WHICH IS MOST IMPORTANT FOR A CHRISTIAN TO FOLLOW?

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Should we follow/do what Jesus did?taught? Or should we follow/do what the Apostles did/taught?

  • 1. What Jesus did/taught

    Votes: 13 92.9%
  • 2. What the Apostles did/taught

    Votes: 1 7.1%
  • 3. I do not know. It confuses me too.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 4. I do as my Church teaches.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
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#81
From the heart I believe the apostles mean the exact same thing as JESUS meant but when communicating what GOD has told you to a person we have to try to relate spiritual truths to their fleshly senses and that's where the truth Is subject to Interpretation.

Romans 2:14-16
King James Version

14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and [their] thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)

16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
 

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#82
For ISRAEL, Under Prophecy/Law on earth, Christ Commanded
The Twelve, And they OBEYED Perfectly, Be Perfect/Sell! But!:

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2 : 15!) From “Things That DIFFER!”:

For The Body Of CHRIST, of Which I am a "member," Under GRACE, And The
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Revelation Of The MYSTERY," From CHRIST, In Heaven, HE Commanded
ONE "apostle to the Gentiles," Paul {
my "Pattern to FOLLOW!"}
Precious friend(s), So Sorry for my IMperfect Error in my "link"!
Fixed: my "Pattern to FOLLOW!"
 

p_rehbein

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#83
1. and 2.

The Apostles where inspired by the Holy Spirit so their teachings came from The LORD..
For the most part, I agree.

Then, there are the instances like what took place at the Church at Jerusalem, and what took place when Paul severely chastised Peter. There are also the instances where Paul stated that he was speaking for himself, and NOT GOD.........so, if you believe that what the Apostles said is more important to follow than what Jesus said, that is certainly your right.
 

p_rehbein

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#84
they all taught the gospel the apostles never parted from the gospel those four books we have in the Bible were written by them and those appointed like Luke and mark.

the apostles role is this here when they each received the spirit and thier calling as one of the twelve appointed witnesses this was going to be thier role in the church

I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.”
‭‭John‬ ‭16:12-14‬ ‭

the apostles weren’t creating doctrine in the epistles the epistles are companions to the gospel the gospel Jesus preached is the doctrine , but there was a lot of explaining of thkngs he left out because they weren’t grasping a lot of it yet they had no revelation

so if we look at what Jesus began to teach , and the epistles we are they are companions the epistles help us better grasp the gospel because some of it is very parabolic , and somewhat hidden when Jesus spoke it , Peter and Paul and Johns role was to share the revelation given to them when they each received the holt spirit and revelation of the prophets and apostles witness of the gospel

the apostles are all
Preaching the gospel it’s firther more opened understanding so more can grasp it without knowing the prophets they offer revelation of the prophets like this summary of the old and foretelling of the new it’s the apostles doctrine also just a quick summary

“And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:44-

revelationtells us that Christ was the promised messiah the law and prophets witnesses would come and now the gospel is preached in Christs name to all
People by the apostles and all the early church when Paul scattered them by persecution it spread the gospel

“As for Saul, he made havock of the church, entering into every house, and haling men and women committed them to prison. Therefore they that were scattered abroad went every where preaching the word.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭8:3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the word is the gospel that Jesus preached when he was on earth the epistles are all companion writings to help us grasp the gospel and it’s applicable faith To our daily lives so we can walk in the things of salvetion


There’s no conflict between the apostles doctrine and the gospel it’s a matter of revelation so it appears somewhat different it’s better understood in some points
Good Post. However, it in no way addresses the Subject of this Thread, but, good Post.
 

p_rehbein

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#85
first example what Jesus said to baptise in the name of Father, son and Holy Ghost, I reckon he wasnt going to name HIMSELF when instructing the disciples/apostles but they all knew WHO he meant.

What Jesus did and what the apostles did of course would have been diffferent according to how they interpreted wat Jesus was telling them to do. For example. Paul was specifically instructed to reach gentiles. None of the other apostles were told to go to the gentiles, and so they didnt.

The foot washing thing. This was common practice, and it would seem everyone in Israel did this anyway as a mark of hospitality. Why it fell out of favour I am not sure. Maybe it was because socks were invented or as the gospel moved to cooler climes it wasnt needed.

I reckon dont get so hung up on these things otherwise you are going to be constantly judging people on what they eat, their jobs how much they earn, and how they dress. Which, by account of Galatians and James letters people were STILL doing, even when Jesus clearly taught it was wrong to do so.
Peter was FIRST sent to the Gentiles. Before Paul. FYI

Foot washing is still being celebrated by some Churches. It is celebrated by the Church of God Reformation Movement (of which I am a part of).

I am not "judging" anyone, I simply asked a question. You didn't address the question. I do not understand why it is so difficult to do so, but it must be......
 

p_rehbein

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#86
Thanks Be To God For HIS Truth! Amen?

Why is this so Difficult to "understand"?

Be Blessed!
All of that, and you STILL did not answer the questions addressed to you. Too, too funny. Have a blessed day, and enjoy your time here on CC.
 

Pilgrimshope

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#87
Good Post. However, it in no way addresses the Subject of this Thread, but, good Post.
yes the post is making a choice between the same doctrine is my point they are all speaking the word of the same holt spirit , we have to obey Jesus like they taught us to obey him Paul’s doctrine is very misunderstood in that everything Jesus taught him by revelation , was meant to bring the Gentiles into the obedience of the gospel.

my point is the gospel is our doctrine ot begins and ends with Christs time on earth , the apostles are witnesses and revelators there is no choice of which one or who to obey I think it does address the op but it’s only one average persons opinion , just sharing my thoughts. God bless

to simplify the op presents a false choice from the start because there is only one doctrine
 

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#88
Where JESUS said baptize In the name of the FATHER ,SON and HOLY GHOST and where Peter said baptize In the name of JESUS.
Matthew 28:19
King James Version

19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and ofthe Holy Ghost
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Acts 2:38
King James Version

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Jesus said this before He was revealed.. The Father, Jesus ( The WORD) and the Soly Spirit are One.. That's also in the KJV Bible..

1 John 5: KJV
7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."




Extra scripture for clarification


Yes indeed Jesus and the Holy Spirit are One..
 
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#89
Jesus said this before He was revealed.. The Father, Jesus ( The WORD) and the Soly Spirit are One.. That's also in the KJV Bible..

1 John 5: KJV
7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."





Yes indeed Jesus and the Holy Spirit are One..
What about JESUS and Peter?Are they one?
 
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#91
Not in nature.. They may be united in an eternal relationship.. But not as One in the same way that that Jesus is One with the Father..
So then you are saying that we should listen to JESUS more than Peter,I agree.
 

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#92
So then you are saying that we should listen to JESUS more than Peter,I agree.
No.. We should listen to Peter because Peter was inspired by the Holy Spirit in what He revealed in the Holy Bible..
 

p_rehbein

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#93
yes the post is making a choice between the same doctrine is my point they are all speaking the word of the same holt spirit , we have to obey Jesus like they taught us to obey him Paul’s doctrine is very misunderstood in that everything Jesus taught him by revelation , was meant to bring the Gentiles into the obedience of the gospel.

my point is the gospel is our doctrine ot begins and ends with Christs time on earth , the apostles are witnesses and revelators there is no choice of which one or who to obey I think it does address the op but it’s only one average persons opinion , just sharing my thoughts. God bless

to simplify the op presents a false choice from the start because there is only one doctrine
The problem I am seeing is that people are not understanding the question in the OP. They are generalizing it. I am not asking/saying we should not follow/do as the Apostles said, for they taught much that is not in the Gospel preached by Jesus.

The question is: WHEN THE TWO ARE IN CONFLICT, which should we follow/obey? And, yes, there are a very few times conflict arises between what Jesus said, and what the Apostles said. This has already been established.

That is why I said your comment didn't address the OP. More specifically, since this was the obvious instance of conflict, which do you believe we should do? Water Baptize in "the name of Jesus," or "in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost?
 

p_rehbein

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#94
seed_time_harvest said:
So then you are saying that we should listen to JESUS more than Peter,I agree.

Adstar said:
No.. We should listen to Peter because Peter was inspired by the Holy Spirit in what He revealed in the Holy Bible..

Adstar. Are you saying that if Peter said to water baptize in the name of Jesus, and Jesus taught to water baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.........

We should listen to Peter? Are we to ignore what Jesus Himself taught in favor of what Peter taught? Are we NOT then teaching the Gospel of Peter and NOT the Gospel of Jesus?