Which Chapter and Verse of the Scripture do you find hard to understand?

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Heyjude

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There are many parts of the Scripture I have wrestled with in the past.

I has taken a lot of study before I have gotten a clear picture in my mind and heart that resonate as the true meaning and I am sure that there isn't anyone who would boldly declare, they have all the answers in total. The main doctrine is clear to me from the words spoken by Jesus Christ our Saviour, but how do we interpret other parts of the Scripture so its crystal clear? (OT and NT)

Everyone can appear sure of themselves on certain Chapter and Verse and I am on some parts after much study, but on other parts, how can there be so many different views? They cant all be right can they?

I am sure that there are those on here that will say they know the answers and that's great. They may have spent many more hours on certain chapter and verse than I have for instance.

I for one would not dare say I have ALL the answers.

Which parts of Scripture do you find you haven't yet got straight in your mind from the OT or the NT?

This one for instance
Rev. 20:13,14 says,

"The sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire." (KJV)

It almost sounds like those in the SEA are different from death and hell otherwise why are they listed separately? Who are those in the Sea? Anyone know?
 

Nehemiah6

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This one for instance
Rev. 20:13,14 says,

"The sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell [Hades] delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire." (KJV)

It almost sounds like those in the SEA are different from death and hell otherwise why are they listed separately? Who are those in the Sea? Anyone know?
What we have here is a very brief description of how the unsaved dead are resurrected and brought to the Great White Throne Judgment.

1. Physical death is the separation of souls and spirits from their bodies.

2. The souls and spirits of the unsaved dead go to Hades (translated as "hell" in the KJV).

3. The bodies of those who died on land go into their graves.

4. The bodies of those who died at sea remain in the oceans.

5. At the resurrection of damnation, all these bodies are resurrected and stand before God. Thus the sea gives up its dead at that point. And Hades gives up its dead also.

6. Death is terminated, and since it is personified it is cast into the Lake of Fire. There will be no more physical death on earth.

7. Hades is abolished, since again there will be no need for Hades because there will be no more unsaved dead. So Hades is personified and cast into the Lake of Fire.
 

Heyjude

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What we have here is a very brief description of how the unsaved dead are resurrected and brought to the Great White Throne Judgment.

1. Physical death is the separation of souls and spirits from their bodies.

2. The souls and spirits of the unsaved dead go to Hades (translated as "hell" in the KJV).

3. The bodies of those who died on land go into their graves.

4. The bodies of those who died at sea remain in the oceans.

5. At the resurrection of damnation, all these bodies are resurrected and stand before God. Thus the sea gives up its dead at that point. And Hades gives up its dead also.

6. Death is terminated, and since it is personified it is cast into the Lake of Fire. There will be no more physical death on earth.

7. Hades is abolished, since again there will be no need for Hades because there will be no more unsaved dead. So Hades is personified and cast into the Lake of Fire.
Thanks for answering that. I wonder if the sea place is the one Jonah talked about or some other because it was in a whale, yet had bars.

King James Bible
I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God.
 

Nehemiah6

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Thanks for answering that. I wonder if the sea place is the one Jonah talked about or some other because it was in a whale, yet had bars.
Jonah died and his soul and spirit were in Sheol/Hades for three days and three nights (while his body was within the whale). He was a type of Christ who was also in Hades for three days and three nights. Jonah was then resurrected and went on to Nineveh. While it is not stated, it is possible that the miraculous resurrection of Jonah had a tremendous impact on the Ninevites and their repentance.

And [Jonah] said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell* [ שְׁאֹ֛ול (she·'o·vl) Sheol/Hades] cried I, and thou heardest my voice. (Jonah 2:2).

* Strong's Concordance
sheol: underworld (place to which people descend at death)

Original Word: שְׁאוֹל
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: sheol
Phonetic Spelling: (sheh-ole')
Definition: underworld (place to which people descend at death)
 

Heyjude

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Jonah died and his soul and spirit were in Sheol/Hades for three days and three nights (while his body was within the whale). He was a type of Christ who was also in Hades for three days and three nights. Jonah was then resurrected and went on to Nineveh. While it is not stated, it is possible that the miraculous resurrection of Jonah had a tremendous impact on the Ninevites and their repentance.

And [Jonah] said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell* [ שְׁאֹ֛ול (she·'o·vl) Sheol/Hades] cried I, and thou heardest my voice. (Jonah 2:2).

* Strong's Concordance
sheol: underworld (place to which people descend at death)

Original Word: שְׁאוֹל
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: sheol
Phonetic Spelling: (sheh-ole')
Definition: underworld (place to which people descend at death)
So if Sheol/Hades where Jonah went as you say in the Sea (one place) or are there two (one on land and one in the sea). As it sounds like two here by the way the sentence reads, like two different places
Rev. 20:13,14 says,

"The sea gave up the dead which were in it; (where Jonah was) and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: (where is this other "death and hell " if Jonah was in hell as he was one of those in the sea. (if you see what I mean....maybe I am reading into too much and its a thousand nothings....)