What kind of body will we have?

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WeStand

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SavedOne1 said:
I say we meaning those in Christ will have new bodies
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Even those who are not in Christ will have their spiritual bodies returned to them, its our souls that we have now, that will either receive Immortality (eternal time: 1 day = 1000 mortal years) or remain in mortal ( liable to die) time; that we are all residing in temporarily Now. :)

Forever in Christ :)
 
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luciddream1982 said:
This is a friendly discussion and spouting off as you put it is what we do when we see delusional doctrine

I have read some of your post history, I know you got a smart mouth.

Are you possessed or something? I wouldnt doubt it.
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“Smart mouth “

Look who’s talking

You can get personal if you like; it still doesn’t teach in the bible that we get 3 bodies


Philippians3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

That is a testimony from a man of God of the account of what was written in the gospel’s about Jesus’s new body.

And that new body could eat and walk through locked doors, go to see his farther in heaven, disappear and reappear at will.

The example is already set of what kind of body we are going to get in the bible.

There is no 3 bodies in the bible, your just making it up.
 
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serpentslayer

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There is the spiritual, and the there is the natural. And even though the
two can coexist together, one is beyond the constaints of the other, physically speaking. Of course, once in heaven, the glorified might not be able to walk through walls, or disappear and reappear, given that everything will exist in the same realm.
 
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peterT

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serpentslayer said:
There is the spiritual, and the there is the natural. And even though the
two can coexist together, one is beyond the constaints of the other, physically speaking. Of course, once in heaven, the glorified might not be able to walk through walls, or disappear and reappear, given that everything will exist in the same realm.
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serpentslayer Were dos it say or hint in the bible that everything will exist in the same realm?
 
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luciddream1982

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peterT said:
“Smart mouth “

Look who’s talking

You can get personal if you like; it still doesn’t teach in the bible that we get 3 bodies


Philippians3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

That is a testimony from a man of God of the account of what was written in the gospel’s about Jesus’s new body.

And that new body could eat and walk through locked doors, go to see his farther in heaven, disappear and reappear at will.

The example is already set of what kind of body we are going to get in the bible.

There is no 3 bodies in the bible, your just making it up.
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Ok, lets start over...Hi, I'm luciddream1982....pleased to meet you peterT ;)

Philippians3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

"That is a testimony from a man of God of the account of what was written in the gospel’s about Jesus’s new body." You are right, however a man of God also says "but we know that, when he shall appear"

1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
1Co 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
1Co 15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
1Co 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

That which was first is earthly, flesh, made from the earth, and after that comes the spiritual. The body will return to the dust from which it came and then we will have a new heavenly body not in the image of the earthly but in the image of the heavenly because flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.

I read this somewhere...

"When you plant a wheat seed, a big wheat seed does not come up. Instead, a stalk of wheat comes up. So, even though our resurrection bodies come from our present bodies, we should not expect that they will be the same bodies or just "improved" bodies."


 
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1 John 3:2-3


2Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
 
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luciddream1982

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luciddream1982 said:
"That is a testimony from a man of God of the account of what was written in the gospel’s about Jesus’s new body." You are right, however a man of God also says "but we know that, when he shall appear"
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I meant a man of God said " and it doth not yet appear what we shall be:"
 
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luciddream1982

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I believe Jesus resurrected in the same body as he had before he died. I am not convinced he ascended into heaven with that same body. Maybe his flesh body dematerialized during the ascension (just my speculation)

Do you believe Angels have flesh bodies? Did they not appear before Abraham as flesh men and did eat and drink?

Gen 18:2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three MEN stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,

Gen 18:8 And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat.

Gen 19:3 And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.

Gen 19:5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the MEN which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

So what kind of bodies did these Angels have before they appeared to Abraham on earth? What kind of bodies did they have when they returned to heaven? Did they leave a flesh body behind? Did it "change" in the twinkling of an eye as they went back to heaven? Did Jesus's body change in the twinkling of an eye when he ascended back to heaven after his resurrection?

Does that mean Christ doesn't have a body now? Of course not. I believe he does have a body and so do the Angels but it is not of flesh imo.

1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
 
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luciddream1982

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And if you believe that the story of the rich man and Lazarus is true and not a parable then there is more reason to believe we have a spiritual body separate from the flesh body.

Luk 16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

We see in this one verse that it appears Lazarus has a "finger" and the rich man has a "tongue", and there flesh bodies were already dead. Maybe its a stretch for me to use this as an example but I felt it was worth pointing out.
 
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peterT

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luciddream1982 said:
I believe Jesus resurrected in the same body as he had before he died. I am not convinced he ascended into heaven with that same body. Maybe his flesh body dematerialized during the ascension (just my speculation)

Do you believe Angels have flesh bodies? Did they not appear before Abraham as flesh men and did eat and drink?

Gen 18:2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three MEN stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,

Gen 18:8 And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat.

Gen 19:3 And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.

Gen 19:5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the MEN which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

So what kind of bodies did these Angels have before they appeared to Abraham on earth? What kind of bodies did they have when they returned to heaven? Did they leave a flesh body behind? Did it "change" in the twinkling of an eye as they went back to heaven? Did Jesus's body change in the twinkling of an eye when he ascended back to heaven after his resurrection?

Does that mean Christ doesn't have a body now? Of course not. I believe he does have a body and so do the Angels but it is not of flesh imo.

1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
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So, when jesus was resurrected he was resurrected back into his own corrupt body??

And when the angels come down the earth they put off incorruption and put no corruption?? Why so they can relate?


There are two bodies not three. And are first body will return to the dust from which it came

1Co 15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

Can’t you just have faith in the simplicity of God’s word, that Jesus was resurrected into his glorious body as it says?
And we will have are bodies fashioned like unto his glorious body just as it says.

Philippians3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

2 Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

You have three bodies, the flesh and blood body that will return to the dust from which it came.

Some other body that is still of the earth that we put on when we or the angels visit the earth

And another body when we visit the heavens.

You got to try to keep it simple And be aware of the simplicity that is in Christ, otherwise God is going to have to build a big parking lot to park all the bodies that are not being used.
 
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luciddream1982

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I dont believe in three bodies, only two. I believe Jesus resurrected in the same body he died in. He didnt enter into his glorified body until he ascended. It is only assumed his resurrected body was his glorified body, When he ascended then he was in his glorified body." Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption"

If our bodies are going to be just like Jesus's after the resurrection then why does the bible say we dont know what we shall be like?

1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Jesus did unbelievable things in his body before his death. He walked on water, he passed through angry crowds without being hurt and so on.

Just my opinion. Not saying its absolute fact
 
resurrection33

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luciddream1982 said:
I believe it will be physical and have mass. Just made of different material.
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What I am curious about is what would happen if we injure the bodies we receive in the next life. Will it repair itself automatically? Will we need to go to the doctor? If we lose an arm, can we get a new one that is as good as the old one? Will it be impossible to injure ourselves?
 
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luciddream1982

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resurrection33 said:
What I am curious about is what would happen if we injure the bodies we receive in the next life. Will it repair itself automatically? Will we need to go to the doctor? If we lose an arm, can we get a new one that is as good as the old one? Will it be impossible to injure ourselves?
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Rev 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the HEALING of the nations. :p

I'm just kidding....we just have to wait and see
 
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peterT

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luciddream1982 said:
I dont believe in three bodies, only two. I believe Jesus resurrected in the same body he died in. He didnt enter into his glorified body until he ascended. It is only assumed his resurrected body was his glorified body, When he ascended then he was in his glorified body." Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption"

If our bodies are going to be just like Jesus's after the resurrection then why does the bible say we dont know what we shall be like?

1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Jesus did unbelievable things in his body before his death. He walked on water, he passed through angry crowds without being hurt and so on.

Just my opinion. Not saying its absolute fact
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It’s good that you added "its Just my opinion" and "Not saying its absolute fact"
because it doesn’t sound right
so he was resurrected into his old body said a few words then was resurrected age into his glorious body, I don’t think so.

Jesus was killed and as a reward god gives him his crappy corruptible body back. I don’t think so.

It s not the same body he got back before his death it say flesh and bones, not flesh and blood. Plus he went to see his farther in haven then came back and showed himself to the disciples.

And flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of god so he did not go to his farther in the old body. and He didn’t have two bodies going on at the same time.

1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

1Co 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

1Co 15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

Plus you are assuming Jesus disappeared and passed through angry crowds without being hurt.

It does not say that, it says 30 But he passing through the midst of them went his way,

Plus angels come down the earth they put off incorruption and put no corruption, I don’t think so.

His resurrected body was his glorified body,

as it says Philippians3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body,


If we don’t know what his body is like how come we know what it’s like.?

And Jesus disappearing and reappearing at will, and walks through locked doors, and could eat and go and see his father in heaven,
 
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So then I guess we now what we will be like? We will be like Christ was right after his resurrection. That seems to have conflict with 1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
 
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peterT

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luciddream1982 said:
So then I guess we now what we will be like? We will be like Christ was right after his resurrection. That seems to have conflict with 1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
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We don’t know exactly what it’s like, but there is indication in the Bible of somewhat of what it’s like

that new body could eat and walk through locked doors, disappear and reappear.

And we will need that kind of body with super powers if we are to reign with Christ a thousand years.

And we will have bodies like his new body, fashioned like unto his glorious body.

And you could touch it
 
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luciddream1982

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peterT said:
We don’t know exactly what it’s like, but there is indication in the Bible of somewhat of what it’s like

that new body could eat and walk through locked doors, disappear and reappear.

And we will need that kind of body with super powers if we are to reign with Christ a thousand years.

And we will have bodies like his new body, fashioned like unto his glorious body.

And you could touch it
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Fair enough friend.....we shall see....I'm not sure what kind of body we will have. You might be right.
 
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We don’t know exactly what it’s like, but there is indication in the Bible of somewhat of what it’s like.....That means assumptions

 
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