What Laws are still valid to christians
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23Before the coming of this faith,[17] we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.Galatians 3
again already said in one of my post on this topic.
again already said in one of my post on this topic.
I respect much of what you say, but how do you reconcile these scriptures by not agreeing with #4?
4.We have entered into a relationship with God, through Christ Jesus, and know, if our old nature has its way, we will be separated from Him until we ask for forgiveness, and be conquerors of the old nature through Him.
1 Corinthians 15:30-31 (KJV)
[SUP]30 [/SUP]And why stand we in jeopardy every hour?
[SUP]31 [/SUP]I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.
Luke 9:23-24 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.
It seems to evident that my understanding of scripture is different than most in that I believe that our carnal nature is still within us after our salvation takes place. I then call salvation a way of life. Some might believe that we are conformed into the image of Christ in a blink of an eye, and then it's all over, and the carnal nature just goes away forever form that point on. I think that there is a process of events that Christ is involved in 24/7. When we are born, we drink milk and crawl, when we grow up we eat meat and walk. Takes time and effort.
4.We have entered into a relationship with God, through Christ Jesus, and know, if our old nature has its way, we will be separated from Him until we ask for forgiveness, and be conquerors of the old nature through Him.
1 Corinthians 15:30-31 (KJV)
[SUP]30 [/SUP]And why stand we in jeopardy every hour?
[SUP]31 [/SUP]I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.
Luke 9:23-24 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.
It seems to evident that my understanding of scripture is different than most in that I believe that our carnal nature is still within us after our salvation takes place. I then call salvation a way of life. Some might believe that we are conformed into the image of Christ in a blink of an eye, and then it's all over, and the carnal nature just goes away forever form that point on. I think that there is a process of events that Christ is involved in 24/7. When we are born, we drink milk and crawl, when we grow up we eat meat and walk. Takes time and effort.
Answer this. What tells us of our need for salvation, and the need to die daily?
You sound political ...saying "That's not the point. The point, or question should be thus and such."
Seems as though you are saying that the law has no power but to keep us humble. If it's weak it can't be that strong.
in that it was weak through the flesh, is what it says.
It doesn't say in that it was weak through itself, or the weak law never did anything substantial. Claiming what God has given as weak puts all of what God has ever said into question.
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Answer this. What tells us of our need for salvation, and the need to die daily?
You sound political ...saying "That's not the point. The point, or question should be thus and such."
Seems as though you are saying that the law has no power but to keep us humble. If it's weak it can't be that strong.
in that it was weak through the flesh, is what it says.
It doesn't say in that it was weak through itself, or the weak law never did anything substantial. Claiming what God has given as weak puts all of what God has ever said into question.
What is the context? The context is weak in the flesh, It can not save. Are you going to deny this? Can the law make you righteous? NO. Why? YOU CAN:T OBEY IT ENOUGH TO BE RIGHTEOUS.
So what did God have to do? SEND HIS SON.. If the law could save us (if it was strong) Christ would not have had to come.
I am not claiming what God gave is weak. I am claiming what God gave did what it was supposed to do. Not make us righteous, But to PROVE we are unrighteous.
it is strong in doing what it is supposed to do. It is weak in that it can not save us.
If your going to try to be righteous by the law (either for salvation, or in doing good after you are saved) the law has NO POWER..
Why is the body dead because of sin? Because of the law. Still still reigns in our mortal bodies. thus our bodies are still dead. Yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness?? Now who's righteousness is this? Gods or ours??
The law still states you are unrighteous. So it CAN NOT BE THE LAW!
the whole counsel of God - the NT primarily, for in it is the Gospel...and everything needful (certainly enough commandments for our good) for the Christian sanctification and life. the OT is still the counsel of God...but would you prefer to get your instructions from the texts ("manual" and history) your Boss sent out 3000 years ago to the people to whom He revealed His future plan?
or would you read the future Plan in which everything was revealed? The Last Will and Testament of Jesus Christ?
Jesus had to die for the New Will to take effect. why would we go to the Old Will and Testament (which was superceded by the New)?
Jesus and His disciples reiterated every single commandment from God that God desires us to come into obedience to - in the NT. this is not a call to separate or discard the whole counsel of God. that would be discarding half of the History and revealtion of our God to us.
just to discern that everything Christians (the free men) need was confirmed by the Lord Jesus, in keeping with the New Covenant.
or would you read the future Plan in which everything was revealed? The Last Will and Testament of Jesus Christ?
Jesus had to die for the New Will to take effect. why would we go to the Old Will and Testament (which was superceded by the New)?
Jesus and His disciples reiterated every single commandment from God that God desires us to come into obedience to - in the NT. this is not a call to separate or discard the whole counsel of God. that would be discarding half of the History and revealtion of our God to us.
just to discern that everything Christians (the free men) need was confirmed by the Lord Jesus, in keeping with the New Covenant.
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I never said that it could and never will. You’re preaching to the choir.
Again. I agree that the law can’t save us. Wasn’t meant to save us.
There you have the law strength. Wonderful!!
There’s where you are not listening to what I’ve been saying. It had power over us until Christ. It still has power to show us our carnal nature that we all have even after salvation. It shows us our weakness, and our weakness will always be there in the carnal nature even though we are no longer under it.
I never said that I was trying to be righteous by the law. That has never worked and it never will. That’s self righteousness.
All of God is righteous, and all the Words He has ever spoke are righteous. All of what He has shown us is righteous. And what he has shown to us through His righteous Word is that we (carnal nature still with us after salvation) are unrighteous. Hope that makes sense to you.
Again. I agree that the law can’t save us. Wasn’t meant to save us.
There you have the law strength. Wonderful!!
There’s where you are not listening to what I’ve been saying. It had power over us until Christ. It still has power to show us our carnal nature that we all have even after salvation. It shows us our weakness, and our weakness will always be there in the carnal nature even though we are no longer under it.
I never said that I was trying to be righteous by the law. That has never worked and it never will. That’s self righteousness.
All of God is righteous, and all the Words He has ever spoke are righteous. All of what He has shown us is righteous. And what he has shown to us through His righteous Word is that we (carnal nature still with us after salvation) are unrighteous. Hope that makes sense to you.
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Is God really that old?
Because Jesus taught the most of it before he died.
I like the teachings of the Old as well as the New because it’s like music. The crescendo is the last part but the beauty of the whole score from the beginning sends one into those expectations of the complete composition. Having just the last movement makes the ending not as dynamic.
Without something that is old, there can be nothing new. It’s the entire plan that I count as complete. Love and marriage “Ya can’t have one without the other.” You know the old song.
Because Jesus taught the most of it before he died.
I like the teachings of the Old as well as the New because it’s like music. The crescendo is the last part but the beauty of the whole score from the beginning sends one into those expectations of the complete composition. Having just the last movement makes the ending not as dynamic.
Without something that is old, there can be nothing new. It’s the entire plan that I count as complete. Love and marriage “Ya can’t have one without the other.” You know the old song.