Where does the justification for The New Testament doers of the law in Romans 2:13 originate from?

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Soyeong

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I'm not opposed to God's way. I'm following His way by walking in the Spirit. I asked you a question when you replied there was no difference between Jesus and the law. Is Jesus God?
The Mosaic Law is God's way, so are you now in favor of obeying it? The Spirit also has the role of leading us to obey the Mosaic Law (Ezekiel 36:26-27).

Yes, Jesus is God. There is difference between a set of instructions for how to act in accordance with God nature and Jesus insofar as Jesus is the living embodiment of those instructions, in the same way that there is a difference between God's word and God's word made flesh, but the difference is in form, not in greatness. In other words, Jesus is not greater than righteousness, but rather he is the living embodiment of righteousness, and the same is true of other aspects of God's nature.
 

Cameron143

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The Mosaic Law is God's way, so are you now in favor of obeying it? The Spirit also has the role of leading us to obey the Mosaic Law (Ezekiel 36:26-27).

Yes, Jesus is God. There is difference between a set of instructions for how to act in accordance with God nature and Jesus insofar as Jesus is the living embodiment of those instructions, in the same way that there is a difference between God's word and God's word made flesh, but the difference is in form, not in greatness. In other words, Jesus is not greater than righteousness, but rather he is the living embodiment of righteousness, and the same is true of other aspects of God's nature.
I'm always in favor of obedience. Your question is like the one...have you stopped beating your wife? It implies that there was a time when the person was doing so, and yes or no doesn't answer the question truthfully. But the question is purposely posed that way by the questioner to imply guilt where none exists. It's dishonesty in questioning.

Jesus being equal to the law is ridiculous on its face. The law itself is only a portion of the word of God. So empirically, your statement is false. But further, while the law informs us of the attributes of God, it does not display the attributes of God. It does not contain the fulness of the Godhead. And lastly, by virtue of the fact that Jesus is God, and that you believe the law is equal to Jesus, you have made the law to be God. The law has become your idol. Rather than the law bringing you to Christ, you have Christ bringing you to the law.

I wish that I had the power to convince you of your error, but I don't. I do pray that God will. May the Lord truly open the eyes of your understanding by the revelation of Himself to you. Grace and peace.
 

Aaron56

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Legalists like to hold God to account: "See, I've done thus and such God. Now bless my life."

I wonder, from where does a doctrine about work-based validation arise? From one who can never inherit the kingdom of God and was created to be only a servant of God's family.