What Pentecostal denomination does NOT believe in the initial evidence doctrine?

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notuptome said:
Again you misrepresent what I am saying. You finally admit you hate me and cannot receive anything I say.

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notuptome said:


As you could know the word of God was not perfect until the NT was given by inspiration of God. The apostles had only the OT from which to preach Christ.

Yours is of course the unbiblical position. LOL notuptome states that the Old Testament was not Inspired and I am unbiblical

Do you have assurance of salvation apart from your prayer tongues? Do you really trust the word of God? Tongues do not save a person said that too many times.

Don't let your hatred of me carry you away. speaks of hate yet has unbiblical understanding of all Gods word. and for the very word of God.
 
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RUDENESS as defined by the legal dictionary----
An impolite action, contrary to the usual rules observed by society, committed by one person against another.
This is a relative term which is difficult to define.

Seems some of us live in different society with different rules.
I have been told I have been rude. Was not my intent. To those who I have been rude to, I do apologize.
When someone has experienced rudeness from a person that is never an excuse to be rude to that person and I have done that and am sorry for that.

Hopefully others can admit they have been rude, apologize, and move on.
 
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notuptome said:


As you could know the word of God was not perfect until the NT was given by inspiration of God. The apostles had only the OT from which to preach Christ.

Yours is of course the unbiblical position. LOL notuptome states that the Old Testament was not Inspired and I am unbiblical

Do you have assurance of salvation apart from your prayer tongues? Do you really trust the word of God? Tongues do not save a person said that too many times.

Don't let your hatred of me carry you away. speaks of hate yet has unbiblical understanding of all Gods word. and for the very word of God.
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I am using the word perfect in it's old English translation like the KJV. Perfect in this context means complete. If you were not so hostile and hateful toward me you would inquire and not accuse.

I can only have pity for you.

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SpoonJuly said:
RUDENESS as defined by the legal dictionary----
An impolite action, contrary to the usual rules observed by society, committed by one person against another.
This is a relative term which is difficult to define.

Seems some of us live in different society with different rules.
I have been told I have been rude. Was not my intent. To those who I have been rude to, I do apologize.
When someone has experienced rudeness from a person that is never an excuse to be rude to that person and I have done that and am sorry for that.

Hopefully others can admit they have been rude, apologize, and move on.
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what a wonderful Post. I agree with you 100%.
Thank you
 
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I am using the word perfect in it's old English translation like the KJV. Perfect in this context means complete. If you were not so hostile and hateful toward me you would inquire and not accuse.

I can only have pity for you.

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none needed for me. You did not state that nor did you even speak of the KJV or Textus Receptus. Stop being untruthful. You said and did so in error"

"As you could know the word of God was not perfect until the NT was given by inspiration of God. "

You are the hateful one and in error.
 
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none needed for me. You did not state that nor did you even speak of the KJV or Textus Receptus. Stop being untruthful. You said and did so in error"

"As you could know the word of God was not perfect until the NT was given by inspiration of God. "

You are the hateful one and in error.
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I still can only have pity for you.

Heb 12:15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;

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I still can only have pity for you.

Heb 12:15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;

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Hebrew 12:15 has nothing to do with the Old Testament not being the inspired word of God.

you said:

"As you could know the word of God was not perfect until the NT was given by inspiration of God. "

This is error and unbiblical. You should know that and I have yet to see any of your friends defend your comment.
 
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Hebrew 12:15 has nothing to do with the Old Testament not being the inspired word of God.

you said:

"As you could know the word of God was not perfect until the NT was given by inspiration of God. "

This is error and unbiblical. You should know that and I have yet to see any of your friends defend your comment.
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True I'm just pointing to the bitterness in your heart toward me. I can only pity you I cannot make you repent. I could quote more scripture but it would only harden your attitude toward me. Pity is all that remains.

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True I'm just pointing to the bitterness in your heart toward me. I can only pity you I cannot make you repent. I could quote more scripture but it would only harden your attitude toward me. Pity is all that remains.

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nope just pointing out the truth of your statement:


notuptome said the below:
"As you could know the word of God was not perfect until the NT was given by inspiration of God."


You are trying to make it about me, I'm not the one who said this unbiblical statement, you did. it was wrong and everyone knows it.
 
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nope just pointing out the truth of your statement:


notuptome said the below:
"As you could know the word of God was not perfect until the NT was given by inspiration of God."


You are trying to make it about me, I'm not the one who said this unbiblical statement, you did. it was wrong and everyone knows it.
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There is nothing unbiblical with the statement when you understand that the word of God was not complete until God had given the NT revelation.

We know who is the accuser of the brethren.

I am simply dismayed at your deteriorating attitude.

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There is nothing unbiblical with the statement when you understand that the word of God was not complete until God had given the NT revelation.

We know who is the accuser of the brethren.

I am simply dismayed at your deteriorating attitude.

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I do not care what you think or feel. yes, your statement is unbiblical let's just ask as you stated it, who would agree with such a comment.


notuptome comment :
"As you could know the word of God was not perfect until the NT was given by inspiration of God. The apostles had only the OT from which to preach Christ."

is this comment

Biblical or unbiblical

Is Gods word Perfect and all inspired both Old and New ? or just the New Testament as notuptome states?
 
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I do not care what you think or feel. yes, your statement is unbiblical let's just ask as you stated it, who would agree with such a comment.


notuptome comment :
"As you could know the word of God was not perfect until the NT was given by inspiration of God. The apostles had only the OT from which to preach Christ."

is this comment

Biblical or unbiblical

Is Gods word Perfect and all inspired both Old and New ? or just the New Testament as notuptome states?
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You have reached a new low. So dishonest and vicious in your attack. Just what should be expected from someone who professes to know Christ.

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You have reached a new low. So dishonest and vicious in your attack. Just what should be expected from someone who professes to know Christ.

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you deny that you made the following statement?


notuptome: "As you could know the word of God was not perfect until the NT was given by inspiration of God. The apostles had only the OT from which to preach Christ."


you said this Notuptome you saying you did not say the above?
 
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you deny that you made the following statement?


notuptome: "As you could know the word of God was not perfect until the NT was given by inspiration of God. The apostles had only the OT from which to preach Christ."


you said this Notuptome you saying you did not say the above?
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I have explained it to you. You are simply obstinate and unwilling to understand. The word of God was not complete until the NT was given. That is the context and reasonable understanding of 1 Cor 13. You have your nose out of joint because you simply hate that I do not consider tongues to be in operation. It is true that the apostles only had the OT from which to preach Christ until the NT was completed. You do not need to be a theologian to see that simple truth.

I am saying you have an attitude problem. The Holy Spirit does not accuse the brethren.

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notuptome said:
I have explained it to you. You are simply obstinate and unwilling to understand. The word of God was not complete until the NT was given. That is the context and reasonable understanding of 1 Cor 13. You have your nose out of joint because you simply hate that I do not consider tongues to be in operation. It is true that the apostles only had the OT from which to preach Christ until the NT was completed. You do not need to be a theologian to see that simple truth.

I am saying you have an attitude problem. The Holy Spirit does not accuse the brethren.

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that is not what you said:

you said " "As you could know the word of God was not perfect until the NT was given by inspiration of God.

stop lying, please.

And you're wrong about the Apostles too. They did not only have the Old Testament from which to preach Christ they had something else do you know what it was? And I have stated before and I will say it again due to your dishonesty Tongues do not save you nor does one have to speak in tongues to be saved. Place tongues in your no longer needed box and answer my question
 
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notuptome said:
I have explained it to you. You are simply obstinate and unwilling to understand. The word of God was not complete until the NT was given. That is the context and reasonable understanding of 1 Cor 13. You have your nose out of joint because you simply hate that I do not consider tongues to be in operation. It is true that the apostles only had the OT from which to preach Christ until the NT was completed. You do not need to be a theologian to see that simple truth.

I am saying you have an attitude problem. The Holy Spirit does not accuse the brethren.

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I am n ot saying the Holy Spirit is accusing you smh.... I am saying you made the following unbiblical statement:

"As you could know the word of God was not perfect until the NT was given by inspiration of God. "

and you are making even more like this one too:

"It is true that the apostles only had the OT from which to preach Christ until the NT was completed "

That is not true at all. You do not know what you are talking about. Do you know why you are wrong!! I will correct you because you are in error and I love you.
 
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I am n ot saying the Holy Spirit is accusing you smh.... I am saying you made the following unbiblical statement:

"As you could know the word of God was not perfect until the NT was given by inspiration of God. "

and you are making even more like this one too:

"It is true that the apostles only had the OT from which to preach Christ until the NT was completed "

That is not true at all. You do not know what you are talking about. Do you know why you are wrong!! I will correct you because you are in error and I love you.
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Clearly the best you can do is resent me. What scriptures were available to the disciples and apostles until the NT was completed? As a minister can you preach Jesus from the OT scriptures?

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Are you seeking a church that is not in line with scripture and preaches another gospel?
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This is exactly the attitude of Pentecostal in my area that I have been dealing with for 40 years.
 
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Clearly the best you can do is resent me. What scriptures were available to the disciples and apostles until the NT was completed? As a minister can you preach Jesus from the OT scriptures?

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OK, I will take it that you cannot answer the question I asked you, so I will tell you why you are wrong from the word of God.

You ready?

They had the Old Testament and prophets writing which are inspired:

1. 2Pet 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. = inspired by the Holy Spirit the Old Testament

2. They had their Testimony as they walked and were taught by the Lord Jesus Christ HImself. The Apostles preach the Words of Jesus

which are Inspired by the Holy Spirit who as John chapter 14:17 states:

"“the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. "

and John 14:26

“But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.

They had the words of Jesus how else could they remember them unless they were inspired?

also the Testimony :

John 3:3

He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true.
John 5:34
But I receive not testimony from man: but these things I say, that ye might be saved.


John 8:17

It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.
John 21:24
This is the disciple which testifieth of these things and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true.

Then the gift of the Holy Spirit was given to testify

Acts 14:3

Long time, therefore, abode they speaking boldly in the Lord, which gave testimony unto the word of his grace, and granted signs and wonders to be done by their hands.

1cor/ 1:6 2:1
Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you:
And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.

Rev 12:11

And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony, and they loved not their lives unto the death.

What did the Apostles have

  1. They had the Prophetic writings and the LAW
  2. They had the empowering of the Holy Spirit
  3. They had the Word of Christ and His teaching
  4. They had the testimony of the works of their hands in signs & wonders which confirmed the word
The Old Testament is inspired, the New Testament inspired which they did not have in written or fully completed, yet they preached the word of Christ. the word of Jesus is inspired and authoritative and they had the testimony as Eyewitnesses to the Risen Lord.
all inspired word of God. The writings of the Old which they had. The word of Jesus which the Holy Spirit helped them to remember and the testimony of the Apostles who worked sign and wonders to confirm they have been with Jesus.

you are very much in error in the comment you made here :

"As you could know the word of God was not perfect until the NT was given by inspiration of God. "
"It is true that the apostles only had the OT from which to preach Christ until the NT was completed "

both untrue and unbiblical.
 
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