What was the LAW that was added?

[Eccl12and13]

Nope. the penalty of Gods laws (Condemnation and death) has been nailed to the cross.

Just what do you mean by the above statement? Condemnation and death has NOT been nailed to His cross.

There are people that WILL die, as in the future for breaking God's laws.

Who is it that God will punish when He returns? SINNERS!

Who is it that will wake up from the dead gnashing their teeth? SINNERS!

Who will NOT enter into God's kingdom at the great judgement? SINNERS!


Let's read just when God's word tells us death will end;


Rev.20
[11] And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
[12] And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
[13] And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
[14] And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
[15] And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

God's word tells us that death ends with the great white throne judgement.

So how could it have ended at the cross?


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[megaman125]

lol. You guys make me laugh. You exposed what? You did not want to expose anything, what you want to do is shove your belief system down everyones throat.

Any exactly what is this belief system that you're accusing me of, because it sounds like you don't have a clue? My post wasn't even directed to you or about you, so why you're responding to me like this is irrational.

You continue to say we believe stuff we never say, you continue to say this doctrine teaches this (when it does not)

Quote a post of mine where I did that.

you refuse to answer some questions, but instead go off on side streets.

And what questions are you accusing me of refusing to answer? I made ONE post in this topic (this post being my second), and I don't see where I was asked questions that I'm avoiding.

I am here to discuss Gods word, if you want to discuss. Feel free. but when someone ocmes in here with a blatently false idiology (such as the levitical priests is a law which was added) I am sorry, but why keep going on with him?

1. I never make such claims.
2. I said to feedm3 that I stopped going on with him, so your question is nonsensical. Once again, it makes no sense why you're responding me to like this.

what amazes me, is since he believes as you all do, YOU DID NOT EXPOSE HIM WITH THIS FALSE THING.

1. He doesn't believe as I do, so once again, you're making up random garbage assumptions and trying to pass them off as true.
2. His "eating pork is a sin" teaching was exposed in another topic. I would link you to it, but since you ignore and twist everything I present to you anyways, I don't see why I should bother.

 

[Grandpa]

I said his interpretations of what Paul and James are saying is contraindication.

How you got what you said out of that is beyond me. It shows how you read my statemnts, just as you do the Bible, you hear what you want to hear. EG "likes" it though, go figure.

If my gospel is works based, then I am blessed to be a part of it, seeing you all just fight to hold on to sin, and still enter the gates of heaven.

If obeying God is a works based gospel, then I am guilty. Not ashamed. I will not join your fight for sin.

Thats a big argument of the non-believer and atheist that the bible contradicts itself. As soon as they use that word they think they win and the argument is over.

But really it is just their misunderstanding that causes these supposed contradictions. The bible doesn't really contradict itself.

I don't understand why you would say we fight to hold on to sin. I've shown you several times how Christians are not under Law and yet aren't holding on to sin. And you accuse me of hearing what I want to hear...

 

[feedm3]

Thats a big argument of the non-believer and atheist that the bible contradicts itself. As soon as they use that word they think they win and the argument is over.

But really it is just their misunderstanding that causes these supposed contradictions. The bible doesn't really contradict itself.

I don't understand why you would say we fight to hold on to sin. I've shown you several times how Christians are not under Law and yet aren't holding on to sin. And you accuse me of hearing what I want to hear...

Okay grandpa, I dont care anymore to keep speaking about this. I dont want to just sit here fight about nothing in a thread. You win

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Just what do you mean by the above statement? Condemnation and death has NOT been nailed to His cross.

So Jesus did not die? What did he do on the cross then??

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here are people that WILL die, as in the future for breaking God's laws.

No they will die because they rejected the saving grace of God.

Who is it that God will punish when He returns? SINNERS!

Who is it that will wake up from the dead gnashing their teeth? SINNERS!

Who will NOT enter into God's kingdom at the great judgement? SINNERS!

Then I guess he will punics every man woman and child ever born, because we are ALL sinners.

Let's read just when God's word tells us death will end;


Rev.20
[11] And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
[12] And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
[13] And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
[14] And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
[15] And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

God's word tells us that death ends with the great white throne judgement.

So how could it have ended at the cross?


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Notice.

1. Death and hades was delivered, and death and hades was cast into the lake of fire.
2. These people were not tried for sin, but for their works. And their works did not add up to enough work to take away the penalty of sin.
3. The people were condemned, because they were not written in the book of life. And this was because they commited the one sin which will never be forgiven, they went to their deaths having denied the HS, and rejecting what he came to say.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

First of all..... Now you know that a law was ADDED to God's already existing laws. And that law was the Levitical Priesthood. Something you earlier claimed was,





Next..... The laws of the Levitical Priesthood could NEVER save anyone. I, nor God's word ever said they could.....as a matter of fact the scriptures clearly states this;

Heb.10
[1] For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.


But now for another lesson........


Do you know which law DOES give life?


Rom.7
[10] And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.


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thanks for proving the fact. The levitical law never saved anyone. No law saved anyone, Because no one can fulfill th elaw.

Why were sacrifices stopped? Because one man did what they could not do. He became the lamb of God who took away the penalty of sin for the world with his own death..

But you don;t want to hear this.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I said his interpretations of what Paul and James are saying is contraindication.

How you got what you said out of that is beyond me. It shows how you read my statemnts, just as you do the Bible, you hear what you want to hear. EG "likes" it though, go figure.

If my gospel is works based, then I am blessed to be a part of it, seeing you all just fight to hold on to sin, and still enter the gates of heaven.

Dude. this is what pisses me the off. And why I get so angry at you. Prove to us how we have gone around here fighting for the ability to continue in sin? You can;t because we have never done it. Your a n evil man. You might not think so. But your pride is so thick you would not see truth if it was right in front of your face!

If obeying God is a works based gospel, then I am guilty. Not ashamed. I will not join your fight for sin.

No, you would rather stick to self. And your ability to fight sin, and not take God at his word that only HE CAN AND WILL help you fight sin. When you stand in front of God, you will have your works. I will have the blood of Christ. Even if you sinned more than me in your lifetime, It still would not make me more worthy of eternal life. I would still be worthy of condemnation. Your like the pharisee, because Moses condemns you like it did them, and this is why you can not see Christ.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Thats a big argument of the non-believer and atheist that the bible contradicts itself. As soon as they use that word they think they win and the argument is over.

But really it is just their misunderstanding that causes these supposed contradictions. The bible doesn't really contradict itself.

I don't understand why you would say we fight to hold on to sin. I've shown you several times how Christians are not under Law and yet aren't holding on to sin. And you accuse me of hearing what I want to hear...

It is his only line of defense. he can;t use scripture to discount what we say, because even he deep down knows we are right. So he has to resort to false claims. False idiology, and attacks against our character. But we should not get angry (although I just did, which I must now confess to God for my anger) but praise God. that we are now taking the same stuff he took while he walked the earth.

So I will go not and confess my sin of anger, and pray next time I am able to hold it in, and follow God, not my flesh.

 

[megaman125]

So I will go not and confess my sin of anger, and pray next time I am able to hold it in, and follow God, not my flesh.

If you think anger is a sin, then do you believe Jesus sinned when he got angry?

 

[feedm3]

It is his only line of defense. he can;t use scripture to discount what we say, because even he deep down knows we are right. So he has to resort to false claims. False idiology, and attacks against our character. But we should not get angry (although I just did, which I must now confess to God for my anger) but praise God. that we are now taking the same stuff he took while he walked the earth.

So I will go not and confess my sin of anger, and pray next time I am able to hold it in, and follow God, not my flesh.

I did to write what your quoting in #128, Granpa wrote that I believe. For some reason it says it was made by me.

 

[feedm3]

Dude. this is what pisses me the off. And why I get so angry at you. Prove to us how we have gone around here fighting for the ability to continue in sin? You can;t because we have never done it. Your a n evil man. You might not think so. But your pride is so thick you would not see truth if it was right in front of your face!



No, you would rather stick to self. And your ability to fight sin, and not take God at his word that only HE CAN AND WILL help you fight sin. When you stand in front of God, you will have your works. I will have the blood of Christ. Even if you sinned more than me in your lifetime, It still would not make me more worthy of eternal life. I would still be worthy of condemnation. Your like the pharisee, because Moses condemns you like it did them, and this is why you can not see Christ.

I am sick of hearing you get so angry if someone says your fighting for sin, when ALL you do is accuse others of earning salvation.

IF YOU WANT PEOPLE NOT TO ACCUSE YOU OF WHAT YOU DO NOT SAY YOUR DOING, THEN BE AN EXAMPLE AND STOP DOING IT YOURSELF.

OR dont get mad when it's done back to you, if your doing the exact same thing your getting mad about.

As for all the name calling here, it speaks for itself.

 

[Eccl12and13]

thanks for proving the fact. The levitical law never saved anyone. No law saved anyone, Because no one can fulfill th elaw.

Why were sacrifices stopped? Because one man did what they could not do. He became the lamb of God who took away the penalty of sin for the world with his own death..

But you don;t want to hear this.

Did you not read my post? Here it is again......

Next..... The laws of the Levitical Priesthood could NEVER save anyone. I, nor God's word ever said they could.....as a matter of fact the scriptures clearly states this;

Heb.10
[1] For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

The law....that of the Levitical Priesthood, could not save anyone.


But now to the question that you did NOT answer......



Do you know which law DOES give life? Do you know what laws DO save?

Rom.7
[10] And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.




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[Grandpa]

Did you not read my post? Here it is again......




The law....that of the Levitical Priesthood, could not save anyone.


But now to the question that you did NOT answer......



Do you know which law DOES give life? Do you know what laws DO save?

Rom.7
[10] And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.




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2 Corinthians 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

 

[Eccl12and13]

2 Corinthians 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

And what does Jesus tell us spirit is? Let's read....

John 6
[63] It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

And what words did Jesus speak that He said would give life? Let's read some more Gramps....

Matt.19
[16] And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
[17] And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
[18] He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
[19] Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.


So once again....Paul was right when he said the following....

Rom.7
[10] And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.


The laws of God DO give LIFE! The Laws of God DO SAVE!



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[eternally-gratefull]

And what does Jesus tell us spirit is? Let's read....

John 6
[63] It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

And what words did Jesus speak that He said would give life? Let's read some more Gramps....

Matt.19
[16] And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
[17] And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
[18] He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
[19] Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.


So once again....Paul was right when he said the following....

Rom.7
[10] And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.


The laws of God DO give LIFE! The Laws of God DO SAVE!



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why did you ignore all of John 6?

What is the spirit which giveth life. Jesus told us IN JOHN 6.

35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst. 36 But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe. 37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”




43 Jesus therefore answered and said to them, “Do not murmur among yourselves. 44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. 45 It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God.’[e] Therefore everyone who has heard and learned[f] from the Father comes to Me. 46 Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father. 47 Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me[g] has everlasting life. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die. 51I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.”


62 What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before? 63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.




I think it is quite evident what saves us.


God chose us, we came to him, we trusted him, and he promised that he would


1. Never lose us
2. We would never hunger or thirst
3. We would never die, we would live forever. and be raised the last day.
4. We have eternal life


The words he speaks. Do you believe it, or like many jesus spoke to, not believe it? If you believe you will get to heaven, if you do not, you will not get to heaven, it is plain and simple. Not of works lest any man should boast. So stop trying to work for it. And rest in Christ, for only HE CAN SAVE YOU



Nothing in here about works. Your trying to add to the word of God.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Did you not read my post? Here it is again......




The law....that of the Levitical Priesthood, could not save anyone.


But now to the question that you did NOT answer......



Do you know which law DOES give life? Do you know what laws DO save?

Rom.7
[10] And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

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Non of them give life. Because as paul said. the commandment, I thought Gave life, brought death. Because paul did not know coveting was, until the command came and said you shall not covet. And thus the ocmmandment killed him..

The levitical priest did not bring death. The commands did. Because every man has failed to live up to the law, for ALL HAVE SINNED. and fall short of the mark. What is the mark? the law. You have failed to live up to the just requirment of the law. thus the law condemns you. So how can you be saved by follwoing that same law. you make no sense.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I am sick of hearing you get so angry if someone says your fighting for sin, when ALL you do is accuse others of earning salvation.

IF YOU WANT PEOPLE NOT TO ACCUSE YOU OF WHAT YOU DO NOT SAY YOUR DOING, THEN BE AN EXAMPLE AND STOP DOING IT YOURSELF.

OR dont get mad when it's done back to you, if your doing the exact same thing your getting mad about.

As for all the name calling here, it speaks for itself.

Forgive me if I call a rock a rock. You say your not trying to earn salvation. but you say you can lose it if you do not do whatever it is you think one must do not to earn it, Or not to lose it (both mean the same). What else should I call it?

Your saying I am fighting for sin. Yet you say if I do not stop sin, and live a righteous lifestyle and never fall back into sin, I will not EARN salvation, and thus will lose it.. Again, what else should I call it? Your not trying to earn it? the sad part is. I believe you actually believe what you say.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If you think anger is a sin, then do you believe Jesus sinned when he got angry?

No, he was angry at the legalists. And I know how he feels, even though he went through a lot worse than I will ever go through in here byu those people.

But I still should not get mad at them just because Christ did. I would rather look to God and be wrong about whether I sinned or not. Then not seek him when I did sin..

 

[marianna]

No, he was angry at the legalists. And I know how he feels, even though he went through a lot worse than I will ever go through in here byu those people.

But I still should not get mad at them just because Christ did. I would rather look to God and be wrong about whether I sinned or not. Then not seek him when I did sin..

Eternally Grateful, may I interrupt you for a moment?

Are You Saved? <

 

[feedm3]

Forgive me if I call a rock a rock. You say your not trying to earn salvation. but you say you can lose it if you do not do whatever it is you think one must do not to earn it, Or not to lose it (both mean the same). What else should I call it?

See your doing it again. You just freaked out, called me all kinds of names, spoken to me in a manner using words that do offend me, all because you say I am accusing you of doing what you say your not, and now your doing what you accuse me of.

And you call me a Pharisee? Your acting just like them, "they SAY and DO NOT".

Your being a hypocrite.

Your saying I am fighting for sin. Yet you say if I do not stop sin, and live a righteous lifestyle and never fall back into sin, I will not EARN salvation, and thus will lose it.. Again, what else should I call it? Your not trying to earn it? the sad part is. I believe you actually believe what you say.

You say: Sin will not cause us to go to hell even if we do not repent as long as were Christians.

SO you have watered down the consequences of sin to an earthly, not eternal consequence.

The fore, you are fighting FOR sin. A rock is a rock, and sin is sin, and you are fighting to keep it, and advance it in peoples lives. Because you HATE the thought of YOU being accountable for YOUR sins.

You want Jesus to already have paid the price for ALL UNREPENTANT Sins, so your saying we CAN sin and go to heaven.

You are sins friend.