Where Did God Come From

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thefightinglamb

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I may have outstretched myself a bit in saying 'why' is meaningless...

The question of 'why' has different qualifiars, it can mean why as in 'what purpose is there' or as in 'is there worth in" both of these are infathomable, but both can be answered by an honest heart as simply being "for God."

But the question of why? that presumes 'why does it exist anyway'? Presumes a certain pride in our minds, the question is actually asking "WHy would God make such and such?" or "why would God create himself?" Both questions are loaded and depend on a question or suggestion beforehand about "what governs God?" or "what drives God?" or "if I was God why would I create such and such, or why would I myself exist/be?"

All these questions are impossible to answer as God is far above human reasoning...Imagine how intelligent humans think compared to animals...that is but a decimal of how far God thinks and designs above our 'vain reasonings'...

GOD BLESS

tony

ps...one why has no answer that humans can answer, the other why is also concealed in God's being...
 
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icilian

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thefightinglamb said:
I may have outstretched myself a bit in saying 'why' is meaningless...

The question of 'why' has different qualifiars, it can mean why as in 'what purpose is there' or as in 'is there worth in" both of these are infathomable, but both can be answered by an honest heart as simply being "for God."

But the question of why? that presumes 'why does it exist anyway'? Presumes a certain pride in our minds, the question is actually asking "WHy would God make such and such?" or "why would God create himself?" Both questions are loaded and depend on a question or suggestion beforehand about "what governs God?" or "what drives God?" or "if I was God why would I create such and such, or why would I myself exist/be?"

All these questions are impossible to answer as God is far above human reasoning...Imagine how intelligent humans think compared to animals...that is but a decimal of how far God thinks and designs above our 'vain reasonings'...

GOD BLESS

tony

ps...one why has no answer that humans can answer, the other why is also concealed in God's being...
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The question in bold: "why does it exist anyway?", that you say presumes a certain pride in our mind, is the question that these arguments I refer to employ. In this instance, the 'it' is humans. The argument demands that humans must be here for a purpose, or by the intention of something.

So, if we honestly apply this standard to all things, we must ask "why is there a God? - for what purpose, and by who's intent?"

Many christians come out then with the answers given before in this thread - he is self-existent, he is eternal, he has always been.

But if it's necessary for the existence of a thing for there to be a purpose or intent behind it, then that applies to God also. Most people cite that he is exempt from being understandable - and so we cannot fathom the truth of this matter. I've never understood why those same people confidently declare that we can fathom the beginning of all things, and that the explanation they are giving is better than saying 'we can't know', 'that's unfathomable', 'we can only speculate' - most often simply by virtue that they have any explanation at all. By this logic, if I said that God was created by ReshideshiCurryPowder (just an example), then my answer would be superior to your answer that it cannot be fathomed.

I hope that makes some sort of sense. Essentially, without assuming the existence of God, arguing that he must exist for us to exist just adds another step to the questioning process. If we conclude that one is unanswerable or unknown, there's no reason that we shouldn't save a step, and say that we don't already know the deep mysteries of the hows and whys.
 
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eric51

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Christians from the first, and their perception in large part is inherited from their jewish predecessors, believe that God is ETERNAL. Always existed. And the universe, the material, spatial, environment we can see, is all a creation of God. GOD IS THE ESSENCE OF BEING, the ESSENCE OF EXISTENCE. When one believes this, then the answer to your intriguing question presents itself. GOD came from nowhere, since location, since physicality, is a creation of God which only exists in our dimension, a dimension that GOD created. Christians have taught from the very beginning that GOD has no shape, no form, no parts, no physicality. Were it otherwise, then God would not be omnipotent. A physical body, body parts, places limits on one's capabilities.

This is a very deep subject. May I recommend an excellent book:

THEOLOGY AND SANITY by Frank Sheed

GOD BLESS
 
iwant2serve

iwant2serve

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Well when I asked this question I was curious aboout what others thought. I know if I have thought it from a child then others have had that same thought. Questions like this are shun upon by many so called mature christians. As I said before many should consider how they answer the questions that are posted because you never know the level of the person asking it, or the people reading it. It is a challeging question that no one has an answer to. Yet to call it basically stupid and irrelevent is plain rude.How would you answer you child or a newly born christian if they asked this question. It is ok to say I don't know, it is ok to say I wondered the same thing, as well as it is ok to say I choose not to ponder on that one.
 
NoahsDad

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Hab 3:1 A prayer of Habakkuk the prophet upon Shigionoth.
Hab 3:2 O LORD, I have heard thy speech, and was afraid: O LORD, revive thy work in the midst of the years, in the midst of the years make known; in wrath remember mercy.
Hab 3:3 God came from Teman, and the Holy One from mount Paran. Selah.(<Think about it) His glory covered the heavens, and the earth was full of his praise.
Hab 3:4 And his brightness was as the light; he had horns coming out of his hand; and there was the hiding of his power.
Hab 3:5 Before him went the pestilence, and burning coals went forth at his feet.
Hab 3:6 He stood, and measured the earth: he beheld, and drove asunder the nations; and the everlasting mountains were scattered, the perpetual hills did bow: his ways are everlasting.
Nuf Said?
 
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icilian

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Not quite nuf! Not until i know what teman is. Google time!

EDIT: Right hand or south, ehy?
 
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suaso

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eric51 said:
This is a very deep subject. May I recommend an excellent book:

THEOLOGY AND SANITY by Frank Sheed

GOD BLESS
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Theology for Beginners by Frank Sheed is also really good, and speaks about the nature of God also.
 
NoahsDad

NoahsDad

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Heres a thaught Hughby..........How bout not going to google to find out where or what teman is,And just go to where I showed you it is written to see what he is talkin about.........
hahahahahahaa :)
 
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icilian

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NoahsDad said:
Heres a thaught Hughby..........How bout not going to google to find out where or what teman is,And just go to where I showed you it is written to see what he is talkin about.........
hahahahahahaa :)
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:p Oh hush! You and your ..sensible.. logic .. thingies! :(!







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NoahsMom

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JUST READ HUGH...it wont hurt none, i promise.
 
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icilian

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NoahsMom said:
JUST READ HUGH...it wont hurt none, i promise.
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Ima readin! I did read once through, and my sleepy brain went 'ARUGUHUARRRH" and died. So I turned to google.

Google is the word my brain says when it's too tired to think. ;)
 
lambsy

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Life consists of far more than what we can see, hear, taste, smell and touch. There is also a spiritual dimension which is far more real because it goes on forever.



God is Love. He is from love and in love. His love is eternal and his presence is eternal ad continuum. He is from the life-force, omnipotent and omnipresent.

Remember the spiritual reality that lies behind what we can see and the tangible. Jesus reigns over all!

Jesus -overcame sin, death and satan.

For Reflection

'...he raised him from the dead and seated him at the right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fulness of him who fills everything in every way.' (EPH. 1:20-23)

Optional further reading

Psalm 68; Revelation 12:10-11
The Lamb wins!, Richard Bewes ( Christian Focus Publications, 2006)
 
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Slepsog4

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God said, "I am that I am". His name, Yahweh, literally means self-existent. The name comes from the "be" verb, havah.

God, who cannot lie, states that before himi and besides him there is no other.

He is the uncaused cause of all that is. In the beginning God... He was already there. He is eternal, immortal, and invisible.
 
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