What is the will of God ? What does He want us to do in life?

[danschance]

John, I want to also answer your question. You asked if I keep the commandments. No I do not keep the commandments. I am a sinner and the bible says if you break a law you are guilty of breaking the whole law. I can not think of any commandant that I have not broken in thought word or deed.

For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. James 2:10

John, do you really keep the commandments? ..or do you mostly keep them? Do you realize how impossible it is to keep the commandments without fail?

 

[danschance]

Anytime todays church hears "keep commandments" there is objection. Strange. The commandments were never given to those who weren't part of God's family, they weren't for the pagans. God, over and over, as he speaks to those He has saved, says to keep them. God's word mentions that as the follow up of salvation. Why do you suppose today's church reacts so to any suggestion of doing. God, or people talking of doing, has no thought of the doing as salvation, only after salvation, yet it is the church's first thought.

I am not objecting. I am saying I can not keep all of God's commandments. I acknowledge that I am a sinner. I do not accept the mosaic laws. I only accept God's moral laws which have been written on every man's heart and I have broken everyone of those laws in one way or another. I am a sinner in need of forgiveness.

 

[john832]

I will assume your answer to my question is "yes". So my next question is: "Are you a sinner?"

If you keep the commandments then you must not sin, right? Can anyone keep the commandments without being a sinner?

I am a sinner. I do not keep the Law perfectly, that is where grace comes in. Grace is the free, unearned, undeserved pardon for my sins. Christ is the High Priest who intercedes for us...

1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Heb 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.


Now, do you keep the Commandments (to the best of your ability and have Christ to make up for your shortcomings)?

Or do you disagree with Christ?

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

How do you explain this scripture?

While you are explaining that one, let's add a few more...

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

1Co 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

1Jn 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

2Jn 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

So, you wanna explain why these scriptures really don't mean what they say?

 

[haz]

From the wisest man that ever lived...

Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
Ecc 12:14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

Hi John 832,

You're misunderstanding scripture.

So, have you perfectly obeyed the law since you received Christ?
If not, then you're guilty of all of it, James 2:10, as you have not kept the law perfectly.

And what did Paul think of his same obsession for righteousness by deeds of the law, that you have?
Phil 3:6-9
concerning the righteousness which is in the law, blameless. But what things were gain to me, these I have counted loss for Christ. Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith

And what did that young man recognize when he asked Jesus how to have eternal life?
Matt 19:18-21
He said to Him, “Which ones?”

Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”

The young man said to Him, “All these things I have kept from my youth. What do I still lack?”

Jesus said to him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”

The thief on the cross who called Jesus "Lord" followed Jesus and entered in to eternal life.

But the young man who kept the commandments did not enter in to eternal life as he did not follow Jesus as the theif on the cross did.

John832, you don't obey the law perfectly so you're guilty of all of it, yet you say our salvation depends on obedience of the law. The doctrine you follow condemns you. The doctrine you follow teaches that you should be perfected by the flesh.

But the young man recognized that he still lacked in spite of obeying the law.
Paul recognized that he still lacked in spite of being blameless under the law. He even counted his former righteousness under the law as rubbish.

So, if you want to be perfect, repent of your dead works of the law and come, follow Jesus.

 

[haz]

I am a sinner. I do not keep the Law perfectly, that is where grace comes in. Grace is the free, unearned, undeserved pardon for my sins. Christ is the High Priest who intercedes for us...

Just noticed your last post.

I note that you quoted scripture about keeping His commandments. You even quoted 1John 3:22, but then stopped short there, neglecting 1John 3:23 which tells us His commandments.

1John 3:22,23
we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.

Anyway, as you have admitted that you do not obey the law perfectly, do you also admit that you are guilty of all the law?
James 2:10,11
For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.

The doctrine you follow contradicts scripture. Instead you claim that we don't have to obey the law perfectly, we just have to try our best. Can you explain how this is determined? If a Christian transgresses the law more than 7x70 times, are they therefore condemned and lost?

And how is this being just and fair, when the thief on the cross who called Jesus "Lord" was saved without any deeds of the law to back up his position? Are those with death bed salvation more blessed than those who live on having to prove by some ambiguous minimum standard of behavior that they are worthy to be saved?

 

[zone]

"For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes
in Him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.” John 6:40

What is the will of God ? What does He want us to do in life?

GIVE HIM GLORY.

 

[danschance]

I am a sinner. I do not keep the Law perfectly, that is where grace comes in. Grace is the free, unearned, undeserved pardon for my sins. Christ is the High Priest who intercedes for us...

1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Heb 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.


Now, do you keep the Commandments (to the best of your ability and have Christ to make up for your shortcomings)?

Or do you disagree with Christ?

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

How do you explain this scripture?

While you are explaining that one, let's add a few more...

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

1Co 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

1Jn 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

2Jn 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

So, you wanna explain why these scriptures really don't mean what they say?

Now, do you keep the Commandments (to the best of your ability and have Christ to make up for your shortcomings)?

Yes, I try to keep God's laws.

So, you wanna explain why these scriptures really don't mean what they say?

I never said or implied we should not keep God's commandments. However, the Seventh Day Adventists put a great deal of emphasis on them and even include some of the mosaic laws into the which are obsolete under the new covenant of grace. So be adding things to the commandments of God, you become a "neo-judaizer".

Not only that but by constantly preaching a message of legalism, you do so to the chagrin of many other passages like the ones listed below.

Romans 6:14 - For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Romans 10:4 - For Christ [is] the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
Ephesians 2:8 - For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:

There is one problem with a verse that is often repeated by Seventh Day Adventists like some sort of mantra.
Revelation 22:14 says "keep His commandments" but this is not supported in the greek. In the greek it says those who wash their robes. These robes got soiled by sin and washing them is done thru repentence and with the blood of the Lamb. Look below and see.
New International Version
"Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city.

New Living Translation
Blessed are those who wash their robes. They will be permitted to enter through the gates of the city and eat the fruit from the tree of life.

English Standard Version
Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life and that they may enter the city by the gates.

New American Standard Bible
Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter by the gates into the city.

King James Bible
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
"Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life and may enter the city by the gates.

 

[Jeshuvan]

Hi Dans,First of all nothing is Impossible 4 God or them that put their complete trust in God,Luke 1:37 so dont believe those words,they r not from God.Also if u will read 1st thess 5:16-18,in verse 18 it tells us what Gods will is 4 us through Christ Jesus.In everything give thanks unto God,4 this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.Also meditate on Psalm 103:1-12 it will bless u.It states about all of Gods benifits thats we should remember,and his gracious forgiveness.Start seeing yourself the way God is seeing u,the picture will completely change.GBU John.

 

[CoooCaw]

THERE is a difference between doing and being

"For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes
in Him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.” John 6:40

 

[GreenNnice]

All good answers, as you can 'see,' from me anyway, I 'liked' them

Let Him lead you to all good truth , God bless you all, look on Him, believe in Him, follow Him, and, He will raise you up on 'the last day .'

The Lord leads.

 

[john832]

Just noticed your last post.

I note that you quoted scripture about keeping His commandments. You even quoted 1John 3:22, but then stopped short there, neglecting 1John 3:23 which tells us His commandments.

1John 3:22,23
we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.

Anyway, as you have admitted that you do not obey the law perfectly, do you also admit that you are guilty of all the law?
James 2:10,11
For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.

And you, when you break any of the Commandments are automatically innocent? In other words if one tries to obey and falls short they are guilty but if you don't try to obey, if you just do whatever comes to mind, you are as pure as the driven snow. You have not sinned? You have not trangressed the Law?

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Does this apply to you?

1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Are you sinless because you do not aknowledge the Law? This scripture says differently...

Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

The doctrine you follow contradicts scripture. Instead you claim that we don't have to obey the law perfectly, we just have to try our best. Can you explain how this is determined? If a Christian transgresses the law more than 7x70 times, are they therefore condemned and lost?

So, let me ask you, then we SHOULD NOT STRIVE TO OBEY? We should just break the Law with alacrity? God smiles on those who continually murder in their hearts?

Let's get down to it then, do you harbor thoughts of murder? After all, by your doctrine, this is perfectly acceptable. We should not try to overcome these sins. Are you a serial adulterer? If the Law is not to be obeyed, then it must be OK by your reckoning.

Nothing of your neighbor's is safe because you have no compunction against stealing from him?

And how is this being just and fair, when the thief on the cross who called Jesus "Lord" was saved without any deeds of the law to back up his position? Are those with death bed salvation more blessed than those who live on having to prove by some ambiguous minimum standard of behavior that they are worthy to be saved?

So, God's graciousness is unfair? You are questioning the graciousness of God here. There are no standards of behavior? You just live however you want to?


Let's address the Commandments of Christ here while we are at it. First of all, let's read Ex 20:1...

Exo 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,

Who was this speaking?

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Notice this passage about Jesus Christ, He was the Logos, the Spokesman. Now let's read on...

Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

No one has seen the Father...

Joh 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

Joh 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

No one has ever seen the shape of the Father or heard His voice.

Moses talked face to face with God...

Exo 33:11 And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.

Moses saw someone...

Exo 33:22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:

Moses saw someone here but it was not the Father.
Exo 33:23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.

This God revealed Himself as I AM...

Exo 3:13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?
Exo 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

Let's see who that was...

Joh 18:6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.

Notice the he is italicised in the KJV? Means the translators inserted the word, it is not in the original. Christ said HE was the "I AM". This is why they went backward and fell to the ground, they knew who "I AM" was.

There could have been at least 1.2 million people that came out of Egypt. They heard someone speaking but it was not the Father. Who was it?

1Co 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
1Co 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
1Co 10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

So who was it that led Israel through the sea to Mt. Sinai? Jesus Christ. It was Christ who spoke the Ten Commandments on Mt. Sinai. The Ten Commandments were given by Christ. Then Christ spoke this...

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

What does it mean to (fulfill) fill full? To do away with? Imagine you have two styrofoam cups, one in each hand. Now fill one clear full with water and crumple the other and toss it in the waste basket. Which one did you fulfill (fill full)? christ came to fulfill the Law...

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

fulfil:

G4137
πληρόω
plēroō
play-ro'-o
From G4134; to make replete, that is, (literally) to cram (a net), level up (a hollow), or (figuratively) to furnish (or imbue, diffuse, influence), satisfy, execute (an office), finish (a period or task), verify (or coincide with a prediction), etc.: - accomplish, X after, (be) complete, end, expire, fill (up), fulfil, (be, make) full (come), fully preach, perfect, supply.

There is nothing in the meaning of the word fulfil that remotely refers to making it of none effect. Christ came to magnify the Law...

Isa 42:21 The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

The Ten Commandments were given by Christ on Mt. Sinai. He said that heaven and earth would pass away before a jot or tittle passed from the Law. The Ten Commandments are Christ's Commandments. Why don't you explain why these scriptures don't mean what they say...

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Notice which commandments we are to keep to enter into life...

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Mat 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Mat 19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Love your neighbor is the summing up of the last six Commandments...

Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Not the breaking of the Law.

1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

2Jn 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

What Commandments have we heard from the beginning? How many Commandments has Christ given?

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

How about explaining why these passages don't mean what they say.

 

[john832]

Love is the commandment. That is all.

Ok, so if one is "loving" his neighbor's wife, is he fulfilling the Commandment? Help me understand what love is.

Better yet, I'll help you understand...

1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

 

[john832]

John, I want to also answer your question. You asked if I keep the commandments. No I do not keep the commandments. I am a sinner and the bible says if you break a law you are guilty of breaking the whole law. I can not think of any commandant that I have not broken in thought word or deed.


John, do you really keep the commandments? ..or do you mostly keep them? Do you realize how impossible it is to keep the commandments without fail?

So let me ask you, when you get angry with someone, you just go ahead and kill them? When your neighbor has a very attractive wife, you just go ahead and commit adultery with her?

So if the Bible says that if you break a Law you are guilty of breaking the whole Law. Now, by your reckoning , if you don't try to obey, you just break every Law there is, you are innocent?

You don't even try to obey? Do you use the same reasoning for the laws of the United States? How about state and local laws? You drive 75 in a 25mph zone? Try that defense when you are caught for speeding.

 

[john832]

Yes, I try to keep God's laws.

Why? Because that is the love of God...

1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

I never said or implied we should not keep God's commandments. However, the Seventh Day Adventists put a great deal of emphasis on them and even include some of the mosaic laws into the which are obsolete under the new covenant of grace. So be adding things to the commandments of God, you become a "neo-judaizer".

You should save that argument for an SDA, I am not one.

Not only that but by constantly preaching a message of legalism, you do so to the chagrin of many other passages like the ones listed below.


There is one problem with a verse that is often repeated by Seventh Day Adventists like some sort of mantra.
Revelation 22:14 says "keep His commandments" but this is not supported in the greek. In the greek it says those who wash their robes. These robes got soiled by sin and washing them is done thru repentence and with the blood of the Lamb. Look below and see.
New International Version
"Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city.

New Living Translation
Blessed are those who wash their robes. They will be permitted to enter through the gates of the city and eat the fruit from the tree of life.

English Standard Version
Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life and that they may enter the city by the gates.

New American Standard Bible
Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter by the gates into the city.

King James Bible
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
"Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life and may enter the city by the gates.

Again, you need to direct your comments about SDA's to an SDA, I am not one. Anyhoo, you do know what the Diaglott is, don't you? Here is the Diaglott for Rev 22:14...

Rev 22:14 Blessed those doing the commandments of him, so that shall be the authority of them over the wood of the life, and by the gates they may enter into the city.


In the KJV...

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Strong's says the Greek does support this translation...

Rev 22:14Blessed[SUP]G3107are they that doG4160 hisG848 commandments,G1785 thatG2443 theyG846 may haveG2071 rightG1849 toG1909 theG3588 treeG3586 of life,G2222 andG2532 may enter inG1525 through theG3588 gatesG4440 intoG1519 theG3588 city.G4172[/SUP]
[SUP]
[/SUP]

Blessed:

G3107
μακάριος
makarios
mak-ar'-ee-os
A prolonged form of the poetical μάκαρ makar (meaning the same); supremely blest; by extension fortunate, well off: - blessed, happy (X -ier).


they that do (are is in italics=added by the translators):

G4160
ποιέω
poieō
poy-eh'-o
Apparently a prolonged form of an obsolete primary; to make or do (in a very wide application, more or less direct): - abide, + agree, appoint, X avenge, + band together, be, bear, + bewray, bring (forth), cast out, cause, commit, + content, continue, deal, + without any delay, (would) do (-ing), execute, exercise, fulfil, gain, give, have, hold, X journeying, keep, + lay wait, + lighten the ship, make, X mean, + none of these things move me, observe, ordain, perform, provide, + have purged, purpose, put, + raising up, X secure, shew, X shoot out, spend, take, tarry, + transgress the law, work, yield. Compare G4238.

His:

G848
αὑτοῦ
hautou
how-too'
Contraction for G1438; self (in some oblique case or reflexive relation): - her (own), (of) him (-self), his (own), of it, thee, their (own), them (-selves), they.


Now for the word in question...

commandments:

G1785
ἐντολή
entolē
en-tol-ay'
From G1781; injunction, that is, an authoritative prescription: - commandment, precept.

Thayer's has it...

G1785
ἐντολή
entolē
Thayer Definition:
1) an order, command, charge, precept, injunction
1a) that which is prescribed to one by reason of his office
2) a commandment
2a) a prescribed rule in accordance with which a thing is done
2a1) a precept relating to lineage, of the Mosaic precept concerning the priesthood
2a2) ethically used of the commandments in the Mosaic law or Jewish tradition
Part of Speech: noun feminine
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G1781
Citing in TDNT: 2:545, 234

A word by word from Strong's and Thayer's does support the KJV translation.

But hey, let's not even look at that one, look at all the other scriptures that support keeping the Commandments...

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

I just did a big long post about Christ giving the Ten Commandments on Mt. Sinai.

Paul's words...

Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

1Co 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

Eph 6:2 Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise

1Ti 1:5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:

The word end here is the same as Rom 10:4, τέλος, and means...

G5056
τέλος
telos
tel'-os
From a primary word τέλλω tellō (to set out for a definite point or goal); properly the point aimed at as a limit, that is, (by implication) the conclusion of an act or state (termination [literally, figuratively or indefinitely], result [immediate, ultimate or prophetic], purpose); specifically an impost or levy (as paid): - + continual, custom, end (-ing), finally, uttermost. Compare G5411.

So the end or goal or point of aim or result of the Law is love (charity from agape).

John says...

1Jn 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

No one keeps them perfectly, that is what grace is all about. But those who strive to keep the Commandments have the heart of doing them, whereas those who do not attempt to keep them have the heart of lawlessness.

Now, the same old thing is thrown up about how we cannot keep them and are guilty of all. Yep, and therefore we need Christ as our intercessor. He intercedes daily with the Father for us. How does God look at those who do not try to obey?

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

And so, if we cannot keep them perfectly, how are we judged?

1Sa 16:7 But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.

The Eternal looks on our hearts. What does He see? Either one who is striving to obey with a good heart or one who does not try to obey with a lawless heart.

 

[Cobus]

To worship HIM... As HE IS WORTHY...
No sinner can worship God, God said YOU CANNOT SERVE GOD AND MAMMON.... Not may not CANNOT...
Who can please the Lord? Wo can worship God (please Him) .... I think this ONE VERSE says t all....
1 John 3:22...And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

MAy the LORD give us the faith to DO WHAT IS PLEASING IN HIS IGHT.... AMEN!

 

[haz]

And you, when you break any of the Commandments are automatically innocent? In other words if one tries to obey and falls short they are guilty but if you don't try to obey, if you just do whatever comes to mind, you are as pure as the driven snow. You have not sinned? You have not trangressed the Law?

Hi John,

A believer is not under the law (Rom 8:2, Rom 10:4, Gal 4:25, Gal 5:18, 1Tim 1:9) so how can they be charged with transgression of it (sin)?

Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. Rom 8:33

Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Rom 3:19

Instead we see that for believers our faith is counted for righteousness, Rom 4:5.

And as for our behavior, that often improves, especially as we grow in our relationship with God. But as we're all at different stages of our walk we will see some with little or no improvement (such as the thief on the cross) to some with much improvement. But this is not how our righteousness is determined.

And this is where we differ. You see one's righteousness as being proven by how well we try to obey the law. This contradicts scripture.

Does this apply to you?

1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Consider the context of 1John 1 from the beginning of the chapter. Note it's evangelical context. It bears witness and declares eternal life to others so that they also may have fellowship with the Father and His Son, Jesus Christ. It declaring eternal life to non-believers who say they have fellowship with God, but walk in darkness (without Christ), 1John 1:6.

I know that you see 1John 1:8 as referring to Christians. But the problem you have is that your understanding of 1john 1:8 contradicts 1John 3:9 which says that Christians cannot sin. Also your claim suggests that Christians are still under the law for righteousness as sin is transgression of the law (1John 3:4), in spite of the many scriptures stating that we're not under the law.

Are you sinless because you do not aknowledge the Law? This scripture says differently...

Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Praise God that Jesus fullfilled the law for us as none of us is a doer (perfect obedience) of the law. And remember that you have already confessed that you are still not a doer of the law. You are guilty of all the law (james 2:10).

Sin is transgression of the law (1John 3:4)
Sin is unrighteousness, (1John 5:17)
Sin is unbelief in Jesus (John 16:9).

Anyone under the law (non-believers) who fails to obey it perfectly, is unrighteous.
Anyone (non-believers) not under the law is unrighteous as they have nothing to show for righteousness.

But, for Christians, our faith is counted for righteousness, Rom 4:5.
So what sin can be charged against us?
Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. Rom 8:33

So, let me ask you, then we SHOULD NOT STRIVE TO OBEY? We should just break the Law with alacrity? God smiles on those who continually murder in their hearts?

Let's get down to it then, do you harbor thoughts of murder? After all, by your doctrine, this is perfectly acceptable. We should not try to overcome these sins. Are you a serial adulterer? If the Law is not to be obeyed, then it must be OK by your reckoning.

Nothing of your neighbor's is safe because you have no compunction against stealing from him?

Why would you think that a Christian would suddenly want to go out and steal, etc, etc because they are not under the law for righteousness?

As Christians we love one another.
I have no desire to steal, etc.
And Christians will all be at different stages of growth. Some will show little to no improvement in behavior (such as the thief on the cross) and some much improvement. But our behavior is not how our righteousness is determined.

And this is where we differ. You are judging righteousness and salvation based on how good a life one lives.

Hence my questions to you asking for details from scripture to support your doctrine that some minimum standard of behavior is required for one to be saved.

Whenever I've asked this question of those who preach works of the law for righteousness, they either speak of perfect obedience to the law being required or they allude to some ambiguous level of obedience as the requirement. Neither of these views is supported in scripture for salvation.

You quote scriptures about keeping the commandments, but you yourself have admitted that you don't keep them. In fact your guilty of all of them (james 2:10).

Can you show scripture to support the doctrine you follow that striving to obey the commandments the best you can is needed to prove ones righteousness? And how much striving is required to prove this? Without answers to these questions we're all in the dark as to whether we're saved or not under such doctrines.

Also consider how this doctrine you follow also suggests that God is unjust.
The thief on the cross entered into paradise without any striving over deeds of the law, for his salvation. He believed in Jesus and was saved, as the gosepl says.

But the doctrine you follow says that anyone without deathbed salvation has further hurdles to overcome. They have to attain some ambiguous level of obedience to the law and God won't even tell them how much obedince is satisfactory enough to receive salvation.

These are my issues with the doctrine you follow.

 

[fredjames]

Peace be with you, the FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST want us to honor HIS SON, the builder of the New Covenant with HIS commandments in teachings and instructions through the Apostles for all churches in order to complete the New Covenant for all believers to come in one order, who have born again of faith and in faith to abide and continue to bear fruit. Apart from this is all lie and deceptions of the devil to compromise to all that is written in the New Covenant.

 

[john832]

Hi John,

A believer is not under the law (Rom 8:2, Rom 10:4, Gal 4:25, Gal 5:18, 1Tim 1:9) so how can they be charged with transgression of it (sin)?

Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. Rom 8:33

Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Rom 3:19

So, if one is not under the Law, they can murder? After all, no charges can be laid at their feet.

Instead we see that for believers our faith is counted for righteousness, Rom 4:5.

And as for our behavior, that often improves, especially as we grow in our relationship with God. But as we're all at different stages of our walk we will see some with little or no improvement (such as the thief on the cross) to some with much improvement. But this is not how our righteousness is determined.

Hmmm, so a murderers behavior often improves, implying that sometimes it does not. Still OK though, because no charges can be laid at his feet.

And no one has ever said that our righteousness comes from keeping the Law. Do you think guilt comes from breaking the Law?

Oh, wait, I forgot, no matter what one does there is no guilt.

And this is where we differ. You see one's righteousness as being proven by how well we try to obey the law. This contradicts scripture.

And I have NEVER said that, I have said that we should strive to obey, I have NEVER said that our righteousness comes from keeping the Law. If you have ever read any of my posts previously, you will find that I have said that 100 lifetimes of 100 years each of perfectly keeping the Law cannot earn eternal life. It is the gift of God through faith and that is the faith of Christ not our own.

Consider the context of 1John 1 from the beginning of the chapter. Note it's evangelical context. It bears witness and declares eternal life to others so that they also may have fellowship with the Father and His Son, Jesus Christ. It declaring eternal life to non-believers who say they have fellowship with God, but walk in darkness (without Christ), 1John 1:6.

I know that you see 1John 1:8 as referring to Christians. But the problem you have is that your understanding of 1john 1:8 contradicts 1John 3:9 which says that Christians cannot sin. Also your claim suggests that Christians are still under the law for righteousness as sin is transgression of the law (1John 3:4), in spite of the many scriptures stating that we're not under the law.

So, you believe that you cannot sin? Hmmm, that is very interesting, Paul disagrees...

Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Present tense.

Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

And he wrote this 20 some years after his conversion. He says his only hope is that Christ forgives him and gives him grace...

Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

But notice that he still struggled against sin after 20+ years of conversion. But you do not, you are perfect and do not sin? By the way, notice what he served?

Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

He served the Law of God.

Praise God that Jesus fullfilled the law for us as none of us is a doer (perfect obedience) of the law. And remember that you have already confessed that you are still not a doer of the law. You are guilty of all the law (james 2:10).

And you are not guilty because you do not acknowledge the Law? Ignorance of the Law is an excuse? Again, the words of Paul...

Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

Because of this...

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Rom 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
Rom 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

And then Paul goes on to say...

Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

And here I was expecting to see this verse thusly...

Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; except for haz

But that is not there is it? It simply says all have sinned. Then John goes on to say this...

1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

But it really doesn't mean this? It means something else?

Sin is transgression of the law (1John 3:4)
Sin is unrighteousness, (1John 5:17)
Sin is unbelief in Jesus (John 16:9).

Anyone under the law (non-believers) who fails to obey it perfectly, is unrighteous.
Anyone (non-believers) not under the law is unrighteous as they have nothing to show for righteousness.

But, for Christians, our faith is counted for righteousness, Rom 4:5.
So what sin can be charged against us?
Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. Rom 8:33

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

The author (I believe it to be Paul) says here that wilfully sinning (I John 3:4) is doeing despite to the Spirit of grace. How is that possible? Just as it says, wilfully breaking the Law is treading under foot the sacrifice of Christ.


Why would you think that a Christian would suddenly want to go out and steal, etc, etc because they are not under the law for righteousness?

Because of Paul's writings...

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

Jas 4:5 Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy?
Jas 4:6 But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.

As Christians we love one another.
I have no desire to steal, etc.
And Christians will all be at different stages of growth. Some will show little to no improvement in behavior (such as the thief on the cross) and some much improvement. But our behavior is not how our righteousness is determined.

Interesting, you are far better than Paul.

And this is where we differ. You are judging righteousness and salvation based on how good a life one lives.

Adn you are attributing to me something that isn't true. Hmmm, isn't that a false accusation? coming from one that doesn't sin?

Hence my questions to you asking for details from scripture to support your doctrine that some minimum standard of behavior is required for one to be saved.

So, Christ says to keep the Commandments but that is mty doctrine. John quotes Christ in Revelation saying to keep the Commandments and that is my doctrine. John says the saints keep the Commandments (Rev 14:12) and that is my doctrine. That is not my doctrine, that is simply what the Eord of God says. I ahve NEVER said that keeping the Commandments can save someone. I have constantly quoted this...

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Another misrepresentation from someone who does not sin?

[qutoe]Whenever I've asked this question of those who preach works of the law for righteousness, they either speak of perfect obedience to the law being required or they allude to some ambiguous level of obedience as the requirement. Neither of these views is supported in scripture for salvation.

And I have consistently said that we are not able to perfectly obey, that is where God's grace comes in.

[qutoe]You quote scriptures about keeping the commandments, but you yourself have admitted that you don't keep them. In fact your guilty of all of them (james 2:10).[/quote]

Adn you are not, because you deny you should? I just pointed out two false accusations. Uh-oh, you have broken them all, now what?

Can you show scripture to support the doctrine you follow that striving to obey the commandments the best you can is needed to prove ones righteousness? And how much striving is required to prove this? Without answers to these questions we're all in the dark as to whether we're saved or not under such doctrines.

I CANNOT quote scripture to show that keeping the Commandments proves one's righteousness because I have never said that. Oh no, that is number three in the column of misrepresenting the truth.

Also consider how this doctrine you follow also suggests that God is unjust.
The thief on the cross entered into paradise without any striving over deeds of the law, for his salvation. He believed in Jesus and was saved, as the gosepl says.

But the doctrine you follow says that anyone without deathbed salvation has further hurdles to overcome. They have to attain some ambiguous level of obedience to the law and God won't even tell them how much obedince is satisfactory enough to receive salvation.

These are my issues with the doctrine you follow.

You have some serious issues alright. You have misrepresented the truth at least three times. Wow, that violates this...

Exo 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

Now you are guilty of all.

Just for your information, the thief did not enter Paradise that day. The comma is in the wrong place, Christ told him that day that he would be (in the future) in Paradise.

 

[GreenNnice]

Some of you are off topic on this thread, go somewhere else ,please, to discuss your 'sins.'

This thread is about 'looking on Him,' and, 'believing in Him,' and, receiving 'eternal life' and being raised up in 'the last day'
These things are having us in line doing the will of the Father

 

[GreenNnice]

One MUST believe in God's Love for them in order to receive eternal life

Now, someone was asking about the other (Will of God) thread the Lord led me on doing to having been being about salvation. Hmm, indirectly, yes, it is , but, no, not directly, however, this thread here is DIRECTLY about salvation.

The Lord leads May His Spirit lead us to all truth, in His 'due time.'