is?


Do you understand what activates faith, so that it functions [is alive; active] and is able to produce the intended divine result?


Here is a hint:

But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith: Romans 16:26


  • the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:




JPT