What of the dinosaurs?

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Next, note that Jesus' disciples didn't teach the word using parables after Jesus left, but went right into spirit talk. What Jesus preached laid the foundation for their message, what the Holy Spirit came to teach beyond that of Jesus.
 
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Psalm 78:2 I will open my mouth with a parable; I will utter hidden things, things from of old—

Ezekiel 24:3 Tell this rebellious people a parable and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: “‘Put on the cooking pot; put it on and pour water into it.

Hosea 12:10 I spoke to the prophets, gave them many visions and told parables through them.”

Matthew 13:13 This is why I speak to them in parables: “Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand.

Matthew 13:35 So was fulfilled what was spoken through the prophet: “I will open my mouth in parables, I will utter things hidden since the creation of the world.”


And so, should I really put on the cooking pot?
Not sure what you intend by the cooking pot.

Matthew 13 was the moment Jesus spoke to a perticular multitude of hearers, speaking 100% parables in fulfillment of prophecies. But Jesus sent that multitude away. Note that in Matthew 5 in His sermon on the mount He didn't teach with parables. Nor did Jesus teach exclusively in parables after Mt 13, but mixed words of wisdom among fewer parables.

What am I missing, why that list of verses? Jesus explained His parables to His disciples whenever they asked. Even with the fully disclosed plan before them they missed it like everyone else that didn't get the interpretations. But it was Jesus' will his apostles would eventually see it all plainly.

With that done, Peter, Paul, James, et.al were equipped to carry on the gospel with understanding. Modern readers have no excuse not understanding. The big problem is lack of reading, and greater lack of studying the scriptures. An easy to detect problem is yanking verses out of context to make some religious or secular point that Jesus and the apostles would object to.
 
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Not sure what you intend by the cooking pot.

Matthew 13 was the moment Jesus spoke to a perticular multitude of hearers, speaking 100% parables in fulfillment of prophecies. But Jesus sent that multitude away. Note that in Matthew 5 in His sermon on the mount He didn't teach with parables. Nor did Jesus teach exclusively in parables after Mt 13, but mixed words of wisdom among fewer parables.

What am I missing, why that list of verses? Jesus explained His parables to His disciples whenever they asked. Even with the fully disclosed plan before them they missed it like everyone else that didn't get the interpretations. But it was Jesus' will his apostles would eventually see it all plainly.

With that done, Peter, Paul, James, et.al were equipped to carry on the gospel with understanding. Modern readers have no excuse not understanding. The big problem is lack of reading, and greater lack of studying the scriptures. An easy to detect problem is yanking verses out of context to make some religious or secular point that Jesus and the apostles would object to.
To each its own, is one phrased that I've heard a lot as a child. God is able to do many multiples of task at once, and which we can only do a few at a time, and that is why it says that God cannot be mocked. The word "Moses" means in Hebrew,"Drawn from", but in Egyptian's language, it means, "Son". Jesus has said that He was the Light, Truth and so on... And by us not having the Spirit in us, we look over hidden messages that is in the scriptures. Everyone perception is different from another. And so God had to communicate in different style that the one that He is communicating to can relate to His message. The word ,"son" actually means,"brought forth or Branch". And "Drawn from" is another way that can also be use as. So this is the reason that it seem that Moses has two different meanings, because if you are Egyptian, you'll perceive it in one way, and if you were a Jew, you'll perceive it in another way, but it is one spiritual meaning that could only be felt one way.
 
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And so, should I really put on the cooking pot?
So you being an expert on dinosaur fossils and all, how old do you think this one will turn out to be after the research is done?

Castle River fossil discovery believed to be new dinosaur - Calgary - CBC News

My guess at the moment is 80 million years old. But of course, I'll wait until the research is done and I'll go with what the overwhelming evidence indicates.

Young Earth Creationists already know this fossil is less than 6,000 years old. Their scientific methods allow fossils to be dated before they are even examined.
 
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So you being an expert on dinosaur fossils and all, how old do you think this one will turn out to be after the research is done?

Castle River fossil discovery believed to be new dinosaur - Calgary - CBC News

My guess at the moment is 80 million years old. But of course, I'll wait until the research is done and I'll go with what the overwhelming evidence indicates.

Young Earth Creationists already know this fossil is less than 6,000 years old. Their scientific methods allow fossils to be dated before they are even examined.
You know that they are going to bring their good book out and it will tell them to add some more zeros at the end of its real age. But to from my Good Book, it's around 5,000 yrs old.

 
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Did you know that there is a movie in the works about Cope and Marsh?

Bone Wars: Steve Carell and James Gandolfini to Play Battling Paleontologists | WIRED

Unfortunately, Gandolfini died shortly after this article was written.

So I don't know where the movie stands at the moment, but it would appear that there are some acting jobs available. Perhaps you should look into it.

Yes, I could see you and several others who have been posting here playing the role of dinosaur bones.
I was not aware of this movie, very interesting stuff right here. Heh, I was just thinking the other day while reading through some Cope and Marsh stuff how really putting their theories aside, just the story for their own time, the conflict between eachother, the high intrigue and political facet could make a possibly interesting tv drama series. However, I would also think sadly that Cope and Marsh just ain't mainstream enough to interest a large tv audience.

Lol, Western Science History, and really just history in general is full of intrigue, dubious politicking, and high drama. It is actually a lot more common than is taught. Another very popular scientific feud that has been going around with some of my friends that are nerdy enough to care about this stuff is interest in Tesla and Edison. Both their interpersonal relationship, but also of course each man individually.
 
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I was not aware of this movie, very interesting stuff right here. Heh, I was just thinking the other day while reading through some Cope and Marsh stuff how really putting their theories aside, just the story for their own time, the conflict between eachother, the high intrigue and political facet could make a possibly interesting tv drama series. However, I would also think sadly that Cope and Marsh just ain't mainstream enough to interest a large tv audience.

Lol, Western Science History, and really just history in general is full of intrigue, dubious politicking, and high drama. It is actually a lot more common than is taught. Another very popular scientific feud that has been going around with some of my friends that are nerdy enough to care about this stuff is interest in Tesla and Edison. Both their interpersonal relationship, but also of course each man individually.
Now see, we do almost agree on something. I think this would make a great TV dramatic series. Do you watch "Hell on Wheels" on AMC? Awesome.

The setting for your new dramatic series of course is mostly Montana, for those who don't know. The story starts with the Clovis people finding dinosaur bones around 12,000 BC. Then we move ahead to tribes like the Cheyenne and Crow moving into Montana somewhere around 1700 AD. The Native Americans found many dinosaur bones and did some odd things with them.

The real start of the Bone Wars was when a geologist named Hayden doing a U.S Geological Survey found dinosaur bones in 1855 and sent them to Joseph Leidy, considered to be the father of vertebrae paleontology, in Philly. Leidy was an anatomy professor at the U. of PA and affiliated with the Academy of Natural Sciences. Cope was a student of Leidy's and also worked at the Academy.

So Cope didn't go to Montana until 1872. What happened between 1855 and 1872 as far as individuals attempting to get more dinosaur bones?

Of course during this time there was significant conflict with the Indians and the discovery of gold at various places in Montana.

Throw in some mountain men like Jim Bridger. And women. A female heroine and women who follow the gold.

A whole lot of material to work with.
 
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Maybe the moss on my pillow is actually extraterrestrial foam from the aliens who planted human life on Earth.

That's how irrational you sound. Just because something cannot be scientifically explained at this present moment, does not mean that there must be an extramundane, metaphysical explanation for it. What you are presenting is an argument from ignorance. You're saying 'we can't scientifically explain it, thus is must have been an omnipresent creator'.

I can't scientifically explain how I got home last weekend after a few too many beers, it doesn't mean that God personally carried me there!
Maybe you never had left the house in the first place, remember, you were drunk. I had actually posted that video because there's a part in the video that show that they had found another man made structure underwater; the other one was found the water near Cuba, and so evidence of a great flood is coming to life.
 
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Maybe you never had left the house in the first place, remember, you were drunk.
Maybe you were drunk when you said that the dinosaur fossil from Alberta is around 5,000 years old.

I'll give you another chance. How long ago do you think the Clovis people were in Montana and found some dinosaur bones?

Here's an article from a reputable scientific journal entitled "The genome of a Late Pleistocene human from a Clovis burial site in western Montana" to help you:

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v506/n7487/full/nature13025.html

The articles says the human bones are approximately 12,707 - 12,556 years old.

And in your scientific opinion the bones are how old?
 
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Here is something I have never been able to figure out. Dinosaur fossils have been found for a very long time and according to todays science they are thousands possibly millions of years old. But I don't get it, the bible doesn't speak of T rex's attacking ppl. When exactly did they roam the earth? because God created the earth in seven days on the sixth day created man okay so did the dinosaurs go around eating mankind from the very creation of the world then one day were wiped out?

If I was in a debate with an athiest trying to get him to accept God and he brought this up I would be clueless

If you are a YEC in a debate with a non-theist...then you will lose...
 
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If you are a YEC in a debate with a non-theist...then you will lose...
In my opinion there is no "losing" since there is no real debate from them. When a real Christian debater comes up they warn each other to avoid contact, then hold on to unfounded denials of science facts that threaten their religion of Naturalism. I had to take many science courses under atheist evolutionist instructors, have never been afraid to be exposed to their designs, but never knew of one attending a seminar given by a scientist who believes Genesis literally, unless planted to disrupt a meeting. Regardless of the expertise of a "creationist" that often never ties the Bible to a presentation in public, they are cast off like dandruff by atheists who will never listen to a word of it just because of the speaker's testimony. They base their disbelief of Christian scientists mostly upon what they find on atheist websites, while some Christian sites that don't use a lot of wisdom towards ministering to atheists add to their fire. You can't lose what's already lost, souls bound for destruction.

I have met at least a dozen pastors who have bought in to evolution, and find in them the clue as to why their doctrine is usually strangely off, even in contempt of their denominational fundamentals. Once a person accepts it, the deception grows like a cancer, and the logical conclusion is to question Jesus and in effect the rest of the Bible. Their ministries have become mere jobs to make a living from. Those churches are dwindling quickly, having a form of godliness but denying the power thereof. If Genesis can't be taken literally, then none of it can be among the deceived. The RCC accepted evolution, "progressing" to acceptance of gay unions, for example, like some protestant groups that went before the Catholics. A great danger is growing today, many Christians on the verge of believing the great lie, slowly becoming disciples of error.
 
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What y'all are forgetting is that the Earth was created millions of years ago and man was created some 6,000 years ago. There was stuff here before Adam and we are digging this stuff up and trying to mate it to modern day which won't happen and hence evolution.
 
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There was "stuff" before Adam and Eve .... no doubt

... and scads of it

This is what the bone peddlers are looking at

Satan's play ground .... and most likely some of his meddling with the production of the reptilians

What was this diabolical fallen angel capable of doing ..... and why is he referred to as a serpent himself in scripture?

Connection? .... possible

We do not know because the Lord has not chosen to reveal the details

But what ever Satan was engaged in ... the one who walked the stones of fire, the Lord trashed all of it

.... and the devil ended up with nothing .... no place in a darkened universe to rage in

And when the Lord turned on the lights about 6000 years ago .... who immediately showed up on the earth?

Was this planet familiar to him and did he promote the dinosaur wars for his own entertainment before the Lord's judgment came?
 
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What y'all are forgetting is that the Earth was created millions of years ago and man was created some 6,000 years ago. There was stuff here before Adam and we are digging this stuff up and trying to mate it to modern day which won't happen and hence evolution.
Atheists still trust faulty dating methods, anything to find a way out of believing God at His word. The only stuff here before Adam predated him by a few days. While at it they scoff over the Genesis flood, which Jesus stood by. It produced almost all the present sedimentary record in less than a literal year.
 
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In my opinion there is no "losing" since there is no real debate from them. When a real Christian debater comes up they warn each other to avoid contact, then hold on to unfounded denials of science facts that threaten their religion of Naturalism. I had to take many science courses under atheist evolutionist instructors, have never been afraid to be exposed to their designs, but never knew of one attending a seminar given by a scientist who believes Genesis literally, unless planted to disrupt a meeting. Regardless of the expertise of a "creationist" that often never ties the Bible to a presentation in public, they are cast off like dandruff by atheists who will never listen to a word of it just because of the speaker's testimony. They base their disbelief of Christian scientists mostly upon what they find on atheist websites, while some Christian sites that don't use a lot of wisdom towards ministering to atheists add to their fire. You can't lose what's already lost, souls bound for destruction.

I have met at least a dozen pastors who have bought in to evolution, and find in them the clue as to why their doctrine is usually strangely off, even in contempt of their denominational fundamentals. Once a person accepts it, the deception grows like a cancer, and the logical conclusion is to question Jesus and in effect the rest of the Bible. Their ministries have become mere jobs to make a living from. Those churches are dwindling quickly, having a form of godliness but denying the power thereof. If Genesis can't be taken literally, then none of it can be among the deceived. The RCC accepted evolution, "progressing" to acceptance of gay unions, for example, like some protestant groups that went before the Catholics. A great danger is growing today, many Christians on the verge of believing the great lie, slowly becoming disciples of error.
Really???? I accept evolution because the evidence of a six thousand year old Earth is zilch apart from a literalistic interpretation of allegorical mythological text passed down through generations as a moral parable of the progression of a human life. Facing scientific facts doesn't make you a spiritual cancer patient. Step back a bit.
 
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Really???? I accept evolution because the evidence of a six thousand year old Earth is zilch apart from a literalistic interpretation of allegorical mythological text passed down through generations as a moral parable of the progression of a human life. Facing scientific facts doesn't make you a spiritual cancer patient. Step back a bit.
Proverbs 26:12


12 Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him.
 
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Atheists still trust faulty dating methods, anything to find a way out of believing God at His word. The only stuff here before Adam predated him by a few days. While at it they scoff over the Genesis flood, which Jesus stood by. It produced almost all the present sedimentary record in less than a literal year.
Not a single thing in this silly post is true.

At what point are you reduced to lying simpleton?

Here is an example of the reliability of just one dating method:
carbon1450000years2.jpg

There are dozens and they all match.

Consider just two of the Psalms;

Psalm 19:1 The heavens are telling of the glory of God;
And their expanse is declaring the work of His hands.
2 Day to day pours forth speech,
And night to night reveals knowledge. (New American Standard Bible)

Psalm 85:11 reads, “Truth springs from the earth; and righteousness looks down from heaven.” The Hebrew word translated here as “truth,” emet, basically means “certainty and dependability.”


James 1
13. Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am being tempted by God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt anyone.

So, the physical creation is a divine revelation, and it is to be trusted as certain. Plus, God does not lie.

Then the Earth is 4.5 billion years old, and evolution happens.


[FONT=&quot]Romans 2:[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]24. For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.[/FONT]

Creationists should stop lying. If they believed in God and the Bible, they would stop lying.

I do not expect them to stop.


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1. Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, knowing that as such we will incur a stricter judgment.

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Here is an example of the reliability of just one dating method:
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Radiometric dating methods have a long record of producing inconsistent results. Data that doesn't match up has been discarded.

What second dating method has been used to double-check the reliability of the radiometric dating methods?
 
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The dinos are extinct and have been for at least 6000 years .... maybe a very much longer time

Genesis has the record .... sometime before 6000 years ago these things were on the earth and possibly other planets in the universe .... after 6000 ears ago .... no dinos

No record of the same in the Bible .... they were never replaced