When Is The Actual Sabbath?

[garee]

You keep saying that - but if a day or period of time is not time sensitive then what is ??? are you saying it does not exist in time ? And God definitely mentions a DAY/24 hr period/time.

Yes a 24 hour day called today.

It can’t be something that it is not. The word Sabbath with no other meaning aded simply means rest. That rest was secured from the foundation of the world in respect to the lamb of God .

If any time is to be attached to it, it would be today as long as today is today. It can be on any day of the week or last a week .

In summary its any time we are reminded of something the Holy Spirit teaches and brings it to our memory we do not harden our hearts having rested there would be no need.. It is Christ who does make our hearts soft.

For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, “not being mixed with faith” in them that heard it.For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:Again, he limiteth a certain day,(any day) saying in David, “To day”, after so long a time; as it is said, “To day” if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.Heb 4:8

 

[beta]

Yes a 24 hour day called today.

It can’t be something that it is not. The word Sabbath with no other meaning aded simply means rest. That rest was secured from the foundation of the world in respect to the lamb of God .

If any time is to be attached to it, it would be today as long as today is today. It can be on any day of the week or last a week .

In summary its any time we are reminded of something the Holy Spirit teaches and brings it to our memory we do not harden our hearts having rested there would be no need.. It is Christ who does make our hearts soft.

For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, “not being mixed with faith” in them that heard it.For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:Again, he limiteth a certain day,(any day) saying in David, “To day”, after so long a time; as it is said, “To day” if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.Heb 4:8

I am actually talking of EX 20v8 mentioning a 'specific day' - Not Hebrews talking about 'today/any day or just rest by itself. Since there is a difference it would benefit us to start at the 'beginning. If the foundation is not in place nothing else will fit ! and that's why all the arguing and splintering in christianity.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

Seeing no man can serve two masters as teaching authorities

Torah in respect to scripture alone ? Or Torah to include the oral traditions of the fathers?

We all know Jesus kept scriptural Torah and the 'fathers' corrupt the instruction of God with man made doctrines.

The thing is we all know Jesus never change and in saying this we will have to find places in the Torah telling us He is our rest, just like we will have to understand how to keep the Sabbath from when Jesus was here in His physical body. When we look at the Hebrew meaning of the names in Genesis 5 we found the following "Man/Mankind appointed mortal sorrow. The blessed/praised of YHVH shall descend/come down and teach/instruct people that His death shall bring, those in despair, comfort/rest."

Jesus was always our rest and hiding place, now the other question I have is do we need sleep or can we pray to Jesus to keep on going unconditionally never to sleep again (while in our physical body ). We were designed a certain way and God told us to rest for a reason.

Thank you for an interesting discussion everyone...

 

[tanakh]

Why insist with the JEWISH Sabbath when the Bible says ''it is the Sabbath of the Lord. You obviously don't believe GOD ! The Sabbath was created long before any mention of Jews - they are just the only ones to 'remember it and have been continually persecuted, hated and harassed by 'pretenders and false followers.

Why are you doubting my belief in God over the way I wrote my post? I said Jewish because there are Christian sects that claim to celebrate the Sabbath but actually don't in practice because they from start on Saturday morning when the start should be at Sundown on Friday. The thread is about when the Sabbath is not a scrutiny of peoples belief about God. I find it offensive that I should need to defend my faith on a Christian forum.

 

[garee]

I am actually talking of EX 20v8 mentioning a 'specific day' - Not Hebrews talking about 'today/any day or just rest by itself. Since there is a difference it would benefit us to start at the 'beginning. If the foundation is not in place nothing else will fit ! and that's why all the arguing and splintering in christianity.

The word Sabbath is not a time sensitive word .It means rest with no other meaning added.

It does not mean the first day of the week even if it is cerimonial celbrated on that day.


Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

It a ceremonial law to begin with and therefore not something we could judge one another in respect to the Sabbaths or new moons, plural. Different times to bring together different usages in respect to the word rest (Sabbath) . Weekly ceremonial laws as Sabbaths that do not provide actual rest seeing they are shadows of it, the same with monthly ceremonial laws or yearly etc .

I think we must let the word of God define the usage of the words within his book.If not how would we mix the hearing of faith so that we might hear Him aright?

Heb 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with “faith” in them that heard “it”.

Not mixed with faith shows a hardened heart as one that needs rest. Believing Christ, by not hardebing our hearts but rather mixing it with the faith of Christ as the work of God which comes from hearing God.It shows we have entered His Sabbath (rest) as his word softens our hearts making it possible to believe to the salvation of ones soul,

Heb 4:3 For we which “have believed” do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

He spoke of the seventh day in regard to no activity . The seventh day is not limited to the many cerimoinal Sabbaths that are used as shadows of the work of God giving us rest through his word.Not through a shadow of it


Today if you hear his voice (mixing it with faith) a person has entered it. We do not enter through a cerinminal law, a shadow of the good work he perform the last day (seveneth).

Heb 4:5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
Heb 4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in “because of unbelief”:

(Unbelief) Not mixing faith in what they hear.Not entering his rest

Heb 4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, “To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.”

The word today as it is used is in regard to word rest a non time sensitive word. Entering it is as long as there is twenty hour in a clock or the Sun and moon meet there course as time keepers called under the sun. We enter his rest every time we do not harden our own hearts in sin.

Those who fail to enter it show they are not “mixing faith” in what they do hear or see. Their hearts remain hard

We enter it having mixed faith it when we heard his voice.

 

[beta]

Why are you doubting my belief in God over the way I wrote my post? I said Jewish because there are Christian sects that claim to celebrate the Sabbath but actually don't in practice because they from start on Saturday morning when the start should be at Sundown on Friday. The thread is about when the Sabbath is not a scrutiny of peoples belief about God. I find it offensive that I should need to defend my faith on a Christian forum.

I am sorry you feel offended - that was not my intent. Many christians call the sabbath 'jewish when the Bible clearly says it is the 'sabbath of the Lord....but maybe you did not know this.
It is surely right to line up our beliefs with the word of God rather than what people claim, whether Jew or Gentile, we are all wrong apart from God and should be glad when He corrects us.
And as far as knowing which was the 7th day at the time of creation is beyond human knowledge....the best we can do is to keep it according to 'local timing and calender.
Mat 28v1 says Sabbath ends before the start of the first day of the week which is sunday....so everybody knows when it is 'saturday beginning sunset friday ! If people want to 'meddle with that it is to their own detriment.

 

[Grandpa]

I am sorry you feel offended - that was not my intent. Many christians call the sabbath 'jewish when the Bible clearly says it is the 'sabbath of the Lord....but maybe you did not know this.
It is surely right to line up our beliefs with the word of God rather than what people claim, whether Jew or Gentile, we are all wrong apart from God and should be glad when He corrects us.
And as far as knowing which was the 7th day at the time of creation is beyond human knowledge....the best we can do is to keep it according to 'local timing and calender.
Mat 28v1 says Sabbath ends before the start of the first day of the week which is sunday....so everybody knows when it is 'saturday beginning sunset friday ! If people want to 'meddle with that it is to their own detriment.

The best we can do is utterly FAIL at trying to uphold Gods Perfect Law.

And then we can REST in His Work knowing that ours could never cut the mustard.


I've never personally tried to cut mustard. But there must have been a time when people did that. And it must have been at least partially difficult. Judging by the way it is used...

 

[beta]

The best we can do is utterly FAIL at trying to uphold Gods Perfect Law.

And then we can REST in His Work knowing that ours could never cut the mustard.


I've never personally tried to cut mustard. But there must have been a time when people did that. And it must have been at least partially difficult. Judging by the way it is used...

We are not called to uphold God's perfect law....that would be like saying to a child or an apprentice they must produce only perfect work, and because they can't they need not even try or learn to do right - is that how you see our situation ? How will you ever be conformed to the image of Christ if you never learn anything ?
It all starts with 'learning obedience Heb 5v8,9, so until you do you are not even a child of God or a disciple of Jesus, just an ordinary natural human being in their sin.

 

[mailmandan]

Just yesterday, a customer on my mail route (who is an SDA) handed me a sheet of paper (which promotes his beliefs) that not only mentioned that "we receive God's spirit in us by repentance and laying on of hands (sounds like a Mormon here) after baptism by immersion," but he also quoted Isaiah 66:23, which says - "And it shall be from new moon to new moon And from sabbath to sabbath, All mankind will come to bow down before Me," says the LORD." He interpreted this as all flesh (all people) will keep God's Sabbath in order to avoid the second death in Revelation 20:15.

 

[Grandpa]

We are not called to uphold God's perfect law....that would be like saying to a child or an apprentice they must produce only perfect work, and because they can't they need not even try or learn to do right - is that how you see our situation ? How will you ever be conformed to the image of Christ if you never learn anything ?
It all starts with 'learning obedience Heb 5v8,9, so until you do you are not even a child of God or a disciple of Jesus, just an ordinary natural human being in their sin.

I've learned obedience and it's the secret of Christianity.

Its focus is abiding and Resting in the Lord Jesus Christ and not our own work.


You've chosen this;

Galatians 3:10 [FONT=&quot]For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

[/FONT]When you should have chosen this;

Matthew 11:28 [FONT=&quot]Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.


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[Grandpa]

Just yesterday, a customer on my mail route (who is an SDA) handed me a sheet of paper (which promotes his beliefs) that not only mentioned that "we receive God's spirit in us by repentance and laying on of hands (sounds like a Mormon here) after baptism by immersion," but he also quoted Isaiah 66:23, which says - "And it shall be from new moon to new moon And from sabbath to sabbath, All mankind will come to bow down before Me," says the LORD." He interpreted this as all flesh (all people) will keep God's Sabbath in order to avoid the second death in Revelation 20:15.

Doesn't that just mean that everyone will worship God every day and not on just one given day???

 

[Grace777x70]

Doesn't that just mean that everyone will worship God every day and not on just one given day???

Yes.....from Sabbath to Sabbath is the Jewish way of describing things when the prophet Isaiah 66:23 was written.

It means from one day to the other. In our modern usage we would say - from Friday to Friday or Monday to Monday or January to January.