What's Wrong with This Picture...?

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Magenta

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ah, well thats not a real testimony. unfortunate.

i mean, even if one has panic attacks u see. atleast u can say "i believe Jesus Christ died for my sins and once i was lost now i have repented thanks God for saving me" and run off the stage to breath into a paper bag :D
No believer started out as such. We were all at one time enemies of God.
 

OneFaith

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Beg the question much?

You mean, after I just got done telling you that isn't what is happening, you now want a verse? LOL!!!!!!!!! You're tripping.
The op said she was voted into the church.
 

1ofthem

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Be you wise as serpents, yet harmless as doves...

Sometimes it pays to just sit back and watch before jumping right to a conclusion...

And I think that goes double for replying to some threads on here...Just saying:)
 
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The op said she was voted into the church.
Ya think? It doesn't mean what you want it to mean. But as long as you can go straw man and call a church false, it's of no matter to you. :D
 
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What’s wrong with this picture is that no one is voted into Christ’s church. “And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.” Voting is the red flag warning that this is a false church- cause that does not match the church Christ established in the Bible.

And a statement of faith is not how you join- that’s another red flag. The church is Christ’s body, and the only way to we get into Christ is we are baptized into Christ (Romans 6:3), then the Lord adds us to His church. You can join false churches any which way you please.
Actually, read the Gospel of John. Jesus kept kicking away pretenders, and for reason. HIS church isn't full of people earning their way to the eternal vacation plan. HIS church are the ones excited to tell others the good news, not looking to find a good soprano for the choir or a seat warmer.

My denomination has an introductory class before joining because we want newcomers to know what they're getting into, and we don't count people as members until they show they have a basic understanding of God. Or, in your own words, we're out to make sure the church doesn't become a "false church."

Anyone is welcome to come on Sundays, to come to bible studies and home churches, to get help, if they need help, but membership means something.
 

OneFaith

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Ya think? It doesn't mean what you want it to mean. But as long as you can go straw man and call a church false, it's of no matter to you. :D
Ok, you’re being mean. It is not up to me, God determines what a false church is, and it’s what is different than what the Bible teaches.
 
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maybe some people have panic attacks and get dizzy in front of a crowd giving their testimony u see..

but ok the situation is: church already voted and said yes, so the testimony originally was good? (otherwise they would of voted no?) then later the pastor asks and the testimony is "i just wanna join the church"?
so is that a different testimony now when asked later? or was it the same all the time u see. i dont know.
Read the op again. There was no testimony/no statement of faith asked for before she was voted in. They voted in before they got to know her. (And they voted. That's weird in itself. :rolleyes:)
 
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Why lol? You don’t believe false churches exist? Or you don’t believe you can identify them by them not matching the Bible?
I know this isn't what you mean, but it looks like you're giving room for false churches. Why would we want false churches? :eek:
 

crossnote

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(...if anything)

A lady goes forward to join the church (the pastor invited people to join). The pastor shakes her hand, and then announces she is coming to join the church by statement of faith.

So the church immediately votes to receive her by her statement of faith. Unanimous reception (for those who voted).

Then, the pastor, after she is voted in as a member, asks her what her statement of faith is.

She says "I just want to be a part of the church."

Um. OK.
It may just as well have been a Kiwanis Club?
 
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Read the op again. There was no testimony/no statement of faith asked for before she was voted in. They voted in before they got to know her. (And they voted. That's weird in itself. :rolleyes:)
I think he understood that though...
 

Magenta

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One of the most powerful experiences I ever had of God was in a church, after watching a movie on the life of Christ based upon the gospel of Luke. I was not a believer at the time, and did not become a believer for many years afterward, but it was still within the walls of a church that I went seeking to find out more about Jesus Christ. For faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God...
 

BillG

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(...if anything)

A lady goes forward to join the church (the pastor invited people to join). The pastor shakes her hand, and then announces she is coming to join the church by statement of faith.

So the church immediately votes to receive her by her statement of faith. Unanimous reception (for those who voted).

Then, the pastor, after she is voted in as a member, asks her what her statement of faith is.

She says "I just want to be a part of the church."

Um. OK.
I think for me 2 issues arise here.

Firstly whether should someone be considered a member, when and why.

Secondly whether a memeber has to be a be a believer in order to be considered part of the church.

Our church does have an official membership list. The process if they want to come into membership then on a set day those who want to meet up with a leader. They explain what we are about and if they are happy with that then they are admitted into membership.

The reason I raise my second issue is because of the ministry I have in church.

Primarily it’s cominng alongside people who are not believers but want to know more along with those struggling in their Christian Walk.

Earlier this year I had the privilege of walking alongside a very mixed up man. He is bipolar, wished he was dead and so on.
Jesus was just a good man but he came to the conclusion that there seemed to be a disconnect with God, whichever God that was.

Cut a long story short I was so blessed and humbled to lead him to Jesus. Spent a couple of hours with him.
Told him his disconnect was Jesus because he didn’t beleive the claims of Jesus.

He placed his faith in Jesus, this man was on his knees and poured everything out. A broken man on his knees and prayed from his heart and beleive me what came out of his heart was vile. The lies of satan. And together we prayed against that.

When he got of his knees I saw a totally different man. I baptised him a month later.

There is a point to this.

He said something along the lines off “I just wanted to be loved and accepted, I wanted to ask questions, wanted to try to make sense of when I tried to comitt suicide and woke up I was angry that I was still alive”

A friend of his girlfriends told them to do the Alpha Course at our church. That’s how I got to know him.

Now what is amazing is that as he continued to come to our church he says that he felt part of the church.
Loved and accepted for who he was (in fact one day when we spoke he was very upset at the prospect that I And others would reject him if he didn’t become a Christian, I reassured him that was not the case, I loved him for him)

He Just Being loved and accepted as he was, no expectations placed on him then he felt part a FAMILY.

The Church is family even to those who are seeking a family. To be adopted by the Father.

Just so you know I’m not puffing up myself here. I was the last part of the walk.
 
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Ok, you’re being mean. It is not up to me, God determines what a false church is, and it’s what is different than what the Bible teaches.
Nope, not being mean at all. Dismissive? Yes. No matter how many times you are shown something you just carry on oblivious to facts.
 

Joidevivre

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Maybe she had been attending many teachings by the pastor, and probably agreed with the messages and doctrine before coming to join. And the ones who voted her in knew her pretty well. Who knows why they felt it necessary to vote in that church. Most churches do not vote for members.

I do agree with many postings here. And the scenario pictured isn't usually done.
 

Magenta

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Whoever went to church for the first time as a full-fledged believer? I am not saying nobody ever did, but the fact remains, I went to church quite a few times before I ever came to believe, and no doubt the same holds true for many others as well. People have to start where they are. We all started as enemies of God.
 
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Whoever went to church for the first time as a full-fledged believer? I am not saying nobody ever did, but the fact remains, I went to church quite a few times before I ever came to believe, and no doubt the same holds true for many others as well. People have to start where they are. We all started as enemies of God.
yes its true many go to church when friends and family ask u see. but this situation described by the op was someone who wanted to join, not just visiting u see.