What is the sign for salvation.?

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Jackson123

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I reads some people say, in my church that as soon as you believe Jesus as your savior, than you save, no matter what you do, you can kill everyday, or rape everyday as long as you believe Jesus as savior you save. But if you keep killing, you will not resieve the reward. You go to heaven because salvation not by work, but no reward.

seem to me this person believe that to get reward need work, but not for salvation

i want to hear your comment what every body believe
 

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What is the sign for salvation.?

The Light.

The children of God will always come to the Light.

The children of this world will hide from it.
 

Jackson123

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What is the sign for salvation.?

The Light.

The children of God will always come to the Light.

The children of this world will hide from it.
what light in the real world mean?
 

Jackson123

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The Light of Life.
i believe it is figurative, not real light which people able to see, what do you mean by light of life as a sign for salvation
 

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i believe it is figurative, not real light which people able to see, what do you mean by light of life as a sign for salvation
In the Light there is nothing hidden.
So therefore it is real and you can see the Light. Even the devil can see the Light.
He just will not come to it. The children of the devil can see the Light.
They just will not come to it.

I will put it in physical terms for you.

The devil and his children always hide in the details.
To get rid of them or force them to expose themselves... just take away all the details.

They cannot stand in the Light.

So if you take away their hiding places they cannot hide.

You will clearly see them.
 

Jackson123

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In the Light there is nothing hidden.
So therefore it is real and you can see the Light. Even the devil can see the Light.
He just will not come to it. The children of the devil can see the Light.
They just will not come to it.

I will put it in physical terms for you.

The devil and his children always hide in the details.
To get rid of them or force them to expose themselves... just take away all the details.

They cannot stand in the Light.

So if you take away their hiding places they cannot hide.

You will clearly see them.
ok so you believe the sign of salvation is if one do not hide anything. He will tell everything he know, is that what you mean?
 
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Well, in more realistic terms than the above poster...

Your church is Wrong. When you're saved you should no longer want to do those things. A desire to turn from sin is a sign of salvation. Someone willfully doing all those things could not truly be saved.
 

Jackson123

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Well, in more realistic terms than the above poster...

Your church is Wrong. When you're saved you should no longer want to do those things. A desire to turn from sin is a sign of salvation. Someone willfully doing all those things could not truly be saved.
thank for the response, I did tell them about if the branch abide to the tree, it will bear the good fruit, but they question me, is that mean you not make sin anymore?

kind of confusing isn't it?
 

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ok so you believe the sign of salvation is if one do not hide anything. He will tell everything he know, is that what you mean?
No that is not what I mean,

Here maybe this will turn on the light for you?

Who will hide in the Light?

A. The children of God.
B. The children of the devil.

Who will hide in darkness?

A. The children of God.
B. The children of the devil.
 

Jackson123

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No that is not what I mean,

Here maybe this will turn on the light for you?

Who will hide in the Light?

A. The children of God.
B. The children of the devil.

Who will hide in darkness?

A. The children of God.
B. The children of the devil.
i am not sure, who will hide in the darkness.

in the real life, we not see God. And because no body see God, they not hide, they doing as usual, working, reading etc
 

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i am not sure, who will hide in the darkness.

in the real life, we not see God. And because no body see God, they not hide, they doing as usual, working, reading etc
The children of God can see God. He is within them.
 
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Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Joh 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
Joh 13:35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

1Co 13:4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
1Co 13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
1Co 13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
1Co 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

2Ti 2:22 Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.

1Ti 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
1Ti 6:6 But godliness with contentment is great gain.
1Ti 6:7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.
1Ti 6:8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.
1Ti 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

1Pe 4:3 For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:
1Pe 4:4 Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you.

You will know the saints by their fruits,how they conduct themselves.
 
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I reads some people say, in my church that as soon as you believe Jesus as your savior, than you save, no matter what you do, you can kill everyday, or rape everyday as long as you believe Jesus as savior you save. But if you keep killing, you will not resieve the reward. You go to heaven because salvation not by work, but no reward.

seem to me this person believe that to get reward need work, but not for salvation

i want to hear your comment what every body believe
James 2:19
“Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.”
Just because someone says they believe don't mean they are really saved.
 

Rainrider

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I reads some people say, in my church that as soon as you believe Jesus as your savior, than you save, no matter what you do, you can kill everyday, or rape everyday as long as you believe Jesus as savior you save. But if you keep killing, you will not resieve the reward. You go to heaven because salvation not by work, but no reward.

seem to me this person believe that to get reward need work, but not for salvation

i want to hear your comment what every body believe
My understanding on this is not a popular one, I will put that out there right now.
The idea of once saved always saved, sure sounds good. It can be shown from the Bible to at lest be a possibility. Some are bit more convincing that others on that.
Here is why I have a problem with it. If we look at Romans 11 we find,
Rom 11:19
“Well,” you may say, “those branches were broken off to make room for me.
Rom 11:20 Yes, but remember—those branches were broken off because they didn’t believe in Christ, and you are there because you do believe. So don’t think highly of yourself, but fear what could happen.
Rom 11:21 For if God did not spare the original branches, he won’t spare you either.

I am not here to debate this, I am simply offing up y idea on it. I can also take this back to the foundation of the Word, (that being the Torah), and show that it has happened in that time, so Knowing that HaShem doesn't change, it stands to reason that this is true today.
I do hope this helps, and does not become a stumbling block. I do ask that you please take what I say at lest, and study it out. Seek the truth, and the truth will shown to you.
 

Rainrider

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I reads some people say, in my church that as soon as you believe Jesus as your savior, than you save, no matter what you do, you can kill everyday, or rape everyday as long as you believe Jesus as savior you save. But if you keep killing, you will not resieve the reward. You go to heaven because salvation not by work, but no reward.

seem to me this person believe that to get reward need work, but not for salvation

i want to hear your comment what every body believe
Seems I only gave 1/2 an answer, sorry about that.
Jas 2:26 Just as the body is dead without breath, so also faith is dead without good works.

As we should all know, sin is what separates us from HaShem. If this is true, then my post above, stands as it is, and this post as will be shown, does as well. First what is sin?
1Jo 3:4 Everyone who sins is breaking God's law, for all sin is contrary to the law of God.

Does it really separate us from HaShem?
Isa 59:2
It’s your sins that have cut you off from God. Because of your sins, he has turned away and will not listen anymore.

Once more I ask, please study this out. Don't just take my word for it.
 

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My understanding on this is not a popular one, I will put that out there right now.
The idea of once saved always saved, sure sounds good. It can be shown from the Bible to at lest be a possibility. Some are bit more convincing that others on that.
Here is why I have a problem with it. If we look at Romans 11 we find,
Rom 11:19
“Well,” you may say, “those branches were broken off to make room for me.
Rom 11:20 Yes, but remember—those branches were broken off because they didn’t believe in Christ, and you are there because you do believe. So don’t think highly of yourself, but fear what could happen.
Rom 11:21 For if God did not spare the original branches, he won’t spare you either.

I am not here to debate this, I am simply offing up y idea on it. I can also take this back to the foundation of the Word, (that being the Torah), and show that it has happened in that time, so Knowing that HaShem doesn't change, it stands to reason that this is true today.
I do hope this helps, and does not become a stumbling block. I do ask that you please take what I say at lest, and study it out. Seek the truth, and the truth will shown to you.
I agree ! and there is also Joh 8v31... OSAS is only effective as long as we CONTINUE in His Word !
 

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Seems I only gave 1/2 an answer, sorry about that.
Jas 2:26 Just as the body is dead without breath, so also faith is dead without good works.

As we should all know, sin is what separates us from HaShem. If this is true, then my post above, stands as it is, and this post as will be shown, does as well. First what is sin?
1Jo 3:4 Everyone who sins is breaking God's law, for all sin is contrary to the law of God.

Does it really separate us from HaShem?
Isa 59:2
It’s your sins that have cut you off from God. Because of your sins, he has turned away and will not listen anymore.

Once more I ask, please study this out. Don't just take my word for it.
And how is sin defined by God ? 1Joh 3v4...sin is transgression of the law. May I say that this is no reference to Moses law but the Commandments of GOD !
 

Rainrider

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And how is sin defined by God ? 1Joh 3v4...sin is transgression of the law. May I say that this is no reference to Moses law but the Commandments of GOD !
We differ on that one hun. All Law was given By HaShem. To give one more standing that any other, is wrong on our part. After all do we not teach that teh Torah and all HaShem said to Moses, came from HaShem? So how can one separate any law from HaShem?