What's up with Legion's request to go into the herd of pigs?

[Aerials1978]

Just my opinion:
1) Jesus was showing that He does have authority over all things.
2) God keeps His word, even to the demonic. There is a set time for them to be cast into the abyss.
3) Pigs where considered unclean under the deuteronomist law, so it could have been a symbolic jester by Jesus to show that they too were unclean.

Again, these are my opinion.

 

[JohnDB]

Okay, thanks for telling me what I do and do not want. I'll remember to consult you in the future on such matters.

Ok...
But in the past anyone who has been enamored with demons hasn't wanted to hear what I have learned.

Most get really angry and upset.

So explain to me why you are going to be different from everyone else that is enamored with demons.

 

[ResidentAlien]

So explain to me why you are going to be different from everyone else that is enamored with demons.

Ya know what, I probably won't be. Let's just move on and forget it.

 

[Diakonos]

"The angels that sinned" is a smaller group of angels which sinned in going after human women and creating Nephilim before the Flood. They are currently imprisoned in Tartarus.

So there are actually three groups of evil angels: (1) the hierarchies which inhabit the atmosphere as noted in Ephesians 6, (2) the demonic spirits which inhabit the earth, some of which deceive people as false gods, and some of which are also within the abyss, and (3) "the angels which kept not their first estate" and are "chained" in Tartarus.

Satan is at the head of all these groups as "the prince of the power of the air" (ruling over the kingdom of darkness), and the first group is mentioned in Revelation 12, where "heaven" would mean the atmospheric heaven (which corresponds to "the air"). These are cast down to earth by Michael and his holy angels in Revelation 12. And it is possible that Revelation 12 is actually being fulfilled right now or will be very shortly. These same entities are presently appointed as "princes" over the kingdoms of the earth (as noted in Daniel), so a lot of what we see going on today is being orchestrated by invisible evil spirits.

Indeed Satan claimed to Christ that all the kingdoms of the world are in his hands (and this was not disputed). Transgenderism and the whole LBGQT movement is demonic and is now targeting very young children deliberately. It would not be a surprise if it was confirmed that some of the most evil men on earth today are either (a) demon possessed or (b) actual demons parading as humans. Thus there is constant warfare, hate-mongering, fear-mongering, and tyranny throughout the world.

I agree with much of this. But can you please substantiate these assumptions with Scripture?

a) Eph 6:12 refers to angels rather than demons
b) 2 Pet 2:4 refers to a sub-group rather than a group

 

[Diakonos]

Jesus declared all meats clean. Mark 7:19

He declared all food to be "unclean" in the context of moral defilement.

“Nothing is unclean in itself; but to him who thinks anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean.” (Romans 14:14)
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But I am not speaking of moral defilement. I am exploring the symbolism of animals.

“Babylon has become a dwelling place of demons and a prison of every unclean spirit, and a prison of every unclean and hateful bird.” (Revelation 18:2)​

Even though there is no longer any moral defilement for eating unclean animals, they still hold their symbolic significance in relation to spiritual realities. Remember, animals were clean and unclean before (and independent) of the Law of Moses. That's one reason Paul says we are free to consider certain foods to be unclean (for ourselves) and continue observing Sabbath (Rom 14) because these were established without the Law. So the passing of the Law does not eliminate them. There was a moral defilement that came with the Law for consuming such animals, but this aspect is no longer in effect.

 

[posthuman]

I am exploring the symbolism of animals.

i think if we sort out who the man that had been possessed represents, it will help us understand who the pigs represent, and that will lead us to why they were driven into the sea ((along with what the sea represents)).

 

[JTB]

The demons begged Jesus not to send them into the abyss but to send them into the herd of pigs. But then all the pigs ran over a cliff and drowned. Did the demons know they would do this? What happened to the demons after the pigs drowned? Was the whole thing a ploy by the demons to avoid the abyss? In other words, did they know the pigs would panic and run over the cliff, at which point they'd be able to go off and possess another person, or did they end up in the abyss anyway?

Very strange story.

There is a passage in which it says that demons, once cast out of a host, wander the earth looking for another. If they fail in that they will return to the original host to see if a door has been left open for them to re-enter. These particular demons must have known Jesus would not let them wander to find another, but instead cast them into the abyss where they would be held prisoner. So they 'chose' to enter the pigs as their next host, instead of seeking out another human.

As to what happened to them after the pigs died, that's hard to say. Animals were sacrificed and their souls sent to hell in place of a humans, perhaps these pigs were considered such a sacrifice and as such the demons were ultimately cast into hell?

 

[Nehemiah6]

I agree with much of this. But can you please substantiate these assumptions with Scripture? a) Eph 6:12 refers to angels rather than demons

As we know from Scripture, demons are not rulers in high places, but evil sprits on earth taking possession of people or animals. The hierarchies of angels described in Eph 6:12 shows that there are multiple ranks of angels in order of their power and authority. In Daniel some are classified as "princes" or kings ruling over kingdoms on earth.

b) 2 Pet 2:4 refers to a sub-group rather than a group

Since the majority of evil angels are presently free, only a small sub-group are in prison, where "hell" should be "Tartarus".

 

[Diakonos]

As we know from Scripture, demons are not rulers in high places, but evil sprits on earth taking possession of people or animals. The hierarchies of angels described in Eph 6:12 shows that there are multiple ranks of angels in order of their power and authority. In Daniel, some are classified as "princes" or kings ruling over kingdoms on earth.

This is just a restatement of the paradigm you believe. I asked if you were able to substantiate the assumption with Scripture.

Since the majority of evil angels are presently free, only a small sub-group are in prison, where "hell" should be "Tartarus".

Again, this is just a restatement of what you already said. Please show me with Scripture:
How do you know that the hierarchies refer to angels rather than demons?

 

[Aaron56]

After sending demons out of people I have sent some to Tartarus.

 

[Edify]

I believe we are missing the point, by not asking the right questions.
1. Why was Jesus there?
Biblical context: Matt 15:24 24He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” (Jesus healed the Caananite woman)
The Father sent Jesus to Gadara.
2. Why did the demons ask to go into the pigs? Why did Jesus give the order to go? Because they BOTH understood the OT Law that was in effect at the time. The demons understood God's judgment. Demons are very intelligent. They wouldn't have asked foolishly for the Lord's permission.
3. Why did the pigs all drown in the sea? Because they wanted to get rid of the demons? No. We must remember those demon possessed have no control over their body.
Approx. 2000 pigs all drowned. None ran through the fence, attacked people or did any other thing.
Jesus, who knows the end from the beginning, knew WHY the demons asked. The demons all knew why they asked. Both Jesus & the demons knew what was going to happen.
Judgment for breaking the Law of Moses. The demons forced all those pigs to drown
Since Jesus COULD ONLY DO WHAT THE FATHER DID, The Father was at the center of it all.

Since the Jews asked Jesus to leave, He did.
The demons knew what COULD happen the moment they saw Jesus.
Jesus knew what was going to happen before He even got into the boat to go to Gadara.