What must I do to be saved

[reneweddaybyday]

You challenged me and I met your challenge. I know being corrected by the scriptures is hard to handle. You thought you had something on me and you didn't. Not fun, is it? Just own up and move on and stop protecting your pride.

Your continued reference to an unrelated passage of Scripture does not identify the sower in the parable of the sower.

What would be "fun" (to me) would be for you to let the words of Jesus stand with no input from you. Jesus does not need your help in interpreting the parable of the sower.

That may not be "fun" for you because you appear to hold yourself above the Lord Jesus Christ. Nothing but pride from your vain imagination. And since you like the epistle of 1 John so much, check out 1 John 2:16.

I won't lose respect for you for being wrong. I lose respect for you because you can not admit you were wrong. I promise you will have my complete and total respect if you can admit you were wrong in your baseless and meaningless contention.

Respect from you?

I prefer to stand approved before God when it comes to rightly dividing the Word of Truth.

Read it again and see who is sowing in the hearts of those who believe:

"It is the Spirit who testifies (sows the seed), because the Spirit is the truth.
9If we receive the testimony of men, the testimony of God (the Holy Spirit) is greater
10The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony (of God the Holy Spirit) in himself "-1 John 5:8-10

This is how we know it is God sowing his truth in the Parable of the Sower (through whatever vessel he is using). What we do not know is what vessel specifically is being used to sow the testimony of God in these soils.

You're getting closer ...

I would say the "vessel specifically being used to sow" the seed (which you acknowledge we do not know) is the sower.

No need to go to another unrelated passage in order to bolster your pride in trying to identify that which remains unidentified in God's Word.

The vessel does not even matter--

Right. That is not the point of the parable. That is why Jesus remained silent in that regard.

that makes your contention meaningless. And the scriptures above show your contention to not only be meaningless, but also baseless.

It is not meaningless, nor is it baseless, for me to strenuously implore that you not add to Scripture.

The point is, it's God doing the sowing, so mailman's attempt to make the growth in soil #2 not a planting of God (because it got uprooted) is baseless. He was projecting his 'once saved always saved' bias on the passage and decided that since the 2nd type of soil did not endure in believing that it can not represent the truly saved person but a fake planting of the evil one. A convenient mixing of the use of the 'planting' metaphor in the Bible did not prove his point.

The point is the sower is sowing. You know the "vessel" who "does not even matter"? And who you agree we do not know "what vessel specifically is being used to sow"? That's the sower in the parable.

 

[Deade]

I get what you are saying.

I think for me I never lost my faith but felt he had lost faith in me and rejected me because I was not perfect.

My big issue was my gambling problem along with other things.

The truth is that our identity is in Jesus and what he has done for us.
To reverse it is to say it's not enough.

I understand what you you are saying. My bitterness left me unproductive for a time, but I still believed everything God had taught me and I still desired to share it. I don't think that I was ever unsaved, but I was not productive. What God accomplished during this time I believe I am now a lot more humble.

 

[Jewel5712]

Your continued reference to an unrelated passage of Scripture does not identify the sower in the parable of the sower.

What would be "fun" (to me) would be for you to let the words of Jesus stand with no input from you. Jesus does not need your help in interpreting the parable of the sower.

That may not be "fun" for you because you appear to hold yourself above the Lord Jesus Christ. Nothing but pride from your vain imagination. And since you like the epistle of 1 John so much, check out 1 John 2:16.





Respect from you?

I prefer to stand approved before God when it comes to rightly dividing the Word of Truth.





You're getting closer ...

I would say the "vessel specifically being used to sow" the seed (which you acknowledge we do not know) is the sower.

No need to go to another unrelated passage in order to bolster your pride in trying to identify that which remains unidentified in God's Word.





Right. That is not the point of the parable. That is why Jesus remained silent in that regard.





It is not meaningless, nor is it baseless, for me to strenuously implore that you not add to Scripture.





The point is the sower is sowing. You know the "vessel" who "does not even matter"? And who you agree we do not know "what vessel specifically is being used to sow"? That's the sower in the parable.

I cant believe im actually going into this bees nest again but wasnt the thread called WHAT MUST I DO TO BE SAVED.? So why do we continue this tanget? Answer is simple and biblical...BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND THOU SHALL BE SAVED...

Romans 10:9 New King James Version (NKJV)
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

New King James Version (NKJV)
Scripture taken from the New King James Version®.

There should be no confusion as Satan is the author and manipulator of confusion...its not a hard thing to grasp..why are WE as christians here in this forum MAKING it so complicated???

 

[ljs]

Hi Jewel , and Amen to that !!!

 

[Deade]

Ralph said:

The vessel does not even matter--

Right!

Right. That is not the point of the parable. That is why Jesus remained silent in that regard.

Right! So why do we keep arguing this point?

 

[Jewel5712]

Right!


Right! So why do we keep arguing this point?

Lol..im not arguing sides..just like the cartoon charactor..lol

 

[reneweddaybyday]

I cant believe im actually going into this bees nest again but wasnt the thread called WHAT MUST I DO TO BE SAVED.? So why do we continue this tanget? Answer is simple and biblical...BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND THOU SHALL BE SAVED...

Romans 10:9 New King James Version (NKJV)
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

New King James Version (NKJV)
Scripture taken from the New King James Version®.

There should be no confusion as Satan is the author and manipulator of confusion...its not a hard thing to grasp..why are WE as christians here in this forum MAKING it so complicated???

The OP changed the focus of the discussion when he posted ---

Why do the most intelligent minds in the world reject the Gospel as foolishness. Are they missing something, you can preach the Bible all day to them and they will just think you're even more foolish for wasting your time

 

[Jewel5712]

The OP changed the focus of the discussion when he posted ---

..sad...

 

[reneweddaybyday]

..sad...

Why are you sad?

 

[Jewel5712]

Why are you sad?

I went back to read original post and he really DID change it up didnt he? Lol

 

[theanointedsinner]

As humans..we have freedom of choice and can walk away from God but he patient waits and persues us like the prodigal son who returns home..but he doesnt take our salvation from us..thats thr whole beauty of the cross..so if salvation were lost due to our sin..we would ask forgivenesd..get our salvation back only to lose it again the next time we sin? Thats what Ralph is implying..due to our lack of forgiveness we lose our salvation..MY God doesnt play games that way..

MY God doesnt play games that way.. <-- amen sister

 

[PennEd]

Joy is a fruit of the spirit.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. Galatians 5:22-23​

Yes. Joy is a fruit of the Holy Spirit. This is not the joy the Lord is referring to about the 2nd soil.

I had MANY "joyfull" moments before Salvation. This one time, I drew an inside straight flush playing poker with my buddies, and I can tell you I was plenty joyfull!

The 2nd soil people thought Christianity was all about a lottery ticket win to heaven. But they had NO ROOT IN THEMSELVES. JESUS IS THE ROOT! When they found out that Jesus wasn't a lottery ticket but a Way of Life, they said no thanks.

So they NEVER had Jesus, and were NEVER a born again new creation. They didn't lose Salvation because they NEVER had it to begin with.

 

[fredoheaven]

You continue to believe by always presently believing. The promises are for those who believe (present tense), not for those who used to believe. The word has to remain in you for you to remain in Christ and the Father. The condition for remaining in the Son is that the word remain in you:

24 "As for you, see that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father."-1 John 2:24




And how is present believing not 'faith in Christ alone'?

Well Ralp, the question in Acts 16:31 is an answer to the question of the Philippian Jailor which is the same question of the OP. Eventually, one would answer the question in the present tense since it is in the present need. The resulting of such saving faith at the very moment one believe shall be “saved” which is not a promised being conditional but rather expresses a firm determination. Literally, anyone who placed his faith, trust, believes in Christ alone as his /her Saviour is saved. It doesn’t say “continue to believe” as far as the Bible is concerned. The present to “believe” is written because; it is a present reality need of every sinner just like the Philippian jailor. Again, there is no such thing as in the scriptures as “continue to believe” Your “continue to believe” is to be found nowhere in the scriptures and has nothing to do to get salvation. In particular for being declared righteous or just because of faith, the Bible simply says, “The just shall live by faith” Is there continuity of faith in order to be saved? None! It is all because the just (saved by faith/who believes in Christ ) is to live by faith.

Your comparison from the verse that I cited is actually far from the truth of being saved. The fact of what John has written is about abiding which is not a direct implication to the actual OP and of the question of the Philippian Jailor.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Well Ralp, the question in Acts 16:31 is an answer to the question of the Philippian Jailor which is the same question of the OP. Eventually, one would answer the question in the present tense since it is in the present need. The resulting of such saving faith at the very moment one believe shall be “saved” which is not a promised being conditional but rather expresses a firm determination. Literally, anyone who placed his faith, trust, believes in Christ alone as his /her Saviour is saved. It doesn’t say “continue to believe” as far as the Bible is concerned. The present to “believe” is written because; it is a present reality need of every sinner just like the Philippian jailor. Again, there is no such thing as in the scriptures as “continue to believe” Your “continue to believe” is to be found nowhere in the scriptures and has nothing to do to get salvation. In particular for being declared righteous or just because of faith, the Bible simply says, “The just shall live by faith” Is there continuity of faith in order to be saved? None! It is all because the just (saved by faith/who believes in Christ ) is to live by faith.

Your comparison from the verse that I cited is actually far from the truth of being saved. The fact of what John has written is about abiding which is not a direct implication to the actual OP and of the question of the Philippian Jailor.

I just can't make any sense of this. Ralph says we have to continue in the faith, fredo says, no we have to live by faith. It's like: "This is an apple" then "No it's not, it's an apple!"

 

[mailmandan]

Yes. Joy is a fruit of the Holy Spirit. This is not the joy the Lord is referring to about the 2nd soil.

I had MANY "joyfull" moments before Salvation. This one time, I drew an inside straight flush playing poker with my buddies, and I can tell you I was plenty joyfull!

The 2nd soil people thought Christianity was all about a lottery ticket win to heaven. But they had NO ROOT IN THEMSELVES. JESUS IS THE ROOT! When they found out that Jesus wasn't a lottery ticket but a Way of Life, they said no thanks.

So they NEVER had Jesus, and were NEVER a born again new creation. They didn't lose Salvation because they NEVER had it to begin with.

Amen brother! Well said.

 

[kingofkings]

What must one do to be saved.

I believe God decides who will be saved and who won't.

There are many scriptures which support the view that we don't decide to believe in Christ, but faith in Christ is a gift that God gives only to His elect.

Most folks don't agree with the doctrine of predestination/election, because many other scriptures say things like you must obey and remain faithful to the end etc...

These two opposing views have been debated for centuries, so today we have the benefit of many good good books on the subject but have we arrived at a consensus in the Church.

I would love to see the Church unite and resolve this dividing issue. But I fear that it will continue to be an enigma for the Church. Why can't we let the Bible be the final authority and accept what it really says and unite in the truth.

Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.

 

[kingofkings]

Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.

The question is what does it mean by, eats my flesh and drinks my blood

 

[mailmandan]

The question is what does it mean by, eats my flesh and drinks my blood

Jesus explains the sense of the entire passage when He says, "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life." (John 6:63) As Jesus was accustomed, He used figurative language to emphasize these great spiritual truths.

Jesus is not speaking of cannibolism here, but believing in Christ, as He makes abundantly clear by repeating the same truths both in metaphoric and plain language. Compare for example the following two verses:

“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life” (verse 47).

“He who eats this bread will live forever” (verse 58).

“He who believes” in Christ is equivalent to “he who eats this bread” and the result is the same, eternal life. The parallel is also seen in verses 40 and 54:

“Everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day” (verse 40).

“Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day” (verse 54).

John 6 does not afford any support to the false Roman Catholic doctrine of transubstantiation. On the contrary, it is an emphatic statement on the primacy of faith as the means by which we receive the grace of God. Jesus is the Bread of Life; we eat of Him and are satisfied when we believe in Him.

Bread represents the "staff of life." Sustenance. That which essential to sustain life. Just as bread or sustenance is necessary to maintain physical life, Jesus is all the sustenance necessary for spiritual life.

The source of physical life is blood -- "life is in the blood." As with the bread, just as blood is the empowering or source of life physically, Jesus is all the source of spiritual life necessary.

 

[mailmandan]

I havent seen any of your posts lately encouraging others to be saved but i HAVE seen you constantly trying to defend your warped belief and pass it off as truth and when people dont agree with ..you get even MORE defensive...

So it's not just me.

 

[Ralph-]

Literally, anyone who placed his faith, trust, believes in Christ alone as his /her Saviour is saved.

Yep. No question about it. You are saved the moment you place your trust for the forgiveness of sin in Christ.

Right now you're reading that and thinking, "see, salvation can not be lost; they are saved". This is that famous circular reasoning of the 'once saved always saved' movement I was talking about. It goes like this: "We know a person can not lose their salvation because they are saved, and saved people can't lose their salvation".

I view salvation like a man running into a storm shelter to be saved from the storm and he remains safe from the storm as long as he stays in the shelter. You view salvation like a man running into the storm shelter to be saved from the storm and him never being able to leave the safety of the shelter (traditional 'once saved always saved'), or, you say that the man can leave the shelter and still be saved no matter what happens to him away from the shelter (new Freegrace 'once saved always saved').

And to add another point to the traditional version of 'once saved always saved', if your body is found outside floating face down in the debris of the storm that means you were never in the storm shelter to begin with.

But when one examines ALL the counsel of the Bible about security and assurance of salvation you will see that the version of the shelter and being saved is what the Bible actually teaches.