When Sin Becomes Good

[Stephen63]

The divorce is not the sin the remarriage is the sin. Now how can what God called adultry that is put away be commiting another sin?

I will gladly throw this out, as there are other issues with this topic.

For instance, a person who has killed someone has committed murder.....does that make him a perpetual murderer?

Since this situation happened one time (the marriage), is this considered perpetual adultery? No where does any translations say "adulteries". They only married once.

A "player" commits multiple adulteries, & is classified as an adulterer, or a whoremonger. I have never found any such names mentioned around these subjects classifying them as such.

 

[blue_ladybug]

I will gladly throw this out, as there are other issues with this topic.

For instance, a person who has killed someone has committed murder.....does that make him a perpetual murderer?

Since this situation happened one time (the marriage), is this considered perpetual adultery? No where does any translations say "adulteries". They only married once.

no, but if they keep on killing people, it makes them a serial killer..

 

[mystdancer50]

It is also possible that she is the caller for the weekly bingo games.

This actually made me LOL. Thanks for lightening my rapidly darkening mood as I read this thread.

 

[mystdancer50]

What amazes me is the permitted sins in the church and yet we will bash wounded people over the head because their marriages failed and they divorced. We would then say that they can never remarry. Ever. But, if they want to fornicate? Why not? Gluttony? Sure! Lie? Everyone does it! Gossip? Well, we're talking about the fact that they're divorced and are considering marrying again...all in the name of the Lord, right? Baby showers for unwed mothers. Pole Dancing lessons in the church for free if you bring Sunday's church pamphlet (and, yes, this did happen). 50 Shades of Grey read by a women's church group (more than one, actually). And on and on and on it goes. But, yes, by all means, let's attack the divorced people and let the homosexuals lead ministries in our churches. Yuppers.

I think this is one of the main reasons Jesus said for the one without sin to cast the first stone, don't you?

 

[Stephen63]

Ezekiel 18:21-29 (KJV) [SUP]21 [/SUP]But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die. [SUP]22 [/SUP]All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live. [SUP]23 [/SUP]Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live? [SUP]24 [/SUP]But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die. [SUP]25 [/SUP]Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal? [SUP]26 [/SUP]When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die. [SUP]27 [/SUP]Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive. [SUP]28 [/SUP]Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, he shall not die. [SUP]29 [/SUP]Yet saith the house of Israel, The way of the Lord is not equal. O house of Israel, are not my ways equal? are not your ways unequal?

Again, the fruit confirms the individual. Should I judge against obvious good fruit? If God is able to make His servants stand, who am I to pull them down?

 

[Gr8grace]

What did Christ die for? We have Him relegated to a tutor on how to live.

He came for us,died for us, paid for our sins.........So we COULD live.

Learn the spiritual life~~Morality follows.

Learn morality~~miss out on the spiritual life.

 

[p_rehbein]

" 'For I hate divorce,” says the Lord, the God of Israel, “and him who covers his garment with wrong,” says the Lord of hosts. “So take heed to your spirit, that you do not deal treacherously.' ” (Malachi 2:16)

Can what God hates not be a sin?

Good thing He invented Grace huh? Now, if we could JUST get folks to understand and accept Grace, things would be a lot better.

 

[p_rehbein]

So w aoman cannot talk in the church?

How do you read the Scripture? (this isn't my idea, just stating what's in Scripture)

 

[p_rehbein]

Let me try to explain it this way.

Question: What "standard" do you apply to determine which part of Scripture is to be strictly adhered to, and which part can be, well, for lack of a better term, "optional?"

1 Corinthians 14: Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. 35) And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.



Is this to be strictly adhered to as you are stating the rules about divorce and remarrying? Or, are these just "optional?"


I'm asking because it doesn't seem quite right to extract one part of Scripture and use it to pass judgment on folks, while not using all Scripture to do so. Someone has already said something about "casting the first stone," I'm wondering if we should avoid casting stones and concentrate on assuring ourselves that WE are in complete obedience to Scripture.

 

[iwant2serve]

Let me try to explain it this way.

Question: What "standard" do you apply to determine which part of Scripture is to be strictly adhered to, and which part can be, well, for lack of a better term, "optional?"

1 Corinthians 14: Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. 35) And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.



Is this to be strictly adhered to as you are stating the rules about divorce and remarrying? Or, are these just "optional?"


I'm asking because it doesn't seem quite right to extract one part of Scripture and use it to pass judgment on folks, while not using all Scripture to do so. Someone has already said something about "casting the first stone," I'm wondering if we should avoid casting stones and concentrate on assuring ourselves that WE are in complete obedience to Scripture.

They why were there prophetess, and why did he continue to say ask you own husband at home. If you going to pick a scripture then take the whole context and see not just what favors your point.

 

[iwant2serve]

What amazes me is the permitted sins in the church and yet we will bash wounded people over the head because their marriages failed and they divorced. We would then say that they can never remarry. Ever. But, if they want to fornicate? Why not? Gluttony? Sure! Lie? Everyone does it! Gossip? Well, we're talking about the fact that they're divorced and are considering marrying again...all in the name of the Lord, right? Baby showers for unwed mothers. Pole Dancing lessons in the church for free if you bring Sunday's church pamphlet (and, yes, this did happen). 50 Shades of Grey read by a women's church group (more than one, actually). And on and on and on it goes. But, yes, by all means, let's attack the divorced people and let the homosexuals lead ministries in our churches. Yuppers.

I think this is one of the main reasons Jesus said for the one without sin to cast the first stone, don't you?

I don't leave out anything whatever God says is sin that it is. This is not in anyway to bash divorced people yet there is the Bible that says what it says no matter how we have been hurt or how we feel.

 

[iwant2serve]

I will gladly throw this out, as there are other issues with this topic.

For instance, a person who has killed someone has committed murder.....does that make him a perpetual murderer?

Since this situation happened one time (the marriage), is this considered perpetual adultery? No where does any translations say "adulteries". They only married once.

A "player" commits multiple adulteries, & is classified as an adulterer, or a whoremonger. I have never found any such names mentioned around these subjects classifying them as such.

So what you are saying is the one remarriage is only adultery one time and if they repent then it is no longer adultery but now a G od approved marriage? Yet they continue to share the same bed every night So with that understanding a murderer can murder one time and be forgiven and the rest of the murders don't count as murder?

 

[Jeff_56]

S..... is the one remarriage is only adultery one time and if they repent then it is no longer adultery but now a G od approved marriage? Yet they continue to share the same bed every night .......

"if they repent": means they turn to God , confess and turn away from their sin (i.e. stop living together, until all previous spouses have passed on), and don't willingly want to continue in sin.

very few people are willing to turn to God - people 'feel' too guilty, and rightly so(they are too guilty, and don't want to really do what God says). very few exceptions who actually DO REPENT of THEIR SIN, and go and sin no more. (even "wanting to not sin" or "wanting to seek God" is a gift, sheer grace, and still few ever receive it).

stick simply with GOD'S WORD AND WHAT IS WRITTEN. not what man says about the word.

God says HE HIMSELF has everyone's best interest , as many as love Him and are called according to HIS PURPOSE (not any man's interest or purpose even 'to be saved' as if possible)...

and GOD is ABLE to DO all that HE SAYS for HIS FLOCK (HIS FLOCK who listen and obey; not any who follow another voice instead of the one good shepherd) ....

 

[p_rehbein]

They why were there prophetess, and why did he continue to say ask you own husband at home. If you going to pick a scripture then take the whole context and see not just what favors your point.

Oh, I see, when you don't agree with Scripture you seek to explain away your disobedience of it. Hmm......let me read through the comments here again.............

Your hypocrisy is duly noted: I know YOU would NEVER do such a thing right?

I mean, gee, that isn't what THIS THREAD is an example of..............

(goodness)

 

[iwant2serve]

Oh, I see, when you don't agree with Scripture you seek to explain away your disobedience of it. Hmm......let me read through the comments here again.............

Your hypocrisy is duly noted: I know YOU would NEVER do such a thing right?

I mean, gee, that isn't what THIS THREAD is an example of..............

(goodness)

For your inquiring mind tha this my wife who was standing with me thanking the people for celebrating our 1st church anniversary. So before you decide to make a comment know what you are talking about. Now show me a scripture that will support your view on that she cannot do that.

 

[Stephen63]

So what you are saying is the one remarriage is only adultery one time and if they repent then it is no longer adultery but now a G od approved marriage? Yet they continue to share the same bed every night So with that understanding a murderer can murder one time and be forgiven and the rest of the murders don't count as murder?

I am simply stating that to the best of my knowledge, "adultery" is singular. Adultery..... adulteries. It is a single sin.

How is it Adultery is considered a perpetual sin? How is it that unconverted sinners are forgiven for their adultery, allowed to remain married, & saints are required to divorce in your eyes? Is not God's word equal for everybody? Will not everyone be judged by the same Word? What about the children? Should they be separated from their parents for this? Will they not blame the church for what happens to their family? Should the next generation suffer for a sin they never committed?

Whenever we treat people differently for the same sin, we are a respecter of persons. If we demand more than what the Word specifies, we add to the Word, making it of none effect. We, then, stand in greater need than those we find fault with. Sorry, but that's the way it is.

Remember the woman at the well? Jesus NEVER judged her for her MANY adulteries..... He came to seek & save those that are lost.

 

[iwant2serve]

I am simply stating that to the best of my knowledge, "adultery" is singular. Adultery..... adulteries. It is a single sin.

How is it Adultery is considered a perpetual sin? How is it that unconverted sinners are forgiven for their adultery, allowed to remain married, & saints are required to divorce in your eyes? Is not God's word equal for everybody? Will not everyone be judged by the same Word? What about the children? Should they be separated from their parents for this? Will they not blame the church for what happens to their family? Should the next generation suffer for a sin they never committed?

Whenever we treat people differently for the same sin, we are a respecter of persons. If we demand more than what the Word specifies, we add to the Word, making it of none effect. We, then, stand in greater need than those we find fault with. Sorry, but that's the way it is.

Remember the woman at the well? Jesus NEVER judged her for her MANY adulteries..... He came to seek & save those that are lost.

I believe that the same goes for thoes who are not saved as well. The instuctions are the same for the saved and unsaved. Also there are consiquences for all sins (some more serious than others). The word adultery can be used as singular or pluar because it is a act commited. The Bible uses the term commits adultry with is continual, if it were singular it would say commit adultry, as Thy shall not commit adultry.

 

[Stephen63]

I believe that the same goes for thoes who are not saved as well. The instuctions are the same for the saved and unsaved. Also there are consiquences for all sins (some more serious than others). The word adultery can be used as singular or pluar because it is a act commited. The Bible uses the term commits adultry with is continual, if it were singular it would say commit adultry, as Thy shall not commit adultry.

Matthew 5:32 (KJV) But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

Matthew 19:9 (KJV) And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

Singular.

 

[p_rehbein]

For your inquiring mind tha this my wife who was standing with me thanking the people for celebrating our 1st church anniversary. So before you decide to make a comment know what you are talking about. Now show me a scripture that will support your view on that she cannot do that.

I already did. You ignored it, or, tried to excuse it away. The point is, you (for whatever reason) have picked out one point of Scripture to beat like a drum while ignoring other points of Scripture that people/Pastors/Churches violate every day.

The Apostle did not clarify that women (in certain instances, for certain reasons) could speak in church, he clearly stated for them to keep silence. One violation of Scripture is no worse than another. That is the point.

 

[kennethcadwell]

I believe that the same goes for thoes who are not saved as well. The instuctions are the same for the saved and unsaved. Also there are consiquences for all sins (some more serious than others). The word adultery can be used as singular or pluar because it is a act commited. The Bible uses the term commits adultry with is continual, if it were singular it would say commit adultry, as Thy shall not commit adultry.

You do know that the Lord Jesus and Apostle Paul both give circumstances that relieve a person from committing adultery if they divorce and marry again ???

It is not as simple as if you divorce then marry another you commit adultery, for the bible clearly gives circumstances that allows divorce to take place and frees the person to remarry............