Where was Jesus for the three days between his death and resurrection?

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Magenta said:
If you have not seen the boasting in this very thread and many others as well I do not know what to say.

You take it personally because you are emotionally invested despite your claim to the contrary.
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I actually have no firm position yet ... except for I know "annihilationism" is not biblical.
 
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HeIsHere said:
I actually have no firm position yet ... except for I know "annihilationism" is not biblical.
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I am glad we at least agree that annihilation/"annihilationism" is not a Biblical concept .:)
 
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HeIsHere said:
I actually have no firm position yet ... except for I know "annihilationism" is not biblical.
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Well, you actually have a fairly firm position but seem rather reluctant to admit it, even as you
do so unwittingly, which makes plain to those with eyes to see that you come out against one
side far more often and with much more ardour than you mildly make any protest against the other.

If you actually were more balanced in how you present your views on this, nobody could fault you.

As it is, you are far from being neutral, and your slant is in a decided direction.
 
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Franc254 said:
Nope Paul is actually who called paradise the third heaven
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Yes, I know. This was after the resurrection. The Lord did not ascend until after his resurrection making it impossible for paradise to be in the third heaven at that time.
 
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John146 said:
Yes, I know. This was after the resurrection. The Lord did not ascend until after his
resurrection making it impossible for paradise to be in the third heaven at that time.
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What makes it impossible is Jesus having said, And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that
came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. Or, in other words much easier to
understand: No one has ascended into heaven except the One who descended from heaven—the Son of Man.
 
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Magenta said:
What makes it impossible is Jesus having said, And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that
came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. Or, in other words much easier to
understand: No one has ascended into heaven except the One who descended from heaven—the Son of Man.
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He ascended after his resurrection. Therefore, paradise was not in the third heaven until Jesus took it there after his resurrection.
 
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John146 said:
He ascended after his resurrection. Therefore, paradise was not in the third heaven until Jesus took it there after his resurrection.
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He also said nobody had ascended to heaven except Him. So paradise was obviously not there.

That is a more sure proof than simply saying it was because He had not yet ascended Himself.
 
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Magenta said:
Well, you actually have a fairly firm position but seem rather reluctant to admit it, even as you
do so unwittingly, which makes plain to those with eyes to see that you come out against one
side far more often and with much more ardour than you mildly make any protest against the other.

If you actually were more balanced in how you present your views on this, nobody could fault you.

As it is, you are far from being neutral, and your slant is in a decided direction.
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I have studied the position of "annihilation" the most, that is the reason.
So I have more to offer! :LOL:

I managed to leave the Reformed Doctrine threads so I am sure I will be successful again.
 
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HeIsHere said:
I have studied the position of "annihilation" the most, that is the reason.
So I have more to offer! :LOL:

I managed to leave the Reformed Doctrine threads so I am sure I will be successful again.
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I am of the opinion that people use terms that are not in the Bible when discussing the beliefs of others
in order to slyly misrepresent what others believe. I see it again and again, especially with certain people.

Yes, I suppose you will need a little extra something to make good on your word...
 
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Magenta said:
I am of the opinion that people use terms that are not in the Bible when discussing the beliefs of others
in order to slyly misrepresent what others believe. I see it again and again, especially with certain people.
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If you do not believe that God "annihilates" I will count that as a good thing and we are at least on the some page in that regard.
But there are only two states of being, exist and non existence as far as I know,

If you want you can clarify.
 
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Magenta said:
He also said nobody had ascended to heaven except Him. So paradise was obviously not there.

That is a more sure proof than simply saying it was because He had not yet ascended Himself.
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Jesus said this before his resurrection, yes? And no man could ascend into heaven without the help of our Lord, yes?
 
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John146 said:
Scripture states it was Samuel. Is scripture lying?
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It was not Samuel but a demonic spirit.....
John146 said:
Yes, I know. This was after the resurrection. The Lord did not ascend until after his resurrection making it impossible for paradise to be in the third heaven at that time.
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But he was God not limited to anywhere
 
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VARob said:
I believe God is able to raise a person who has died from the dead. The exact same person, not a "clone."
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then that person exists beyond their physical death.
it makes no sense to speak of raising someone who does not exist: the Bible speaks of "resurrection" not recreation or reincarnation.
 
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VARob said:
God expects you to understand what the scriptures are saying.

The devil is extremely good at impersonating dead people. That's why they're called familiar spirits.
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what the scriptures are saying happen to be that it is Samuel.

i believe God has great command of language;
if He meant to write "a demon impersonating Samuel" He would have written that.
if God meant to write "a familiar spirit" He would have.
but He didn't. He wrote, "Samuel"
 
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Franc254 said:
It was not Samuel but a demonic spirit.....
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the Bible says it was Samuel.

the Bible is not written in such a way that we are supposed to believe the exact opposite of what it says.
the Bible is written in such a way that we are supposed to believe what it says.
 
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posthuman said:
what the scriptures are saying happen to be that it is Samuel.

i believe God has great command of language;
if He meant to write "a demon impersonating Samuel" He would have written that.
if God meant to write "a familiar spirit" He would have.
but He didn't. He wrote, "Samuel"
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As a follow up, the witch was used to dealing with demons. She was surprised because it was an actual person.
 
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VARob said:
If a person is honest with the scriptures, all of them, not just taking the parable in Luke 16:19ff as a true story, or Jesus' misunderstood statement to the thief on the cross, but taking into account all the OT scriptures that dalk about death, "cut off," sheol, the pit, etc, he'll have a true understanding of what death is.

Why do you think God forbade necromancy, mediums, and other practices where people think they can seek advice from the dead or talk to their dear departed grandma? The devil is responsible for ALL that stuff. Both God and the devil know how gullible people are.
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why would Jesus present a lying demonic worldview as though it is the accurate one?
 
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posthuman said:
then that person exists beyond their physical death.
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Only in God's memory.

it makes no sense to speak of raising someone who does not exist: the Bible speaks of "resurrection" not recreation or reincarnation.
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Right. God will resurrect those who have died. He's God, you know...
 
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posthuman said:
why would Jesus present a lying demonic worldview as though it is the accurate one?
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Are you referring to the parable in Luke 16:19ff? It's what the Pharisees believed. They had adopted the Greek belief in the immortal soul. Jesus met them where they were, so-to-speak. He got their attention. The point of the parable is verse 31.

Luke 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
 
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