When are we saved ?

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BenjaminN

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BenjaminN said:
"your awakened a frozen chosen? " - Again God awakes the frozen chosen, God sends the message of the Gospel to the "frozen chosen", by the good works God has prepared. Grace, just like that!! All from God, bestowed on whom he pleases.


Ok that's called gnosctism.
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
 

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So we must learn of God to believe. You’re right.

We must hear and learn of Him.

Guess who’s the initiator in that exchange. Not us.
We are in big trouble and there's major eternal consequences for not believing God and what he has done ,for everyone. With this consequence and expectation do you think he's put salvation out of reach for anyone ?
 

BenjaminN

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I said BEFORE faith

We were all slaves to sin before we believed. All of us, without exception.
Before we were granted grace, When we were granted grace, we received FAITH WHICH IS THE GIFT OF GOD. Faith is not of our own working.
 

OIC1965

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See what Calvinsm teaches ( And Arminians) is that we cannot even believe or respond positively to God's revelation unless he is partially or fully regenerated first . This , whilst sounds logical and plausible and if you hand pick some verses ,squint your eyes a certain way ,you can begin to start seeing this concept. Its like one of those pictures where you stare at and its either a rabbit or a duck, depending on which you see first. Its hard to then unsee the duck and find the rabbit once you now see the duck. The truth is the rabbit .
I do not believe in partial regeneration and I do not believe in regeneration before faith, your post does not apply to me.
 

BenjaminN

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We are in big trouble and there's major eternal consequences for not believing God and what he has done ,for everyone. With this consequence and expectation do you think he's put salvation out of reach for anyone ?
Do your faith believes that everyone will be saved? I am not asking if everyone CAN be saved, but WILL be saved?
 

throughfaith

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BenjaminN said:
"your awakened a frozen chosen? " - Again God awakes the frozen chosen, God sends the message of the Gospel to the "frozen chosen", by the good works God has prepared. Grace, just like that!! All from God, bestowed on whom he pleases.




8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
Yes through faith .
 

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We are in big trouble and there's major eternal consequences for not believing God and what he has done ,for everyone. With this consequence and expectation do you think he's put salvation out of reach for anyone ?
No. Its not that they are physically unable to believe. They are morally unwilling to believe unless there is a change of heart somewhere. I believe this change of heart is wrought by the Spirit’s conviction and the Gospel.
 

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We are in big trouble and there's major eternal consequences for not believing God and what he has done ,for everyone. With this consequence and expectation do you think he's put salvation out of reach for anyone ?
Short answer, no... except He will save no one who dies in unbelief.
 

throughfaith

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No. Its not that they are physically unable to believe. They are morally unwilling to believe unless there is a change of heart somewhere. I believe this change of heart is wrought by the Spirit’s conviction and the Gospel.
Rom 1.16 and John 16.8 . And Jesus is the light of the world that ...John 8.12
 

BenjaminN

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BenjaminN said:
"your awakened a frozen chosen? " - Again God awakes the frozen chosen, God sends the message of the Gospel to the "frozen chosen", by the good works God has prepared. Grace, just like that!! All from God, bestowed on whom he pleases.


Halleluyah! Through faith (which is the gift of ...... ?) God says: Guess what, I'm granting you grace, here's the gift of faith. You will believe like a child. It is not I believe, therefore I should be saved.... Believe what, that Yeshua ha'Mashiach / Jesus the Messiah is the son of God, the devil also believes that, and he shudders at the thought of that. You either received grace, or you either did not.
 

BenjaminN

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BenjaminN said:
"your awakened a frozen chosen? " - Again God awakes the frozen chosen, God sends the message of the Gospel to the "frozen chosen", by the good works God has prepared. Grace, just like that!! All from God, bestowed on whom he pleases.




Halleluyah! Through faith (which is the gift of ...... ?) God says: Guess what, I'm granting you grace, here's the gift of faith. You will believe like a child. It is not I believe, therefore I should be saved.... Believe what, that Yeshua ha'Mashiach / Jesus the Messiah is the son of God, the devil also believes that, and he shudders at the thought of that. You either received grace, or you either did not.
So it's throughFaith (which childlike as the gift of God) not byFaith (which was the destination of my mental gymnastics). Hello my brother.
 

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isa 45 For Jacob My servant’s sake, And Israel My elect, I have even called you by your name; I have named you, though you have not known Me.
You must be reading from another version of the bible than me. For Jacob my servant,s sake, and Israel mine elect, I have SURNAMED thee, though thou hast not know me. Surnamed= to address by an additional name. Gen 32:28, And he said thy name shall be no more called Jacob, but Israel.
 

ForestGreenCook

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in him . When were you ' in him ' ?
We were chosen in him (Jesus) before the foundation of the world. We were in him (Jesus) as he paid our adoption price on the cross.

We have been in him (Jesus) from the beginning. 2 Tim 2:13, If we believe not, yet he (Jesus) abideth faithful, he (Jesus) cannot deny himself.
 

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I do not believe in partial regeneration and I do not believe in regeneration before faith, your post does not apply to me.
Who dies without being predestined to the Adoption. Without the Adoption a person cannot enter heaven .