What of the dinosaurs?
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Dr Hurd, that would make a very applicable icon for you here. Please consider using the chimp with ears closed to facts.
Be sure to update your knowledge base with Dr. Cups' latest article at ICR.org on your dating methods still being used in college textbooks. You KNOW the textbooks will take several years to update, in the meanwhile many more souls will continue to be subverted by lies from Satan.
Be sure to update your knowledge base with Dr. Cups' latest article at ICR.org on your dating methods still being used in college textbooks. You KNOW the textbooks will take several years to update, in the meanwhile many more souls will continue to be subverted by lies from Satan.
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If God wanted to fake the age of the Earth to appear to be 4.55 billion years old, and the age of the Universe to be 13.89 billion years old, He could certainly have faked the radioisotope geochemistry. And faked the fossils, and the rocks, and anything else.
Then it becomes a theological problem. The Bible claims that God is not a fraud, liar, or Tempter of Man. For example,
James 1
[FONT="]13. Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am being tempted by God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt anyone.
So, if you want to deny a very clearly stated biblical principle, go right ahead. Please post your explanation.
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Then it becomes a theological problem. The Bible claims that God is not a fraud, liar, or Tempter of Man. For example,
James 1
[FONT="]13. Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am being tempted by God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt anyone.
So, if you want to deny a very clearly stated biblical principle, go right ahead. Please post your explanation.
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But that's not God faking it that's you insisting in interpreting evidence a certain way. If you refuse to look at historical evidence, and insist on a naturalistic world view, then that's not God' fault. There are many scientists, much more qualified than you, that believe the Bible and don't believe the assumptions you're making.
Bottom line, if you have the age of the earth wrong, don't blame God. The fact that you're deceived, does not necessarily mean someone's deceived to you.
Bottom line, if you have the age of the earth wrong, don't blame God. The fact that you're deceived, does not necessarily mean someone's deceived to you.
I actually do read the articles you and others link, or cite. That is how I know they lack any credibility. I already debunked Cupps http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/101391-what-dinosaurs-37.html#post1768611
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So failing there, you come here? If I may, what is your objective? This is a Christian venue, as you are most assuredly aware. When you are truly a man of wisdom you will look to the Bible to authenticate science not the converse. I'll pray for you.
The fool hath said in his heart "There is no God.."
The fool hath said in his heart "There is no God.."
It is degenerate man, not holy God, that did that.
Ezekiel 13:22 (KJV) [SUP]22 [/SUP] Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life:
[HR][/HR] Matthew 13:19 (KJV) [SUP]19 [/SUP] When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.
Old earth agers and evolutionists in general are opposed to God by necessity of the flesh and unregenerate mind. The Judgment of God is for the settling of rebellious thinking. It is coming your way. Be as prepared as can be in eternal truth terms. What your fellows agreed upon will not carry eternal-valued weight because He has already shown your the truth. Wake up!
Ezekiel 13:22 (KJV) [SUP]22 [/SUP] Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life:
[HR][/HR] Matthew 13:19 (KJV) [SUP]19 [/SUP] When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.
Old earth agers and evolutionists in general are opposed to God by necessity of the flesh and unregenerate mind. The Judgment of God is for the settling of rebellious thinking. It is coming your way. Be as prepared as can be in eternal truth terms. What your fellows agreed upon will not carry eternal-valued weight because He has already shown your the truth. Wake up!
No the problem is on your end not with God. God did not lie. When God created everything it was fully formed. God already told us everything already had an appearance of age. Adam was a full grown male. It is your choice to IGNORE that and read into the dating that the earth is much older then it is.
Well, then the Bible is wrong when it claims that the physical creation is to be trusted as a true revelation of God's works.
OR just maybe there is just a little chance that you might be wrong? Maybe?
Reconcile
Psalm 19:1 The heavens are telling of the glory of God;
And their expanse is declaring the work of His hands.
2 Day to day pours forth speech,
And night to night reveals knowledge.
Psalm 85:11 reads, “Truth springs from the earth; and righteousness looks down from heaven,” The Hebrew word translated here as “truth,” emet, basically means “certainty and dependability.”
Addressing his three friends, Job challenges them: “Ask the animals, they will teach you, or the birds of the air, and they will tell you; or speak to the earth, and it will teach you, or let the fish of the sea inform you.” — Job 12:7-8.
There are many others. See for example, Psalm 119:160, Isaiah 45; 19, Titus 1:2, Hebrews 6:18 and 11:6, and I John 5:6. The implications are obvious. For God to create things with a deceptive “appearance” of age would violate His own stated character.
OR just maybe there is just a little chance that you might be wrong? Maybe?
Reconcile
Psalm 19:1 The heavens are telling of the glory of God;
And their expanse is declaring the work of His hands.
2 Day to day pours forth speech,
And night to night reveals knowledge.
Psalm 85:11 reads, “Truth springs from the earth; and righteousness looks down from heaven,” The Hebrew word translated here as “truth,” emet, basically means “certainty and dependability.”
Addressing his three friends, Job challenges them: “Ask the animals, they will teach you, or the birds of the air, and they will tell you; or speak to the earth, and it will teach you, or let the fish of the sea inform you.” — Job 12:7-8.
There are many others. See for example, Psalm 119:160, Isaiah 45; 19, Titus 1:2, Hebrews 6:18 and 11:6, and I John 5:6. The implications are obvious. For God to create things with a deceptive “appearance” of age would violate His own stated character.
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Trolls are heavily attracted to Christian venues. The object is to get attention, have impact on people, a sociopathic personality phenomenon that feeds best on people with deeply held convictions of some sort to jerk around. Many people here don't know they're being played, and it never ends, as long as they are getting the attention they crave.
Throw in the deceivers and cults, tares among the wheat.
Throw in the deceivers and cults, tares among the wheat.
And Apostle Paul warned, Romans 2: 23-24 Thou that makest thy boast of the Torah, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God? For "THE NAME OF GOD IS BLASPHEMED AMONG THE GENTILES BECAUSE OF YOU," just as it is written.
To falsely associate the Bible with obvious falsehood exposed both by science, and the Bible is not a new problem. For an example, see:
“Tis a dangerous thing to engage the authority of scripture in disputes about the natural world in opposition to reason; lest time, which brings all things to light, should discover that to be evidently false which we had made scripture assert.” Telluris theoria sacra (1684 English edition, “The Sacred Theory of the Earth” Preface, pg. 10), Reverend Thomas Burnett (1635?-1715)
To falsely associate the Bible with obvious falsehood exposed both by science, and the Bible is not a new problem. For an example, see:
“Tis a dangerous thing to engage the authority of scripture in disputes about the natural world in opposition to reason; lest time, which brings all things to light, should discover that to be evidently false which we had made scripture assert.” Telluris theoria sacra (1684 English edition, “The Sacred Theory of the Earth” Preface, pg. 10), Reverend Thomas Burnett (1635?-1715)
I have no need, or intention to "debunk the Bible." What I do object to is the false teaching that the Bible supports the absurdity of Young Earthism.
Apparently "contributing to the discussion" is not having any discussion, and just slapping each other on the back in congratulation to denying both science, and alternate reading of the Bible that millions of Christians accept.
Have you looked at the thousands of Christian clergy who affirm evolution? Maybe you should. See: The Clergy Letter Project
Apparently "contributing to the discussion" is not having any discussion, and just slapping each other on the back in congratulation to denying both science, and alternate reading of the Bible that millions of Christians accept.
Have you looked at the thousands of Christian clergy who affirm evolution? Maybe you should. See: The Clergy Letter Project