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It was very hard to find a Artist who had depicted Jesus as a man with a medium skin tone, like most Nazarenes of today, but I finally found one. Therefore this probably comes way closer to the truth, than the thousands of pictures painted with Him looking like a European.
T
Here's a good introduction to the topic:
https://answersingenesis.org/tower-of-babel/how-many-races-did-god-create/
For a great in-depth book, I highly recommend One Human Family by Dr. Carl Wieland of Creation Ministries International. Some sample pages can be read here:
One Human Family by Dr Carl Wieland - Bible, Science, Race, Culture
https://answersingenesis.org/tower-of-babel/how-many-races-did-god-create/
For a great in-depth book, I highly recommend One Human Family by Dr. Carl Wieland of Creation Ministries International. Some sample pages can be read here:
One Human Family by Dr Carl Wieland - Bible, Science, Race, Culture
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T
No worries, brother. I seriously doubt Cush was the first black guy. There was likely some variety of 'colours' in Noah's family or at least in his son's wives. But that's speculation. The father of the Italians and Native Americans isn't fully known, as there were more than one. I'm just giving you the information that's related to your question about Italians and Native Americans. Of course these descendants of Noah's grandsons (or the grandsons themselves) travelled many other places.
Noah's son, Shem:
Probably none.
Noah's son, Ham:
Casluhites (Philistines) settled in some Mediterranean islands and Sidon may have done the same. Put's descendants settled in Central America and possibly South America. Mizraim (Egypt)'s descendants and the Sinites may have settled in the Americas.
Noah's son, Japheth:
The descendants of Japheth's sons Javan, Elishah, Tarshish, Kittim, Rodanim settled in many places, but also along the Mediterranean coasts. One such place they all settled was in southern Italy. Their brother Gomer's descendants settled in northern Italy. The descendants of their brothers Ashkenaz, Magog and Tubal may have settled in the Americas, but not much is known about them. Tubal's descendants settled in Italy, Meshech's created Moche culture (some Peruvians) and was possibly the ancestor of other Americas like Eskimo and Aleuts. Tiras' descendants settled in Italy and the Americas.
Source: Tower of Babel: The Cultural History of Our Ancestors by Bodie Hodge. pp.179-182.
Published 2012. (This book is a brilliant read. I highly recommend it)
Noah's son, Shem:
Probably none.
Noah's son, Ham:
Casluhites (Philistines) settled in some Mediterranean islands and Sidon may have done the same. Put's descendants settled in Central America and possibly South America. Mizraim (Egypt)'s descendants and the Sinites may have settled in the Americas.
Noah's son, Japheth:
The descendants of Japheth's sons Javan, Elishah, Tarshish, Kittim, Rodanim settled in many places, but also along the Mediterranean coasts. One such place they all settled was in southern Italy. Their brother Gomer's descendants settled in northern Italy. The descendants of their brothers Ashkenaz, Magog and Tubal may have settled in the Americas, but not much is known about them. Tubal's descendants settled in Italy, Meshech's created Moche culture (some Peruvians) and was possibly the ancestor of other Americas like Eskimo and Aleuts. Tiras' descendants settled in Italy and the Americas.
Source: Tower of Babel: The Cultural History of Our Ancestors by Bodie Hodge. pp.179-182.
Published 2012. (This book is a brilliant read. I highly recommend it)
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J
i think cush may have been the 1st black guy as the kingdom of cush was thought to be the 1st African kingdom (real Africans). Egypt and Phoenicia were African kingdoms but they were more Mediterranean.
somebody from ancient times went to the Americas cause there is mountains of evidence that the culture here is much older than they thought maybe 20 yrs back. i think this is why the 1st Europeans went to such extremes in destroying all the records here.
also i thought i remembered reading about Magog being the fathdr of the Britons.
somebody from ancient times went to the Americas cause there is mountains of evidence that the culture here is much older than they thought maybe 20 yrs back. i think this is why the 1st Europeans went to such extremes in destroying all the records here.
also i thought i remembered reading about Magog being the fathdr of the Britons.
T
I'm not sure about Cush. You're right about Egypt and Phoenicia. Mizraim (Egypt) travelled to north-eastern Africa and possibly his descendants reached the Americas. Definitely some ancient people came to the Americas, for all people travelled from the Tower of Babel in Shinar (the Middle East) to the 'four corners' of the world.
Biblical creationists theorise that people came to the Americas within a couple hundred years of the Tower of Babel dispersion (possibly sooner). That's around the time Abram (who later became Abraham) was born (approximately 2000BC).
I'm not sure why the 1st Europeans destroyed all of the records there. It was probably a superiority thing. Conquering nations tended to destroy other nations to destroy people's history and therefore their identity.
As for Magog, some of his descendants were the Scythians and most Slavic-speaking peoples. Others travelled to Ireland, Scotland, some in Sweden, Ukraine, Russia, Moldova, Poland, and possibly the Americas. There's no mention of him being the father of the Britons. The fathers of the Britons were Noah's grandsons Javan, Elishah, Tarshish, Kittim, Rodanim and Tubal.
Biblical creationists theorise that people came to the Americas within a couple hundred years of the Tower of Babel dispersion (possibly sooner). That's around the time Abram (who later became Abraham) was born (approximately 2000BC).
I'm not sure why the 1st Europeans destroyed all of the records there. It was probably a superiority thing. Conquering nations tended to destroy other nations to destroy people's history and therefore their identity. As for Magog, some of his descendants were the Scythians and most Slavic-speaking peoples. Others travelled to Ireland, Scotland, some in Sweden, Ukraine, Russia, Moldova, Poland, and possibly the Americas. There's no mention of him being the father of the Britons. The fathers of the Britons were Noah's grandsons Javan, Elishah, Tarshish, Kittim, Rodanim and Tubal.
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K
Adam and Eve were Jewish- thus the seed-line. But as people spread throughout the world as God commanded (be fruitful and fill the earth), those who were closer to the equator gradually became darker-skinned generation after generation, and those furthest away from the equator became lighter skinned with blond hair. This happens over a very long period of time, that's why people in Alaska still look Indian. Although Christians are everywhere, for the most part, the bible says the evil people will choose to live in a sun-scorched land. Christians can come from any nationality from anywhere in the world, but some areas of the world are more evil that others, but that doesn't mean someone is evil just because of their nationality or because of where they were born.
T
Um, they were created long before Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were conceived. So Adam and Eve couldn't have been Jewish. Also, people didn't spread throughout the world until the post-Flood incident of the Tower of Babel, where God confused the languages of family groups - from one universal language to many. Then they had no choice but to relocate to other parts of the world. I find the rest of your post questionable.
T
Interesting... I didn't know Adam and Eve were Jewish??? My understanding is that the Jews are from the tribes of Judah and Benjamin? Do you have Biblical evidence for your claim?
Oi, but if Adam and Eve were Jewish we are all Jewish
Oi, but if Adam and Eve were Jewish we are all Jewish
Skin color isn't trully race. Race is family descent. As pointed out earlier by others, the carnal races of today's time originate from Shem, Ham, and Japheth, so that is where the differences arise. Carnally Noah and hiswife would be the last point wherein the carnal races of today converged. Spiritually, Jesus is the convergence of our spiritual race.
Noah and his wife likely looked as all the races of today blended together. As for Adam and Eve that's harder to determine because there were multiple lost races before the Flood seeing as Adam had many children but only Noah and his wife were spared (and of course is his sons and their wives.)
On the topic of skin color, it's quite possible that not all of the Hamites were dark-skinned, the only Hamitic tribe mentioned in the Bible as being particularly dark of hue is Cush. It is also possible not all the Japhethites (the Europeans of old) were milky white either. The Semites of today of course, being the biggest racial group come in many hues from very fair in complexion to olive-skinned to dark. It seems that all humanity is of many tones when it comes to skin color. If people can get past vain prejudice, it is actually quite fascinating and a testament to the master artistry of God.
Noah and his wife likely looked as all the races of today blended together. As for Adam and Eve that's harder to determine because there were multiple lost races before the Flood seeing as Adam had many children but only Noah and his wife were spared (and of course is his sons and their wives.)
On the topic of skin color, it's quite possible that not all of the Hamites were dark-skinned, the only Hamitic tribe mentioned in the Bible as being particularly dark of hue is Cush. It is also possible not all the Japhethites (the Europeans of old) were milky white either. The Semites of today of course, being the biggest racial group come in many hues from very fair in complexion to olive-skinned to dark. It seems that all humanity is of many tones when it comes to skin color. If people can get past vain prejudice, it is actually quite fascinating and a testament to the master artistry of God.
Okay, I re-read Isaiah 53 twice, all 12 verses, and I do not even find where it says HE had ordinary Jewish features.
Isaiah 53:1-3 (NKJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Who has believed our report? And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?
[SUP]2 [/SUP] For He shall grow up before Him as a tender plant, And as a root out of dry ground. He has no form or comeliness; And when we see Him, There is no beauty that we should desire Him.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] He is despised and rejected by men, A Man of sorrows and acquainted with grief. And we hid, as it were, our faces from Him; He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.
It does say recognize Him as a Nazarene in this verse.
Matthew 26:71 (BBE)
[SUP]71 [/SUP] And when he had gone out into the doorway, another saw him and says to those who were there, This man was with Jesus the Nazarene.
No beauty in His Features, No comeliness, even somewhat despised features; so maybe he looked more like this:
Or maybe even like this man:
Or maybe like this man from Nazareth:
What we do know for SURE is that he had a beard, as the Bible says Christ FULFILLED or will FULFILL EVERY SINGLE MESSIANIC PROPHECY, and therefore one of the Roman Soldiers had to have pulled out part of His beard; because the following is considered to be a Messianic Prophecy.
Isaiah 50:6 (NRSV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] I gave my back to those who struck me, and my cheeks to those who pulled out the beard; I did not hide my face from insult and spitting.
Isaiah 53:1-3 (NKJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Who has believed our report? And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?
[SUP]2 [/SUP] For He shall grow up before Him as a tender plant, And as a root out of dry ground. He has no form or comeliness; And when we see Him, There is no beauty that we should desire Him.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] He is despised and rejected by men, A Man of sorrows and acquainted with grief. And we hid, as it were, our faces from Him; He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.
It does say recognize Him as a Nazarene in this verse.
Matthew 26:71 (BBE)
[SUP]71 [/SUP] And when he had gone out into the doorway, another saw him and says to those who were there, This man was with Jesus the Nazarene.
No beauty in His Features, No comeliness, even somewhat despised features; so maybe he looked more like this:
Or maybe even like this man:
Or maybe like this man from Nazareth:
What we do know for SURE is that he had a beard, as the Bible says Christ FULFILLED or will FULFILL EVERY SINGLE MESSIANIC PROPHECY, and therefore one of the Roman Soldiers had to have pulled out part of His beard; because the following is considered to be a Messianic Prophecy.
Isaiah 50:6 (NRSV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] I gave my back to those who struck me, and my cheeks to those who pulled out the beard; I did not hide my face from insult and spitting.