What must I do to be saved

[Ralph-]

The parable of the Prodigal son refutes your belief in transitional salvation.

I think what you're actually saying is your doctrine refutes the passages of scripture I posted. And you're using the story of the Prodigal Son to do that.

Biblical security of salvation does not cause scripture to contradict itself like your doctrine does.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

As I have explained countless times before, we have faith when we hear, the Gospel, or hear God speak, however the faith we have must be activated from it's dormant state by the corresponding action of obedience, for the faith we have to come "alive" and produce the intended divine result.

Has it ever occurred to you that all are given faith; that faith is "dormant"; and once we hear the Gospel and are obedient, faith is activated and produces the intended divine result?

 

[OstrichSmiling]

I think what you're actually saying is your doctrine refutes the passages of scripture I posted. And you're using the story of the Prodigal Son to do that.

Biblical security of salvation does not cause scripture to contradict itself like your doctrine does.

Then Peter is destined for Hell? Since he denied Christ three times before the cock crowed.

Jesus doctrine says his sheep know his voice, and he knows their name. And he says that no one will ever take us, his sheep, from his hand. Were Christ to mean we could remove ourselves from there he would have said so. He never does.

 

[Dem]

Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and the rest of the apostles, Brethren, what shall we do?
Act 2:38 And Peter said unto them, Repent ye, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ unto the remission of your sins; and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Ok thats that lets move on

 

[justpassinthrough]

Has it ever occurred to you that all are given faith; that faith is "dormant"; and once we hear the Gospel and are obedient, faith is activated and produces the intended divine result?

We who hear the Gospel have faith.

When we obey the Gospel we activate the faith we received by hearing the Gospel, in which it produces the intended divine result of justification.


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[justpassinthrough]

Then Peter is destined for Hell? Since he denied Christ three times before the cock crowed.

He repented.

Returning to Lord and was forgiven and restored like the prodigal son.


Judas didn’t repent, but hung himself.




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[OstrichSmiling]

He repented.

Returning to Lord and was forgiven and restored like the prodigal son.


Judas didn’t repent, but hung himself.




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Did the prodigal son stop being his fathers son at any time?

 

[justpassinthrough]

in that culture, when the son asked his father for his share of his inheritance , he effectively told his father " I wish you were dead ".

so, it is safe to say that due to the son saying what he said, then taking the money and leaving the country, the father felt like his son was dead.

Lost = Seperated from God; a sinner in need of repentance - unjust


Found = Reconciled to God; Justified



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[justpassinthrough]

Did the prodigal son stop being his fathers son at any time?

You mean like the sons of God who were cast into hell for their disobedience during the days of Noah?


How about Lucifer.


Is he still a son of God?


When a son of God wanders away and becomes lost, he must repent as a sinner to be reconciled back to God.


19 Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, 20 let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins. James 5:19-20

• let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death

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[reneweddaybyday]

We who hear the Gospel have faith.

Your statement conflicts with what is written in Scripture. Rom 10:18 tells us have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.

Some hear the gospel but reject what is heard. This does not mean they do not have faith. I just means their faith remains feeble.

When we obey the Gospel we activate the faith we received by hearing the Gospel, in which it produces the intended divine result of justification.

My understanding is that faith is already present in the hearer. Faith is activated when Scripture is not rejected by the hearer. God then works within the hearer to bring increase and faith grows stronger. If the Word of God is rejected, faith remains weak.

 

[OstrichSmiling]

You mean like the sons of God who were cast into hell for their disobedience during the days of Noah?

No, I was asking about the Prodigal son. Did the prodigal son stop being his fathers son at any time?

Yes, Peter repented as you said. So too did Judas. Matthew 27:3. By that token then Judas was as Peter was.

 

[justpassinthrough]

Your statement conflicts with what is written in Scripture. Rom 10:18 tells us have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.

I answered this before.

You receive faith by hearing the Gospel.

Just because someone hears the Gospel doesn’t mean they get saved.

Just because a person hears the Gospel and thereby receives faith by that hearing, doesn’t insure they will believe and obey.

It is by faith and the work of obedience that the faith they receive when they hear is activated, to produce the divine result of salvation.


For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Romans 10:10

• with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

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[Deade]

Your statement conflicts with what is written in Scripture. Rom 10:18 tells us have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.

Some hear the gospel but reject what is heard. This does not mean they do not have faith. I just means their faith remains feeble.





My understanding is that faith is already present in the hearer. Faith is activated when Scripture is not rejected by the hearer. God then works within the hearer to bring increase and faith grows stronger. If the Word of God is rejected, faith remains weak.

Do you have some scripture to back that or is it just a gut feeling? The word of God does not just go out for converts, it also can be for a witness against people.

Matt. 24:14 "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."

Matt. 10:14 "And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet."

 

[Deade]

Well peeps it is an old man's bedtime. Mayo ketchup with you mañana.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

I answered this before.

You receive faith by hearing the Gospel.

An unbeliever hears the Gospel and receives faith because faith by hearing and hearing by Word of God.

Just because someone hears the Gospel doesn’t mean they get saved.

An unbeliever receives faith (because he/she heard the Gospel and because faith by hearing and hearing by Word of God). But this does not mean he/she gets saved.

Just because a person hears the Gospel and thereby receives faith by that hearing, doesn’t insure they will believe and obey.

Right. An unbeliever can receive faith by hearing and hearing by Word of God and still suppress the truth in unrighteousness (Rom 1:18).

It is by faith and the work of obedience that the faith they receive when they hear is activated, to produce the divine result of salvation.

Is salvation a gift or is it earned through our "work of obedience"?

For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Romans 10:10

• with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

The word "confession" is the Greek word homologeō and it means to say the same thing as, to agree with.

Someone shares the Word of God with us and we agree; we say the same thing as the Word of God (i.e. confess (agree) Jesus Christ is Lord and that God raised Him from the dead).

On the other hand, if someone shares the Word of God with us and we do not agree, that is suppressing the truth in unrighteousness (Rom 1:18).

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Do you have some scripture to back that or is it just a gut feeling? The word of God does not just go out for converts, it also can be for a witness against people.

Matt. 24:14 "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."

Matt. 10:14 "And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet."

I believe Rom 12:3 (according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith) relates to all. Some believe that the measure of faith is given only to those who are born again.

 

[mailmandan]

Just because a person hears the Gospel and thereby receives faith by that hearing, doesn’t insure they will believe and obey.

It is by faith and the work of obedience that the faith they receive when they hear is activated, to produce the divine result of salvation.
When we obey the Gospel we activate the faith we received by hearing the Gospel, in which it produces the intended divine result of justification.

There it is and even though you continue to deny it, you clearly teach salvation by faith "plus works."

 

[justpassinthrough]

An unbeliever hears the Gospel and receives faith because faith by hearing and hearing by Word of God.

Yes. Now it’s it up to them to believe.

An unbeliever receives faith (because he/she heard the Gospel and because faith by hearing and hearing by Word of God). But this does not mean he/she gets saved.

An unbeliever gets saved by believing/obeying the Gospel, not just by hearing the Gospel.


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[justpassinthrough]

Is salvation a gift or is it earned through our "work of obedience"?

Confessing Jesus as Lord is obeying the Gospel.


This is how a person receives the gift of being in Christ, whereby they are born again.



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[justpassinthrough]

I believe Rom 12:3 (according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith) relates to all. Some believe that the measure of faith is given only to those who are born again.

For I say, through the grace given to me, to everyone who is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think soberly, as God has dealt to each one a measure of faith. 4 For as we have many members in one body, but all the members do not have the same function, 5 so we, being many, are one body in Christ, and individually members of one another. 6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, let us use them: if prophecy, let us prophesyin proportion to our faith; 7 or ministry, let us use it in our ministering; he who teaches, in teaching; 8 he who exhorts, in exhortation; he who gives, with liberality; he who leads, with diligence; he who shows mercy, with cheerfulness.
Romans 12:3-8


This refers to believers who have received a measure of faith for ministry.



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