"What must I do to be saved?"
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Here is your problem
You are up against centuries of Christian experience
By experience I mean that the washing away of sins and the new birth are not just doctrines which we learn but it is something that really happens inside us which we feel and are aware of, We EXPERIENCE the wonderful peace of Christ, our hearts are made exceedingly glad by the Holy Spirit. We know that our sins have been washed away, a change has happened to us. We are saved.
I was saved 6 weeks before I was baptised, I was not more saved after I was baptised, nothing was imparted to me by baptism except perhaps the satisfaction of having obeyed the Lord and testifying my death to the world and life from God.
So say MILLIONS of Christians down the centuries of time.
What you are preaching must make us wonder whether YOU have truly experienced salvation and the new birth. If you say you have I am happy to take your word for it but I guarantee you never experienced salvation through baptism.
The Salvation Army which in it's glory days was a mighty movement for the salvation of souls have never baptised. General Booth did not want any to trust themselves to external devices in the matter of salvation.
You are up against centuries of Christian experience
By experience I mean that the washing away of sins and the new birth are not just doctrines which we learn but it is something that really happens inside us which we feel and are aware of, We EXPERIENCE the wonderful peace of Christ, our hearts are made exceedingly glad by the Holy Spirit. We know that our sins have been washed away, a change has happened to us. We are saved.
I was saved 6 weeks before I was baptised, I was not more saved after I was baptised, nothing was imparted to me by baptism except perhaps the satisfaction of having obeyed the Lord and testifying my death to the world and life from God.
So say MILLIONS of Christians down the centuries of time.
What you are preaching must make us wonder whether YOU have truly experienced salvation and the new birth. If you say you have I am happy to take your word for it but I guarantee you never experienced salvation through baptism.
The Salvation Army which in it's glory days was a mighty movement for the salvation of souls have never baptised. General Booth did not want any to trust themselves to external devices in the matter of salvation.
Thank you for explaining your position. What saddens me is that so many refuse to accept what is written. And that is the experience of having one's sins remitted occurs at the point of obedience to water baptism. For, it is written, that obedience to water baptism is when sins are remitted; it is the counsel of God. And without exception, none can enter heaven without first having their sins washed away and being indwelt with the Holy Spirit just as they did in Acts 2:4. (a separate experience from water baptism)
Again, remember it is written, "...be baptized and wash away thy sins calling on the name of the Lord." According to these words, our sins are washed away when we get baptized in the wonderful name of Jesus.
May God Bless.
Again, remember it is written, "...be baptized and wash away thy sins calling on the name of the Lord." According to these words, our sins are washed away when we get baptized in the wonderful name of Jesus.
May God Bless.
Paul is instructing these men of Athens, who are born again, that the unknown God that they worship (Acts 17:23) is not far from every one of us, for in him we live, and move, and have our being, (Act s 17:28) of certain also of your own poets have said, for we also are his offspring (Acts 17:28).
Paul tells them at the times of their ignorance God winked at, but now commands all of the born again men everywhere who are ignorant of this knowledge to repent.
No, I don't think so. Jesus has never "forsaken" the Church and subsequently "gathered" us in "mercy".
These passages can only be speaking to Israel the nation.
Isa 54:5
For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.
Isa 54:6
For the LORD hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God.
Isa 54:7
For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee.
Isa 54:8
In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the LORD thy Redeemer.
These passages can only be speaking to Israel the nation.
Isa 54:5
For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.
Isa 54:6
For the LORD hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God.
Isa 54:7
For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee.
Isa 54:8
In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the LORD thy Redeemer.
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Spiritual Israel is not the same as the nation of Israel. Spiritual Israel is comprised of people of all nations (Rev 5:9)
Zeph 3:11-13 - Most of spiritual Israel turned away from God, and began worshiping idols, (children of the desolate that bears no fruit) but God will restore them all. God left in the midst of them a remnant that shall trust in the name of the Lord (children that bears fruit of the married wife )
I have brought to your attention previously that the wide gate (spiritual Israel who have gone astray ) and the straight gate (the remnant of Israel) in Matt 7, and Ezk 10:10, the outer wheel, harmonizing with the wide gate, and the inner wheel harmonizing with the straight gate.
These are all God's children who have the promise of an eternal inheritance. As I have also stated, the inspired scriptures were written as instructions for God's people in how God wants them to live their lives as they sojourn here on earth.
Zeph 3:11-13 - Most of spiritual Israel turned away from God, and began worshiping idols, (children of the desolate that bears no fruit) but God will restore them all. God left in the midst of them a remnant that shall trust in the name of the Lord (children that bears fruit of the married wife )
I have brought to your attention previously that the wide gate (spiritual Israel who have gone astray ) and the straight gate (the remnant of Israel) in Matt 7, and Ezk 10:10, the outer wheel, harmonizing with the wide gate, and the inner wheel harmonizing with the straight gate.
These are all God's children who have the promise of an eternal inheritance. As I have also stated, the inspired scriptures were written as instructions for God's people in how God wants them to live their lives as they sojourn here on earth.
In the OT, God gave some people the gift of the Holy Spirit. It could be taken away (Ps 51:11; 1 Sam 16:14). Since Pentecost, the Holy Spirit is born in people, and cannot be revoked.
John 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
The way we have the Holy Spirit today is different than the way the OT believers did.
They were not born again.
If you want to harmonize all the scriptures, you'll have to abandon Calvinism...
John 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
The way we have the Holy Spirit today is different than the way the OT believers did.
They were not born again.
If you want to harmonize all the scriptures, you'll have to abandon Calvinism...
In the OT, God gave some people the gift of the Holy Spirit. It could be taken away (Ps 51:11; 1 Sam 16:14). Since Pentecost, the Holy Spirit is born in people, and cannot be revoked.
John 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
The way we have the Holy Spirit today is different than the way the OT believers did.
They were not born again.
If you want to harmonize all the scriptures, you'll have to abandon Calvinism...
John 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
The way we have the Holy Spirit today is different than the way the OT believers did.
They were not born again.
If you want to harmonize all the scriptures, you'll have to abandon Calvinism...
John 3:3, says except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Does this mean that the old testament saints will not see heaven?
Your theology implies that Christ died on the cross, as an offer, to redeem all mankind to heaven, but in order to get to heaven, they have to accept that offer. How do those, from creation to the cross, get saved eternally? Scripture back up please.