What is the Truth of Jesus?

pittsburghjoe · May 28, 2021

The TRUTH is that we need God in our lives.

Becoming one with yourself is the definition of sin. (self-righteousness)(spiritually dead)

We are in this reality to become one with God.

sin is handing your spirit/perception over to death ..separation. The Law/Faith is about keeping you connected to God (Life).

This reality was the only thing keeping us from going straight to the lake of fire.

God is giving us the chance to renew our spirit and join Him for eternity.

This place was always going to happen because man always asks to be about himself ..to sin.

Stop blaming God for this opportunity.

This place doesn't work unless we are given the Free Will choice to believe. So don't expect direct evidence.

We made this place corrupt by giving authority to the beast.

There is Judgement of which path you chose ..God or beast. You answer for your sins if you chose beast. The paths lead to the type of afterlife you will have.

God's Knowledge/Image/Perception through Christ
or beast knowledge/image/perception through man

Are you selling yourself to the beast nation/system?

Do you only care about man's achievements, money, and pride? If so, you are failing this test/Judgement.

Do you want LIFE or death?

pittsburghjoe · May 28, 2021

Consider the requirements of becoming compatible with an infinite God.
Does being about yourself sound finite to you?

Spiritual blindness to believing isn't good enough ..you have to overcome the illusion of being separated from God. Give up the world. Become a pillar of God's Kingdom (Christ's Body).

Friend of the world is a carnal/beast mind. Man's animal/sin nature. Everything you were taught to care about is wrong if God isn't involved.

James 4:4
Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

An enemy of God is not compatible.

1 John 4:8 “He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.”

pittsburghjoe · May 29, 2021

The temptation of Jesus in the desert was in His mind ..just like Adam and Eve.
Jesus won where Adam and Eve did not.

Jesus was tempted in every way ..including the way that started this mess.
Jesus used His Spirit to have victory over the test. He overcame what we need to do to receive the Tree of Life.
Did God The Father communicate to Jesus via Jesus's Spirit?
Jesus was tempted, but He listened to His Spirit like we do after being renewed/quickened.

1 Corinthians 15:45-48
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

pottersclay · May 29, 2021

pittsburghjoe said:

Joe the temptations were not in his mind but very real.
He was led into the wilderness by the
Holy Spirit.
There are many things to glean from this story (advent)..the first to recognize is the fact that this event was witnessed and told by the Holy Spirit for their were no others present at the time.

pittsburghjoe · May 29, 2021

The test of Obedience and Loyalty was the same test Jesus was tempted with in the desert. Jesus was offered independence from God the Father.

Do you really think satan showed Jesus all the kingdoms in moment of time? Or was it in His mind?

Pilgrimshope · May 29, 2021

pittsburghjoe said:

the truth is the gospel he preached it’s why he was sent to bring to light Gods true word

“Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
‭‭John‬ ‭18:37‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the thkngs jesus preached in the gospel is the understanding of the true God no longer hidden behind the veil of the ot

“And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness. And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:19-20‬ ‭

the truth is the understanding he spoke in the gospel . Then understanding of God as a father to us his children whom he loves enough to suffer and die to save , the understanding of mercy and truth , the understanding of the eternal
Kingdom found in his words preached forth to the world the understanding the law could not announce But the gospel makes known to anyone willing to believe the words of our true God

He himself is the truth what he set before us is the way to eternal
Life and no one can get in any other way but to come to Jesus and know God the father

“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:6-7‬ ‭

the truth is what we need to believe to be saved

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the things Jesus was sent to the world to teach believers the spirit of truth comes from his word

pittsburghjoe · May 29, 2021

How do you think you get God in your life? Through the Gospel.

"jesus preached in the gospel is the understanding of the true God no longer hidden behind the veil of the ot"

I like this

Is the beast a false god?

pittsburghjoe · May 29, 2021

Spiritual blindness waking to believing isn't good enough ..you have to overcome the illusion/veil of being separated from God.
Give up the world. Become a pillar of God's Kingdom (Christ's Body).

temptation is a false god

pittsburghjoe · May 29, 2021

We each have a veil on our Temple of God which is why you have to Open The Door to Christ.

pittsburghjoe · May 29, 2021

Hebrews 10:19-22
Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
And having an high priest over the house of God;

pittsburghjoe · May 29, 2021

The veil is temptation to keep God out of our lives.

pittsburghjoe · May 29, 2021

Romans 7:25
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

The veil is the law of sin

Pilgrimshope · May 29, 2021

pittsburghjoe said:

which beast brother ? The eighth king ? Who was , and was not , and was still to return from the abyss and overcome the two witnesses ?

My opinion would be if you are speaking of that beast that he is a false messiah claiming to be from God , claiming to be the truth of Christ . And then the beast which arises after him in my opinion is a false religion claiming to be of God , claiming to worship Christ but the word they keep is of Satan and not the lamb .

I would say Satan is a false God the dragon , and the beasts are all men who served him on earth . And the beast that was before , was not in johns day , but was yet to come , the eighth king who is one of the first seven come a second time is a false messiah o is serving the dragons will making spiritual war with the saints by false doctrines “ he spake as a dragon”

what identifies the true God is his word , God will never say for instance “ sin is now okay because Jesus died we don’t need to repent “

we understand this because we know the truth that Jesus is all about repenting from sin because he died to forgive us and redeem us from it. So anytime one claims Christ , and doesn’t agree with his word we can identify member of the earthly beast that has the appearance of a lamb , but his words are those of a dragon

it’s only my own meek opinion but I’d say the beast that roses up from the sea in johns vision is actually rising from the sea of glass before Gods throne , no it consists of men who are serving satans will trying to destroy the saints who believe the true gospel

and the beast that has the two horns like a lamb , is a false religion that sprang up from this time . Still working for satans will but subtily by his doctrine claiming to be of the lamb but it’s actually the words of the dragon that set out to kill the saints

Satan is a deceiver not a buligerant loud mouth he’s clever and subtle , crafty and hides his true self but one thing we understand is that Jesus words are Gods words the gospel is the identification of the truth from God so we don’t fall into the lies

pittsburghjoe · May 29, 2021

Yes, good points, I guess I mean the beast system/nations ..whatever it is ..it is directly tied to temptation.

The Way to the Tree of Life became available everywhere, not just the physical Temple made with hands.

Nehemiah6 · May 29, 2021

pittsburghjoe said:

According to Scripture the temptations were NOT in the mind of Christ, but they were external. There was nothing internal to respond to those temptations, since God cannot be tempted, and the God-Man could not be tempted.

pittsburghjoe · May 29, 2021

Nehemiah6 said:

Luke 4:5
And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.

Do you really think the devil showed Human Jesus all the kingdoms in a moment of time? Or was it in His mind?

Nehemiah6 · May 29, 2021

pittsburghjoe said:

Had it not been true, it would have been recorded as a vision, rather than an event in time. We do not understand how it was accomplished.

Pilgrimshope · May 29, 2021

pittsburghjoe said:

yes there is no more temple made by hands brother when the veil was torn ot made the way in for us to follow

“And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost. And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭15:37-38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

when the lord died and sacrifices his flesh the veil that kept God hidden was rent in Twain torn so that the way was now visible to us as not beforehand when it was in a temple made by hands but hidden in the inner room where no one could go

“But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:

The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:

Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.

For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭9:7-12, 14-

yes the tabernacle on earth never showed the way , it kept the way in hidden because mans sin was death Christ removed it and entered into the actual temple of God in heaven and the one on earth in our heart

Pilgrimshope · May 29, 2021

pittsburghjoe said:

yes the thought “ maybe we should eat the fruit this other guy said it’s okay “ is temptation the same as hunger during a fast is temptation

“But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.”
‭‭James‬ ‭1:14-15‬ ‭

Lust is the spiritual issue , sin is what comes of we dont our away the temptation in the mind. We need a fortified mind to overcome temptation.

“That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;

And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4:22-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it’s a renewing of the mind because our minds are weak to temptations of the world not having the proper knowledge in our faith Satan gave us the wrong info and we partook of the wrong knowledge , Christ offers the right knowledge that’s how belief saves us it changes how we think as sinners to how he thinks as children of God so our minds and hearts are guarded like we’re told

It’s why we are told by the apostles to keep Our thinking in line by purposely pondering the food and wholesome things in our mind

“Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand. Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.

And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.

Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭4:5-8‬ ‭

The devil comes to us in our thoughts and so does the lord we need to operate on the realm within us and let our thinking be renewed and transformed from sinners thinking to children of God thinking

this renewing of the mind by the gospel is how we can overcome sin because it teaches us to overcome temptation within before we let it birth sin

“And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭12:2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The son of God preached a doctrine able to renew us if we have faith . To change how we think because that’s the root issue it’s “ why we sin “ in deed because we accept it and cultivate it through our mind and let it root in our hearts and imaginations

it’s always been mans problem since the transgression but Jesus has the solution of we believe him

what saves us is believing his gospel. And letting that faith transform our minds so we can understand instructions like this later

Notice what’s actually renewed at the end

“If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.

For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:

For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:

In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them. But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds; And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭3:1-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That’s how man was created in the beginning in the image of him that created him the renewing of the minds knowledge is salvstion and healing for sinners

Pilgrimshope · May 29, 2021

pittsburghjoe said:

you know I was thinking about the beast since you asked this we should discuss it sometime in a post

have you ever considered the recurring nature on earth , of a nation that rules in power and then becomes wicked ? Like pharaohs kingdom Egypt at one time was the worlds most powerful nation . Then later other nations like Babylon became the most powerful , Persia after them , followed by Greece and Alexander the Great , then from Greece came the Roman Empire which again in succession was the ruling power in johns day ....

the beast seems to represent that recurring theme of a powerful nation in authority on earth who turns wicked and distorts Gods ways and laws. Today we would be talking about China most likely given thier rosong star in the world and immense size together with thier governments distain for Christ and the Christian faith

But through time it seems as if every nation from Egypt to Africa to China to America through time has spent a short time ruling in power and influencing the worlds culture and human history

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