What is the point in being a prophet?

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Umm, you didn't say that either. Only after the fact.
I'll post the exchange, and the fact remains that I have yet to see you produce any evidence to support your assumptions about Beirut and dismissal of my dream as prophetic from the Lord (aside from your opinion).


Sorry, "watch for Beirut" isn't a prophecy. Common sense could tell someone there's a possibility Israel's conflict with Hamas might spill over into Lebanon. Winter is approaching in the northern hemisphere; I could say "watch for snow." That doesn't make it a prophecy. That's just my opinion, not a personal attack.
Show me any evidence prior to August 1st in which someone - anyone - had predicted or foreseen Israel literally bombing Beirut and killing Hassan Nasrallah. And then it happened on my birthday.

Here's how I explained it on my Facebook page, which is available to anyone who wants to see because I've linked it in previous comments above if you feel inclined to look:

Now, let's say I'm a man the Lord has called to prophesy. I travel the country prophesying, telling people what the Lord is going to do to the USA. I wrote a book about prophecy. I have prophetic dreams. What are the odds the Lord would give me a dream about this particular city and that it would be in the news headlines around the world on my birthday? The bare minimum odds of this happening are (days in a year) 1/365 x (cities on Earth) 1/10,000 = 1 in 3,650,000. Factor in that the dream was given to me of all people: 1 in 8 billion.

It defies mere "coincidence."
 

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Show me any evidence prior to August 1st in which someone - anyone - had predicted or foreseen Israel literally bombing Beirut and killing Hassan Nasrallah. And then it happened on my birthday.

Here's how I explained it on my Facebook page, which is available to anyone who wants to see because I've linked it in previous comments above if you feel inclined to look:

Now, let's say I'm a man the Lord has called to prophesy. I travel the country prophesying, telling people what the Lord is going to do to the USA. I wrote a book about prophecy. I have prophetic dreams. What are the odds the Lord would give me a dream about this particular city and that it would be in the news headlines around the world on my birthday? The bare minimum odds of this happening are (days in a year) 1/365 x (cities on Earth) 1/10,000 = 1 in 3,650,000. Factor in that the dream was given to me of all people: 1 in 8 billion.

It defies mere "coincidence."
Sorry, travelling around telling people what the Lord is going to do, writing books and having vague dreams does not a prophet make. Your dream said nothing about it being in the news on your birthday. According to you, the dream said "watch Beirut." Maybe your odds would be correct if your dream had said something about it happening in Beirut on your birthday; but it didn't. You're just making it up as you go. And you wonder why no one takes you seriously.
 
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And yet, no matter how much anyone shows you that the New Testament had prophets and the gift of prophesying, you deny it. You literally deny what the Scriptures say. Acts 11:27-28. Agabus was a prophet. It's really that simple to understand.
Yes, but Agabus lived during the New Testament era, and 1CR 13:8-10 and 14:1-6 ( abbreviated) says "Where there are prophecies, they will cease... for we prophesy in part, but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears... Desire spiritual gifts, especially the gift of prophecy... because everyone who prophesies speaks to men for their strengthening... I would rather have you prophesy [than speak in tongues]... What good will I be to you unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or word of instruction?"

We can see from this passage that Paul emphasizes prophecy as akin to teaching/preaching God's Word (which is what is "perfect") rather than fore-telling.
 
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To all my haters, I no longe
Had a dream I was in some kind of fitness class and the teacher was forcing my head to the ground in submission.

Then someone said to me the word "Druze". I looked into my lap, and it was full of multi-colored gumballs. The "Druze" gumballs were colored red and pink in the midst of all the other colors.

Then I woke up.

[I believe the Lord wanted me to share this dream. I know nothing of the "Druze" and only remember hearing the word perhaps one time in my life.

Remember how the Lord told me to watch for "Beirut" in a dream in early August. Then on my birthday, 9/27, Israel bombed Beirut and killed Hassan Nasrallah, the leader of Hezbollah. Remember this post and the word "Druze".]
Had a dream of Druze. I can only remember even hearing that word one other time in my life and then had that dream from the Lord. I knew nothing about them. Now a Druze colonel was killed in the war in Israel. He was one of the most senior army commanders killed in the year-long Gaza war.

Here's the news yesterday:

Druze IDF colonel Ehsan Daqsa, slain in Gaza, remembered as a ‘natural leader’

Druze IDF colonel Ehsan Daqsa, slain in Gaza, remembered as a 'natural leader' | The Times of Israel

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I guess I'm done explaining myself to people again. If you want to know something, feel free to ask, I'll answer. There is no other reason for me to allow you guys to spiritually drain me with your constant hatefulness.

I only feel sorry for the people who would genuinely grow from what the Lord has sent me to share, because what I post will be choked out by a hundred voices telling me not to do what our Lord Jesus Christ has called me to do. I will do as He says and not what you say - no matter how much you dislike it.

If the Lord gives me something to share, I'll share it. I feel like it's "pearls before swine" at this point, but I will still testify.

I had Bible study with my friend this morning and our reading was John 9-10. I read this verse: John 9:39 And Jesus said, “For judgment I came into this world, so that those who do not see may see, and those who see may become blind.” It made me think of all my haters here.
 
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To all my haters, I no longe


Had a dream of Druze. I can only remember even hearing that word one other time in my life and then had that dream from the Lord. I knew nothing about them. Now a Druze colonel was killed in the war in Israel. He was one of the most senior army commanders killed in the year-long Gaza war.

Here's the news yesterday:

Druze IDF colonel Ehsan Daqsa, slain in Gaza, remembered as a ‘natural leader’

Druze IDF colonel Ehsan Daqsa, slain in Gaza, remembered as a 'natural leader' | The Times of Israel

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I'll concede maybe you're getting precognitive flashes in your dreams; however, the Lord doesn't reveal things to people this way. Even if the person receiving a word from the Lord doesn't understand it, the Lord always gives many details or is very specific about future events. If you want to keep thinking these dreams are from the Lord that's your business. I don't hate you, I just have a different opinion about what you're experiencing.
 
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I'll concede maybe you're getting precognitive flashes in your dreams; however, the Lord doesn't reveal things to people this way. Even if the person receiving a word from the Lord doesn't understand it, the Lord always gives many details or is very specific about future events. If you want to keep thinking these dreams are from the Lord that's your business. I don't hate you, I just have a different opinion about what you're experiencing.
Ditto and I have lovingly explained quite logical and biblical reasons for doubting both your ability to tell the future and the present existence of that ability generally. Often the most loving thing to do is honestly share differences of opinion.
 

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And yet, no matter how much anyone shows you that the New Testament had prophets and the gift of prophesying, you deny it. You literally deny what the Scriptures say. Acts 11:27-28. Agabus was a prophet. It's really that simple to understand.
You think what you do (and I and others have done) is what makes a prophet?

Before Scripture was completed the prophet (besides predicting the future) would give what would become the Word of God.
You do no such thing!
The prophets in the early church were there to instruct the church with was not yet to be found in writing!
You do no such thing!
And that can not be done anymore since the cannon of Scripture has now been completed!

1 Corinthians 14

18 I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. 19 But in the church I would
rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue.


22 Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers; prophecy, however, is not for
unbelievers but for believers.
23 So if the whole church comes together and everyone speaks
in tongues, and inquirers or unbelievers come in, will they not say that you are out of your mind?


24 But if an unbeliever or an inquirer comes in while everyone is prophesying, they are convicted
of sin and are brought under judgment by all,
25 as the secrets of their hearts are laid bare.
So they will fall down and worship God, exclaiming, “God is really among you!”


This was what NT prophets d



So they will fall down and worship God, exclaiming, “God is really among you!”


You do NOTHING LIKE THAT!


But if an unbeliever or an inquirer comes in while everyone is prophesying, they are convicted of sin
and are brought under judgment by all, as the secrets of their hearts are laid bare. So they will fall down
and worship God, exclaiming, “God is really among you!”


I have had more than my share of dreams that came to pass!
That does not make me a prophet!

Demons could have filled my head with ideas that I was a prophet based upon my dreams!
And, some believers have tried to tell me I was a prophet.

But prophets did much more important things while the Church was awaiting the completion of the Bible!


In Christ.... GZ
 

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people still think they're going to change my mind about my reality
I doubt anyone will change your mind. I do not believe your have the intellectual honesty to change your mind.

You seem to be too deep into the ditch that you have dug and I doubt you are going to pull any Christians into your morass.
 

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And yet, no matter how much anyone shows you that the New Testament had prophets and the gift of prophesying, you deny it. You literally deny what the Scriptures say. Acts 11:27-28. Agabus was a prophet. It's really that simple to understand.
I do not deny it. I have said repeatedly the apostles and the prophets laid the foundation for the Church. How could they do this if they did not exist in the early Church? Their role ended with the completion of scripture. God had said all He needed to say to us. The scriptures now form the foundation upon which we build, test our experiences, learn etc.

Strewth, you really don't listen to what people say with any thought to try and hear what they mean which is how you end up with a complete lack of understanding of anything being said to you.

You cant hear with understanding what I say to you but you want us to trust you are hearing God correctly? Two chances for that in my world, none and Buckley's.

Have a good one.
 
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My prayer I'm praying and writing out for y'all.

Lord Jesus Christ, may you bless ResidentAlien. May you be with him in all that he does. May you give him opportunity everywhere he goes to share your lovingkindness with others, and may he honor and exalt Your Holy Name in all he does.

Lord Jesus Christ, may you bless GWH. May you be with my fellow servant. May you give him opportunity to win souls for your Name and to honor and exalt You in all that he does. May you open doors of blessing for him and may his heart be steadfastly set upon you.

Lord Jesus Christ, may you bless Genez. May you be with my Brother in these later years in his life. Pour out your lovingkindness on him and may you show Him great and mighty signs of your power in his personal life. I ask that you would show Him signs like you do for me so that he may see and understand. He has lived long, and I desire for my Brother to have these experiences while still in this life. Be with him Oh Lord God, bless him mightily.

Lord Jesus Christ may you be with Lamar. May you shine the light of your goodness into his life in all that he does. May your hand be upon him in all that he sets out to do. May he be a powerful witness and testimony to win souls for the Kingdom everywhere he goes. May he walk in your lovingkindness.

Lord Jesus Christ, may you be with my Sister, sawdust. Wrap her up daily in your loving arms and show her that your power is without limits. May she see signs and wonders to convince her of your power still at work in this world - genuine signs and wonders of your power at work Oh Lord, and not from charlatans. May you bless you her in all that she does and be with her through the trying times of her life. Lord Jesus bless her and pour out your lovingkindness upon her.



Anyone who confesses and obeys Jesus before men is a Brother and Sister of mine, even if we disagree on the finer points.
 

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Lord Jesus Christ, may you bless Genez. May you be with my Brother in these later years in his life. Pour out your lovingkindness on him and may you show Him great and mighty signs of your power in his personal life. I ask that you would show Him signs like you do for me so that he may see and understand. He has lived long, and I desire for my Brother to have these experiences while still in this life. Be with him Oh Lord God, bless him mightily.
If you were truly a prophet you would know you are making mistakes...


Joshua 14:10-11​
“Now then, just as the Lord promised, he has kept me alive for forty-five years since the time he said
this to Moses, while Israel moved about in the wilderness. So here I am today, eighty-five years old!
I am still as strong today as the day Moses sent me out; I’m just as vigorous to go out to battle now
as I was then.

And, in certain ways, I am even stronger than I was forty years ago...
You are being a presumptuous jackass.
 
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Lord Jesus Christ, I pray for 2ndTimeIsTheCharm. I pray that you would pour out your lovingkindness upon her. May you bless her coming in and going out. May you make Your face to shine upon her and be gracious to her. May she extend Your kindness to all she speaks to. May she always do what is good and right in Your sight and may You crown her with life.

Thank you, Lord Jesus Christ, for hearing my prayers. May you bless all those who speak against me and may you be kind to them. Blessed be Your Name Lord Jesus.
 
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Matthew 6:6
But you, when you pray, go into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly.
While I don't want to start another argument, I was curious about your comment and whether you were being serious or just antagonistic. Like, if you were attending a church service and the pastor opened in prayer, would you shout this verse at him?

1 Thessalonians 5:17 calls us to "Pray without ceasing." Should we spend all of our waking hours behind closed doors in our secret place "praying without ceasing", or should we continue praying no matter where we are or what we're doing?

While I understand this is a rhetorical question, do you? Or should I assume you were just trying to be antagonistic?
 
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Lord Jesus Christ, I pray for 2ndTimeIsTheCharm. I pray that you would pour out your lovingkindness upon her. May you bless her coming in and going out. May you make Your face to shine upon her and be gracious to her. May she extend Your kindness to all she speaks to. May she always do what is good and right in Your sight and may You crown her with life.

Thank you, Lord Jesus Christ, for hearing my prayers. May you bless all those who speak against me and may you be kind to them. Blessed be Your Name Lord Jesus.

Your prayers will only work if you actually submit to God and obey Him. But you keep insisting that you're a prophet when everyone else can see (including God!) that God hasn't called you to that.

If I speak against you, it's because God is trying to wake you up to repent. However, if you continue to disobey Him, the only thing He can do is punish you for it. And you'll have no one else to blame but yourself. So this rebuke is just as much to save you from yourself as it is to warn my brothers and sisters in Christ from falling for your lies.


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Acts 2:17 (Joel 2:28)
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Peter was quoting Joel 2:28.
He wanted to show the Jews that what was happening at Pentecost was something that was not alienated from God's ways.


"But this is the same kind of thing that was spoken by the prophet Joel, 'And it shall come to pass in the last days, said God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams."

{Note: this is a quote from Joel 2:28 referring to the 2nd advent of the coming of the Holy Spirit in the Millennial reign of Christ - Peter is using this as an illustration to show the disciples are NOT DRUNK. Peter is NOT saying Joel's prophecy is being fulfilled at this time.}

grace and peace ........
 
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Your prayers will only work if you actually submit to God and obey Him. But you keep insisting that you're a prophet when everyone else can see (including God!) that God hasn't called you to that.

If I speak against you, it's because God is trying to wake you up to repent. However, if you continue to disobey Him, the only thing He can do is punish you for it. And you'll have no one else to blame but yourself. So this rebuke is just as much to save you from yourself as it is to warn my brothers and sisters in Christ from falling for your lies.


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Would you please answer a hypothetical question for me? This is purely hypothetical (from your point of view), so it does not damage your reputation in any way to answer it. Okay? This is a little safe space for you.

Here is my question: IF I'm 100% correct and our Lord Jesus Christ has called me to be a prophet, and everything I said is true, do you believe you have treated me and spoken to me in a way in which Jesus would approve?

No long explanations necessary. Just a simple answer to a simple hypothetical question.
 
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Would you please answer a hypothetical question for me? This is purely hypothetical (from your point of view), so it does not damage your reputation in any way to answer it. Okay? This is a little safe space for you.

Here is my question: IF I'm 100% correct and our Lord Jesus Christ has called me to be a prophet, and everything I said is true, do you believe you have treated me and spoken to me in a way in which Jesus would approve?

No long explanations necessary. Just a simple answer to a simple hypothetical question.

BUT YOU'RE NOT.

Hypothetical questions are pointless.

There's your simple answer.


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