Where Does a Heretic go After God's Judgment?
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"From the evidence you present it is a good thing to be considered a heretic by those who are apostate."
One quality shared by most heretics is that they reasoned things out for themselves. This is, of course, the one quality that the powerful, whether clerical or secular, cannot afford to exist. Every thought that they cannot control is a threat. See what happened when one muslim "Mohamed Bouazizi", set fire to himself iin protest of police corruption and ill treatment. Government after government fell and some are still in the process of falling.
In the age of the internet nothing can be hidden for long.
Ideas are precious to those that think them, are dangerous to those who are shamed by them.
When we have fresh ideas we are often not surprised to discover we are wrong but what is important is how we discover we are wrong. If it just shouted down as happens in the middle east we are not convinced however if we are argued against in a properly conducted debate then we might have cause to pause.
One useful idea is "The Flying Spagetti Monster" that now has his own gospel and his own church. If something is claimed to be true and the only evidence is bible quotations or the authority of the church(s) then all that needs to be done to reach a stalemate is to quote from the gospel of the Flying Spagetti. Am I being serious? yes I am. There is only as much evidence in some peoples eyes of the existance of Jesus Christ as there is of the existance of the Flying Spagetti Monster.
Ideas need to be challenged by the tools of logic we have and the EVIDENCE we have available.
While our society continues to generate heretics then we will know our society has at least one shred of sanity left.
Peace.
Heretic
One quality shared by most heretics is that they reasoned things out for themselves. This is, of course, the one quality that the powerful, whether clerical or secular, cannot afford to exist. Every thought that they cannot control is a threat. See what happened when one muslim "Mohamed Bouazizi", set fire to himself iin protest of police corruption and ill treatment. Government after government fell and some are still in the process of falling.
In the age of the internet nothing can be hidden for long.
Ideas are precious to those that think them, are dangerous to those who are shamed by them.
When we have fresh ideas we are often not surprised to discover we are wrong but what is important is how we discover we are wrong. If it just shouted down as happens in the middle east we are not convinced however if we are argued against in a properly conducted debate then we might have cause to pause.
One useful idea is "The Flying Spagetti Monster" that now has his own gospel and his own church. If something is claimed to be true and the only evidence is bible quotations or the authority of the church(s) then all that needs to be done to reach a stalemate is to quote from the gospel of the Flying Spagetti. Am I being serious? yes I am. There is only as much evidence in some peoples eyes of the existance of Jesus Christ as there is of the existance of the Flying Spagetti Monster.
Ideas need to be challenged by the tools of logic we have and the EVIDENCE we have available.
While our society continues to generate heretics then we will know our society has at least one shred of sanity left.
Peace.
Heretic
Heresy, from greek hairesis, means option, choice. Heretics are not people who reason things for themselves, but people who understand things unilaterally, who chose only a part from the whole and say that that part is the whole. For example, saying that Jesus Christ is only man, or that He is only God is heretic because it focuses only on one part of the whole (the whole being that Jesus Christ is BOTH God and man).
Heresy is being obsessed with something and seeing only that thing, understanding things in a twisted way, not being capable to embrace the paradox.
I never heard people camparing the existence of Socrates with a Flying Spaghetti Monster. Actually, I am not surprised.
We can only talk about heretics in the church or from a church. The secular society does not generate heretics, but brainwashed idiots who don't read books only the chewed ideas of others about books, and then feel intelligent when comparing the existence of Jesus Christ with that of a spaghetti flying monster.
Heresy is being obsessed with something and seeing only that thing, understanding things in a twisted way, not being capable to embrace the paradox.
I never heard people camparing the existence of Socrates with a Flying Spaghetti Monster. Actually, I am not surprised.
We can only talk about heretics in the church or from a church. The secular society does not generate heretics, but brainwashed idiots who don't read books only the chewed ideas of others about books, and then feel intelligent when comparing the existence of Jesus Christ with that of a spaghetti flying monster.
guesswho "Heresy, from greek hairesis, means option, choice. Heretics are not people who reason things for themselves, but people who understand things unilaterally, who chose only a part from the whole and say that that part is the whole. For example, saying that Jesus Christ is only man, or that He is only God is heretic because it focuses only on one part of the whole (the whole being that Jesus Christ is BOTH God and man).
Heresy is being obsessed with something and seeing only that thing, understanding things in a twisted way, not being capable to embrace the paradox. "
Let us take this one step at a time.” Heretics are not people who reason things for themselves, but people who understand things unilaterally, who chose only a part from the whole and say that that part is the whole”. I think you will as wide a spectrum of Heretics as I find of Christians.
Heretics are defined as
noun
1. a person believing in or practising religious heresy.
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o a person holding an opinion at odds with what is generally accepted.
At Dictionary.com
Heretic n
1. (Roman Catholic Church) chiefly RC Church a person who maintains beliefs contrary to the established teachingsof the Church
2. a person who holds unorthodox opinions in any field
heretical adj
heˈretically adv
Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged, 12th Edition 2014 © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2011, 2014
her•e•tic
n.
1. a professed believer who maintains religious beliefs contrary to those accepted by his or her church.
2. a professed believer who willfully and persistently rejects any part of the doctrine of his or her church.
3. anyone who does not conform to an established view, doctrine, or principle.
adj.
4. heretical.
At Dictionary, Encyclopedia and Thesaurus - The Free Dictionary
I fail to see your definition here but maybe you can point to the dictionary you use
guesswho said “We can only talk about heretics in the church or from a church.”
That is your freedom but I can choose to talk about heretics in any sense I choose
eg: I could choose to say that an itinerant preacher chose to become a heretic in Judea and was crucified for his trouble. This would fit the part of the definition that says “3. anyone who does not conform to an established view, doctrine, or principle.
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guesswho”The secular society does not generate heretics, but brainwashed idiots who”
Matthew 5:22 KJV
22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
guesswho ”don't read books only the chewed ideas of others about books,”
I don’t know where you got that from? Maybe you are talking to someone else? Who did the brainwashing? How was it done? Why only some people? Why not all?
guesswho”and then feel intelligent when comparing the existence of Jesus Christ with that of a spaghetti flying monster.”
You might find that idea offensive and you are free to be offended if you so choose.
I might choose to be offended that someone that has an imaginary friend compares him to the sacred Flying Spaghetti Monster but that will get us nowhere.
The Flying Spaghetti Monster is useful in this sense. There is as much hard evidence that the Flying Spaghetti Monster created the universe as there is that the one you call God did. None
The Flying Spaghetti Monster is merely a tool that helps religious people understand that they need to bring evidence to the table, no more, no less.
Peace
Heretic
Heresy is being obsessed with something and seeing only that thing, understanding things in a twisted way, not being capable to embrace the paradox. "
Let us take this one step at a time.” Heretics are not people who reason things for themselves, but people who understand things unilaterally, who chose only a part from the whole and say that that part is the whole”. I think you will as wide a spectrum of Heretics as I find of Christians.
Heretics are defined as
noun
1. a person believing in or practising religious heresy.
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[TD]dissident, dissenter, nonconformist, unorthodox thinker, heterodox thinker, apostate,freethinker, iconoclast, schismatic, renegade; More[/TD]
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o a person holding an opinion at odds with what is generally accepted.
At Dictionary.com
Heretic n
1. (Roman Catholic Church) chiefly RC Church a person who maintains beliefs contrary to the established teachingsof the Church
2. a person who holds unorthodox opinions in any field
heretical adj
heˈretically adv
Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged, 12th Edition 2014 © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2011, 2014
her•e•tic
n.
1. a professed believer who maintains religious beliefs contrary to those accepted by his or her church.
2. a professed believer who willfully and persistently rejects any part of the doctrine of his or her church.
3. anyone who does not conform to an established view, doctrine, or principle.
adj.
4. heretical.
At Dictionary, Encyclopedia and Thesaurus - The Free Dictionary
I fail to see your definition here but maybe you can point to the dictionary you use
guesswho said “We can only talk about heretics in the church or from a church.”
That is your freedom but I can choose to talk about heretics in any sense I choose
eg: I could choose to say that an itinerant preacher chose to become a heretic in Judea and was crucified for his trouble. This would fit the part of the definition that says “3. anyone who does not conform to an established view, doctrine, or principle.
”
guesswho”The secular society does not generate heretics, but brainwashed idiots who”
Matthew 5:22 KJV
22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
guesswho ”don't read books only the chewed ideas of others about books,”
I don’t know where you got that from? Maybe you are talking to someone else? Who did the brainwashing? How was it done? Why only some people? Why not all?
guesswho”and then feel intelligent when comparing the existence of Jesus Christ with that of a spaghetti flying monster.”
You might find that idea offensive and you are free to be offended if you so choose.
I might choose to be offended that someone that has an imaginary friend compares him to the sacred Flying Spaghetti Monster but that will get us nowhere.
The Flying Spaghetti Monster is useful in this sense. There is as much hard evidence that the Flying Spaghetti Monster created the universe as there is that the one you call God did. None
The Flying Spaghetti Monster is merely a tool that helps religious people understand that they need to bring evidence to the table, no more, no less.
Peace
Heretic
I would think we all offer our opinions or private interpretation, as heresy . Christ said there must be heresies as matters of opinion.
Seeing the faith to believe God is after no man. He simply will not share that glory with the flesh of any man, but warns us of those who say we do need a man to teach us an infallible interpreter. Called a daysman
But a heretic is one that denies the grace God needed to obtain a new heart and new spirt that will never die.
The heretic that does despite to His grace goes to place and from that place will never rise to new spirit life forever more.
1Corinthians 11:19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
Seeing the faith to believe God is after no man. He simply will not share that glory with the flesh of any man, but warns us of those who say we do need a man to teach us an infallible interpreter. Called a daysman
But a heretic is one that denies the grace God needed to obtain a new heart and new spirt that will never die.
The heretic that does despite to His grace goes to place and from that place will never rise to new spirit life forever more.
1Corinthians 11:19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
Heretic,
I don't care about the late definitions of heresy. Since you are on a christian chat, I thought you were interested about how the church (not the roman catholic one) saw and understood heresy. I guess you're here for other reasons.
As for getting angry, I am not angry when I call "brainwashed idiots" to be "brainwashed idiots". Idiots still exist in this world, don't they?
Didn't Socrates (if he existed, of course, because we have zero evidence of his existence if we are to judge things according to the atheist standards) define intelligence to be admitting your ignorance? No anger in that. A good diagnosis can lead to remediate the problem. If people (including myself, of course) are unaware of their stupidity how can they get cured?
I don't care about the late definitions of heresy. Since you are on a christian chat, I thought you were interested about how the church (not the roman catholic one) saw and understood heresy. I guess you're here for other reasons.
As for getting angry, I am not angry when I call "brainwashed idiots" to be "brainwashed idiots". Idiots still exist in this world, don't they?
Didn't Socrates (if he existed, of course, because we have zero evidence of his existence if we are to judge things according to the atheist standards) define intelligence to be admitting your ignorance? No anger in that. A good diagnosis can lead to remediate the problem. If people (including myself, of course) are unaware of their stupidity how can they get cured?
guesswho said" I don't care about the late definitions of heresy."
When words are our main means of communication then we need to be clear as to what they mean.
guesswho said" Since you are on a christian chat, I thought you were interested about how the church (not the roman catholic one) "
We can get to understanding exactly what or who the church is. There are about 20,000 (lowest estimate) denominations so we need to find out who is and who is not in the right truth?
guesswho said" saw and understood heresy."
I guess there might be 20,000 different points of view?
guesswho said" I guess you're here for other reasons."
I am here because I believe that truth is important and that there are likely to be a large number of people that mistakenly believe that Christianity is synonymous with truth. This is not a secret, I didn’t hide the reason I am here.
guesswho said" As for getting angry, I am not angry when I call "brainwashed idiots" to be "brainwashed idiots". Idiots still exist in this world, don't they? “
You are certainly not calm. There probably are idiots about but I would hesitate to point anyone out as one. A friend of mine has a 42 year old daughter that has a mental age of a 3 year old. I would not call her an idiot as I can see into her heart and see only love and trust. These might be qualities you ascribe to idiots but I do not.
As for brainwashing do you understand what it is? How it works? And how it can be undone? Do you know the damage people endure during the brainwashing process?
I suspect not.
guesswho said "Didn't Socrates (if he existed, of course, because we have zero evidence of his existence if we are to judge things according to the atheist standards) “
There is plenty of evidence that Plato (Socrates principle disciple) lived and most of what we know about Socrates is from Plato. There is further evidence from Xenophon of whom I know little and also in the plays of his contemporary Aristophanes of whom I also know little.
guesswho said " define intelligence to be admitting your ignorance? “
That is one hell of a paraphrase but yes.
guesswho said "No anger in that. A good diagnosis can lead to remediate the problem. If people (including myself, of course) are unaware of their stupidity how can they get cured?”
Humility should be our companion throughout life and no matter how wise we are or how much knowledge we have there is always something that we can learn from every person we meet.
[HR][/HR]
People have spoken to me before about the structure of my posts when replying to someone. This is just my way of making sure that I don’t take anything out of context or miss something out completely.
[HR][/HR]
Peace
Your Friendly Neighbourhood Heretic
When words are our main means of communication then we need to be clear as to what they mean.
guesswho said" Since you are on a christian chat, I thought you were interested about how the church (not the roman catholic one) "
We can get to understanding exactly what or who the church is. There are about 20,000 (lowest estimate) denominations so we need to find out who is and who is not in the right truth?
guesswho said" saw and understood heresy."
I guess there might be 20,000 different points of view?
guesswho said" I guess you're here for other reasons."
I am here because I believe that truth is important and that there are likely to be a large number of people that mistakenly believe that Christianity is synonymous with truth. This is not a secret, I didn’t hide the reason I am here.
guesswho said" As for getting angry, I am not angry when I call "brainwashed idiots" to be "brainwashed idiots". Idiots still exist in this world, don't they? “
You are certainly not calm. There probably are idiots about but I would hesitate to point anyone out as one. A friend of mine has a 42 year old daughter that has a mental age of a 3 year old. I would not call her an idiot as I can see into her heart and see only love and trust. These might be qualities you ascribe to idiots but I do not.
As for brainwashing do you understand what it is? How it works? And how it can be undone? Do you know the damage people endure during the brainwashing process?
I suspect not.
guesswho said "Didn't Socrates (if he existed, of course, because we have zero evidence of his existence if we are to judge things according to the atheist standards) “
There is plenty of evidence that Plato (Socrates principle disciple) lived and most of what we know about Socrates is from Plato. There is further evidence from Xenophon of whom I know little and also in the plays of his contemporary Aristophanes of whom I also know little.
guesswho said " define intelligence to be admitting your ignorance? “
That is one hell of a paraphrase but yes.
guesswho said "No anger in that. A good diagnosis can lead to remediate the problem. If people (including myself, of course) are unaware of their stupidity how can they get cured?”
Humility should be our companion throughout life and no matter how wise we are or how much knowledge we have there is always something that we can learn from every person we meet.
[HR][/HR]
People have spoken to me before about the structure of my posts when replying to someone. This is just my way of making sure that I don’t take anything out of context or miss something out completely.
[HR][/HR]
Peace
Your Friendly Neighbourhood Heretic
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You quote scripture and Jesus yet deny his existence?
An ID-iot is one controlled by their ID - five senses, ' the flesh' as opposed to an EGO-tist as one controlled by the desires and deceptions of the mind (spirit, attitude).
Jesus represents the LOGOS, the Word of reason, the absolute Logic. Contrast the teachings of Jesus with that of Crowley, the Queen or the archbishop or Hairy Potter set there in the land of saint Andrews cross and you see the difference in logic - one set that leads to justice, civility, peace - another set that appeals to demons of Crowley's ID and EGO appeal, the queen's feminist/Hellenist appeal to Baal, and the archbishops appeal to liberalism and grace witch is lasciviousness.
The gift of Jesus is the document of a New Testament of behaviors and mindsets based on a teaching of cause and effect that led even [sir] Isaac Newton to declare the truth of the scriptures. These teachings simply warn of the causes of mindset and behaviors that lead to suffering, and calls to those mindsets and behaviors that bring justice, civility and peace - and apart from which there can be none. The fact that these behaviors and consequences can be; Observed, Verified, Measured and repeated makes them the essence and epitome of the scientific method.
Cause and Effect
Behavior and Consequences
Action and Reaction
Sowing and Reaping
An ID-iot is one controlled by their ID - five senses, ' the flesh' as opposed to an EGO-tist as one controlled by the desires and deceptions of the mind (spirit, attitude).
Jesus represents the LOGOS, the Word of reason, the absolute Logic. Contrast the teachings of Jesus with that of Crowley, the Queen or the archbishop or Hairy Potter set there in the land of saint Andrews cross and you see the difference in logic - one set that leads to justice, civility, peace - another set that appeals to demons of Crowley's ID and EGO appeal, the queen's feminist/Hellenist appeal to Baal, and the archbishops appeal to liberalism and grace witch is lasciviousness.
The gift of Jesus is the document of a New Testament of behaviors and mindsets based on a teaching of cause and effect that led even [sir] Isaac Newton to declare the truth of the scriptures. These teachings simply warn of the causes of mindset and behaviors that lead to suffering, and calls to those mindsets and behaviors that bring justice, civility and peace - and apart from which there can be none. The fact that these behaviors and consequences can be; Observed, Verified, Measured and repeated makes them the essence and epitome of the scientific method.
Cause and Effect
Behavior and Consequences
Action and Reaction
Sowing and Reaping
The word heresy was used by the unseparated church. The church separated in 1054. So, precisely because nowadays there are more than 20,000 denominations, the meaning used by the unseparated church is much more adequat than the meaning you or other 20,000 denominations want to give to it.
Having discernement is not the opposite of being humble. I refuse to call the hamster an elephant just because the hamster feels good if you call him that way.
You are right, we can learn from every person we meet, including from brainwashed idiots.
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Having discernement is not the opposite of being humble. I refuse to call the hamster an elephant just because the hamster feels good if you call him that way.
You are right, we can learn from every person we meet, including from brainwashed idiots.
[HR][/HR]
psalm6819 said “I'm not yelling and my tone is not snippy or sarcastic, it's just a normal voice”
Not sure I’ve spoken to you at all but I may be wrong.
psalm6819 said “why? you have something better to offer? another gospel?”
Life isn’t that simple, truth is something we discover as we go through life mainly by listening to each other and by using the tools we have at hand patience, the ability to listen rather than just hear, logic, common-sense and with luck good manners.
psalm6819 said “Jesus IS the truth not a man made philosophy like you are peddling”
I am not peddling anything, I don’t claim to have any truth to sell or even share. All I have is the ability to see when what is in front of me doesn’t make sense. All we can do is cling to the truth as we know it and speak with others who do the same and if their truth differs from mine then I may well learn something and so might they.
Peace
Your Friendly Neighbourhood Heretic
Not sure I’ve spoken to you at all but I may be wrong.
psalm6819 said “why? you have something better to offer? another gospel?”
Life isn’t that simple, truth is something we discover as we go through life mainly by listening to each other and by using the tools we have at hand patience, the ability to listen rather than just hear, logic, common-sense and with luck good manners.
psalm6819 said “Jesus IS the truth not a man made philosophy like you are peddling”
I am not peddling anything, I don’t claim to have any truth to sell or even share. All I have is the ability to see when what is in front of me doesn’t make sense. All we can do is cling to the truth as we know it and speak with others who do the same and if their truth differs from mine then I may well learn something and so might they.
Peace
Your Friendly Neighbourhood Heretic
Guesswho said “The word heresy was used by the unseparated church. The church separated in 1054.”
So are you saying that this unseparated church is somehow the ideal church? Is there a surviving dictionary that shows how words were used and their un-heretical meanings? Please point out it’s location.
Guesswho said “So, precisely because nowadays there are more than 20,000 denominations, the meaning used by the unseparated church is much more adequat than the meaning you or other 20,000 denominations want to give to it.”
Again we need a dictionary so that we have agreed terms of reference or we will be dancing around in circles, getting dizzy and worked up without understanding each other.
Guesswho said “Having discernement is not the opposite of being humble.”
This is true however before we stand a chance in wherever of having any possibility of discernment we need to become humble.
Guesswho said “ I refuse to call the hamster an elephant just because the hamster feels good if you call him that way. “
You don’t need to, just call him George.
Guesswho said “You are right, we can learn from every person we meet, including from brainwashed idiots.”
You seem to have a thing about idiots, more so if they are brainwashed. I think you’re trying to make some point through exaggeration and failing to hit the mark. I’m sure if you met an idiot you would show them kindness and respect and show a caring attitude towards them and aid them with anything they were not able to do for themselves.
I still think, though, that you don’t know what brainwashing is. This may help https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_control
Peace
Your Friendly Neighbourhood Heretic
So are you saying that this unseparated church is somehow the ideal church? Is there a surviving dictionary that shows how words were used and their un-heretical meanings? Please point out it’s location.
Guesswho said “So, precisely because nowadays there are more than 20,000 denominations, the meaning used by the unseparated church is much more adequat than the meaning you or other 20,000 denominations want to give to it.”
Again we need a dictionary so that we have agreed terms of reference or we will be dancing around in circles, getting dizzy and worked up without understanding each other.
Guesswho said “Having discernement is not the opposite of being humble.”
This is true however before we stand a chance in wherever of having any possibility of discernment we need to become humble.
Guesswho said “ I refuse to call the hamster an elephant just because the hamster feels good if you call him that way. “
You don’t need to, just call him George.
Guesswho said “You are right, we can learn from every person we meet, including from brainwashed idiots.”
You seem to have a thing about idiots, more so if they are brainwashed. I think you’re trying to make some point through exaggeration and failing to hit the mark. I’m sure if you met an idiot you would show them kindness and respect and show a caring attitude towards them and aid them with anything they were not able to do for themselves.
I still think, though, that you don’t know what brainwashing is. This may help https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_control
Peace
Your Friendly Neighbourhood Heretic
[/QUOTE]Again we need a dictionary so that we have agreed terms of reference or we will be dancing around in circles, getting dizzy and worked up without understanding each other.[/QUOTE]
When you ignore history and historical context in which a word appeared and with what meaing the word was used, the dictionary is not of much help. If I want to know what the Holy Trinity is, I do not go to a dictionary, but to the christian writings.
[/QUOTE]Guesswho said “Having discernement is not the opposite of being humble.”
This is true however before we stand a chance in wherever of having any possibility of discernment we need to become humble.[/QUOTE]
Telling a person what she wants to hear is not being humble. The commercials do that all the time, they tell us we're the best, we're intelligent, we're special, cool etc. (if we buy their product, of course).
[/QUOTE]Guesswho said “ I refuse to call the hamster an elephant just because the hamster feels good if you call him that way. “
You don’t need to, just call him George.[/QUOTE]
The people who put God on the same existential level with a flying donut are all called George?
)))
[/QUOTE]I still think, though, that you don’t know what brainwashing is. This may help https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_control[/QUOTE]
any method of controlled systematic indoctrination, especially onebased on repetition or confusion:brainwashing by TV commercials.
Seems like they fit the definition.
When you ignore history and historical context in which a word appeared and with what meaing the word was used, the dictionary is not of much help. If I want to know what the Holy Trinity is, I do not go to a dictionary, but to the christian writings.
[/QUOTE]Guesswho said “Having discernement is not the opposite of being humble.”
This is true however before we stand a chance in wherever of having any possibility of discernment we need to become humble.[/QUOTE]
Telling a person what she wants to hear is not being humble. The commercials do that all the time, they tell us we're the best, we're intelligent, we're special, cool etc. (if we buy their product, of course).
[/QUOTE]Guesswho said “ I refuse to call the hamster an elephant just because the hamster feels good if you call him that way. “
You don’t need to, just call him George.[/QUOTE]
The people who put God on the same existential level with a flying donut are all called George?
)))[/QUOTE]I still think, though, that you don’t know what brainwashing is. This may help https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_control[/QUOTE]
any method of controlled systematic indoctrination, especially onebased on repetition or confusion:brainwashing by TV commercials.
Seems like they fit the definition.
Sorry, we seem to be talking at cross purposes. I came here to debate and not slanging matches which is what I seem to get from you. If you want this to be a christians only site where everybody preaches to the converted then all you need do is say so and I will leave - I have been on too many sites like that to waste my time. If you want to have any kind of ministry to speak of then you are going to have to communicate with non-christians.
I believe that what you believe in is hogwash and you think the same about what I believe. Ok - now do we talk or do we walk?
Peace
Your Friendly Neighbourhood Heretic
I believe that what you believe in is hogwash and you think the same about what I believe. Ok - now do we talk or do we walk?
Peace
Your Friendly Neighbourhood Heretic
I only told you what a heretic was (because the topic is about heretics) and that people with the flying spagheti monster are brainwashed idiots. I guess you could follow your own advices about humility and anger.
I did not tell you to leave because this site is only for christians. You need to learn to read messages without pre-formed ideas.
I did not tell you to leave because this site is only for christians. You need to learn to read messages without pre-formed ideas.
