Which laws are and are not valid?

[p_rehbein]

100. An impure person must not eat from sacrifices — Lev. 7:20
101. To burn the leftover sacrifices — Lev. 7:17
102. To burn all impure sacrifices — Lev. 7:19
103. To follow the procedure of Yom Kippur in the sequence prescribed in Parshah Acharei Mot ("After the death of Aaron's sons...") — Lev. 16:3
104. One who profaned property must repay what he profaned plus a fifth and bring a sacrifice — Lev. 5:16
105. Not to work consecrated animals — Deut. 15:19
106. Not to shear the fleece of consecrated animals — Deut. 15:19
107. To slaughter the paschal sacrifice at the specified time — Ex. 12:6
108. Not to slaughter it while in possession of leaven — Ex. 23:18
109. Not to leave the fat overnight — Ex. 23:18
110. To slaughter the second Paschal Lamb — Num. 9:11
111. To eat the Paschal Lamb with matzah and Marror on the night of the fourteenth of Nisan — Ex. 12:8
112. To eat the second Paschal Lamb on the night of the 15th of Iyar — Num. 9:11
113. Not to eat the paschal meat raw or boiled — Ex. 12:9
114. Not to take the paschal meat from the confines of the group — Ex. 12:46

1. An apostate must not eat from it — Ex. 12:43
2. A permanent or temporary hired worker must not eat from it — Ex. 12:45
3. An uncircumcised male must not eat from it — Ex. 12:48
4. Not to break any bones from the paschal offering — Ex. 12:46 Ps. 34:20
5. Not to break any bones from the second paschal offering — Num. 9:12
6. Not to leave any meat from the paschal offering over until morning — Ex. 12:10
7. Not to leave the second paschal meat over until morning — Num. 9:12
8. Not to leave the meat of the holiday offering of the 14th until the 16th — Deut. 16:4
9. To be seen at the Temple on Passover, Shavuot, and Sukkot — Deut. 16:16
10. To celebrate on these three Festivals (bring a peace offering) — Ex. 23:14
11. To rejoice on these three Festivals (bring a peace offering) — Deut. 16:14
12. Not to appear at the Temple without offerings — Deut. 16:16
13. Not to refrain from rejoicing with, and giving gifts to, the Levites — Deut. 12:19
14. To assemble all the people on the Sukkot following the seventh year — Deut. 31:12
15. To set aside the firstborn animals — Ex. 13:12
16. The Kohanim must not eat unblemished firstborn animals outside Jerusalem — Deut. 12:17
17. Not to redeem the firstborn — Num. 18:17
18. Separate the tithe from animals — Lev. 27:32
19. Not to redeem the tithe — Lev. 27:33
20. Every person must bring a sin offering (in the temple) for his transgression — Lev. 4:27
21. Bring an asham talui (temple offering) when uncertain of guilt — Lev. 5:17-18
22. Bring an asham vadai (temple offering) when guilt is ascertained — Lev. 5:25
23. Bring an oleh v'yored (temple offering)(if the person is wealthy, an animal; if poor, a bird or meal offering) — Lev. 5:7-11
24. The Sanhedrin must bring an offering (in the Temple) when it rules in error — Lev. 4:13
25. A woman who had a running (vaginal) issue must bring an offering (in the Temple) after she goes to the Mikveh — Lev. 15:28-29
26. A woman who gave birth must bring an offering (in the Temple) after she goes to the Mikveh — Lev. 12:6
27. A man who had a running (unnatural urinary) issue must bring an offering (in the Temple) after he goes to the Mikveh — Lev. 15:13-14

 

[Elin]

Well, the uncomfortable answer to this is that
there's no set formula that applies to all of the Levitical laws. (Nor, btw, is there any Christian denomination that I know of that follows them all).

But there is a "set formula" in Heb 7:18-19, Eph 2:15.
Keeping in mind that

1) God temporarily added (Gal 3:19) to the Abrahamic covenant the laws he gave to Moses,
given as the basis for the old covenant--which was a tutor to teach his people the meaning
of sin, of the penalty for sin, of unrighteousness, of holiness/godliness until the Seed
to whom the Promise of the Abrahamic covenant referred had come.

2) When the Promise (Christ) came, which the law had been added as a tutor to show and reveal, he fulfilled (accomplished, completed, finished) the law (Mt 5:17); i.e.,
a) accomplishing the purpose for which it was given,
b) completing its work,
c) finishing the need for it as a tutor to reveal the coming Promise, and
d) setting it aside (Heb 7:18-19), abolishing it (Eph 2:15), as the way of justification/salvation,
and cancelling its curse (Col 2:14) for imperfect obedience.

3) Now in the new covenant (Lk 22:20), as the fulfillment of the Abrahamic covenant; i.e.,
the Promise (of Jesus Christ--Ge 12:3, and of an everlasting possession--Ge 13:15, 15:18-21),
justification/salvation is through faith by grace, not by righteous deeds of the law (Eph 2:8-9),
and godliness/sanctification is by the Holy Spirit through obedience to the NT commands,
beginning with Mt 22:37-40.

the law with its commands and

 

[p_rehbein]

28. A metzora (one having a skin disease) must bring an offering (in the Temple) after going to the Mikveh — Lev. 14:10
29. Not to substitute another beast for one set apart for sacrifice — Lev. 27:10
30. The new animal, in addition to the substituted one, retains consecration — Lev. 27:10
31. Not to change consecrated animals from one type of offering to another — Lev. 27:26
32. Carry out the laws of impurity of the dead — Num. 19:14
33. Carry out the procedure of the Red Heifer (Para Aduma) — Num. 19:2
34. Carry out the laws of the sprinkling water — Num. 19:21
35. Rule the laws of human tzara'at as prescribed in the Torah — Lev. 13:12
36. The metzora must not remove his signs of impurity — Deut. 24:8
37. The metzora must not shave signs of impurity in his hair — Lev. 13:33
38. The metzora must publicize his condition by tearing his garments, allowing his hair to grow and covering his lips — Lev. 13:45
39. Carry out the prescribed rules for purifying the metzora — Lev. 14:2
40. The metzora must shave off all his hair prior to purification — Lev. 14:9
41. Carry out the laws of tzara'at of clothing — Lev. 13:47
42. Carry out the laws of tzara'at of houses — Lev. 13:34
43. Observe the laws of menstrual impurity — Lev. 15:19
44. Observe the laws of impurity caused by childbirth — Lev. 12:2
45. Observe the laws of impurity caused by a woman's running issue — Lev. 15:25
46. Observe the laws of impurity caused by a man's running issue (irregular ejaculation of infected semen) — Lev. 15:3
47. Observe the laws of impurity caused by a dead beast — Lev. 11:39
48. Observe the laws of impurity caused by the eight shratzim (insects) — Lev. 11:29
49. Observe the laws of impurity of a seminal emission (regular ejaculation, with normal semen) — Lev. 15:16
50. Observe the laws of impurity concerning liquid and solid foods — Lev. 11:34
51. Every impure person must immerse himself in a Mikvah to become pure — Lev. 15:16
52. The court must judge the damages incurred by a goring ox — Ex. 21:28
53. The court must judge the damages incurred by an animal eating — Ex. 22:4
54. The court must judge the damages incurred by a pit — Ex. 21:33
55. The court must judge the damages incurred by fire — Ex. 22:5

1. Break the neck of a calf by the river valley following an unsolved murder — Deut. 21:4
2. Not to work nor plant that river valley — Deut. 21:4

1. Purchase a Hebrew slave in accordance with the prescribed laws — Ex. 21:2
2. Not to sell him as a slave is sold — Lev. 25:42
3. Not to work him oppressively — Lev. 25:43
4. Not to allow a non-Jew to work him oppressively — Lev. 25:53
5. Not to have him do menial slave labor — Lev. 25:39
6. Give him gifts when he goes free — Deut. 15:14
7. Not to send him away empty-handed — Deut. 15:13
8. Redeem Jewish maidservants — Ex. 21:8
9. Betroth the Jewish maidservant — Ex. 21:8
10. The master must not sell his maidservant — Ex. 21:8
11. Canaanite slaves must work forever unless injured in one of their limbs — Lev. 25:46
12. Not to extradite a slave who fled to (Biblical) Israel — Deut. 23:16
13. Not to wrong a slave who has come to Israel for refuge — Deut. 23:16

 

[p_rehbein]

14.The courts must carry out the laws of a hired worker and hired guard — Ex. 22:9
15.Pay wages on the day they were earned — Deut. 24:15

1.The creditor must not forcibly take collateral — Deut. 24:10
2.Return the collateral to the debtor when needed — Deut. 24:13
3.Not to delay its return when needed — Deut. 24:12
4.Not to demand collateral from a widow — Deut. 24:17
5.Not to demand as collateral utensils needed for preparing food — Deut. 24:6
6.Not to lend with interest — Lev. 25:37
7.Not to borrow with interest — Deut. 23:20
8.Not to intermediate in an interest loan, guarantee, witness, or write the promissory note — Ex. 22:24

1.The courts must carry out the death penalty of stoning — Deut. 22:24
2.The courts must carry out the death penalty of burning — Lev. 20:14
3.The courts must carry out the death penalty of the sword — Ex. 21:20
4.The courts must carry out the death penalty of strangulation — Lev. 20:10
5.The courts must hang those stoned for blasphemy or idolatry — Deut. 21:22
6.Bury the executed on the day they are killed — Deut. 21:23
7.Not to delay burial overnight — Deut. 21:23
8.The court must not let the sorcerer live — Ex. 22:17
9.The court must give lashes to the wrongdoer — Deut. 25:2

1.A witness must not serve as a judge in capital crimes — Deut. 19:17
2.Not to accept testimony from a lone witness — Deut. 19:15
3.Transgressors must not testify — Ex. 23:1
4.Relatives of the litigants must not testify — Deut. 24:16

 

[p_rehbein]

1.Act according to the ruling of the Sanhedrin — Deut. 17:11
2.Not to deviate from the word of the Sanhedrin — Deut. 17:11
3.Not to add to the Torah commandments or their oral explanations — Deut. 13:1
4.Not to diminish from the Torah any commandments, in whole or in part —
1.The High Priest must not defile himself for any relative — Lev. 21:11
2.The High Priest must not enter under the same roof as a corpse — Lev. 21:11
3.A Kohen must not defile himself (by going to funerals or cemeteries) for anyone except relatives — Lev. 21:1
4.Appoint a king from Israel — Deut. 17:15
5.Not to appoint a foreigner — Deut. 17:15
6.The king must not have too many wives — Deut. 17:17
7.The king must not have too many horses — Deut. 17:16
8.The king must not have too much silver and gold — Deut. 17:17
9.Destroy the seven Canaanite nations — Deut. 20:17
10.Not to let any of them remain alive — Deut. 20:16
11.Wipe out the descendants of Amalek — Deut. 25:19
12.Remember what Amalek did to the Jewish people — Deut. 25:17
13.Not to forget Amalek's atrocities and ambush on our journey from Egypt in the desert — Deut. 25:19
14.Not to dwell permanently in Egypt — Deut. 17:16
15.Offer peace terms to the inhabitants of a city while holding siege, and treat them according to the Torah if they accept the terms — Deut. 20:10
16.Not to offer peace to Ammon and Moab while besieging them — Deut. 23:7
17.Not to destroy food trees even during the siege — Deut. 20:19
18.Prepare latrines outside the camps — Deut. 23:13
19.Prepare a shovel for each soldier to dig with — Deut. 23:14

1.He who has taken a wife, built a new home, or planted a vineyard is given a year to rejoice with his possessions — Deut. 24:5
2.Not to demand from the above any involvement, communal or military — Deut. 24:5

1.Keep the laws of the captive woman — Deut. 21:11
2.Not to sell her into slavery — Deut. 21:14
3.Not to retain her for servitude after having sexual relations with her — Deut. 21:14

Ok, I may have missed a couple, but this is the list I put together that I do not consider valid for me to concern myself with.

 

[Pumicestone]

We have to remember He was a devout, observant Jew and would most likely consider many Christian beliefs as blasphemy.

wonder why jesus would consider many christian bleifers blesphmy? error, yes. blesphmy? nah....

Just a view I have come to, folks.
I see nothing in his reported teachings which clearly urged his contemporaries to chuck out all of the old law except the 'Ten Commandments'.
Indeed,
'I came not to destroy the law but to fulfil it" and
"Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."
both seem pretty clear-cut to me.
Sometimes I wonder if we do not play semantic games with the bits we don't like ?

That said, the non-observance of that long, long list of laws (posted above by someone else) might surely be deemed 'blasphemous'.
Either way, in his day, advocating such non-observance would equally be considered blasphemous.

So too would any claim to be God or any part of God ... i.e. the 'trinity'.
But that's a thought for another day.

 

[Elin]

Just a view I have come to, folks.
I see nothing in his reported teachings which clearly urged his contemporaries to chuck out all of the old law except the 'Ten Commandments'.

You reveal yourself as not believing all the NT word of God, which is
the words spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers.

That is the real blasphemy.

All those tired old contra-NT arguments have been trotted out many times.

They don't deserve to be taken seriously, or addressed again here.

Your problem is simple. . .unbelief of all of the NT word of God.

That's above our paygrade. . .

 

[JesusIsAll]

Shooting the messenger. . .rather self-serving, don't you think?

Controversy is started when error is first posted, particularly by those who reject parts of the NT,
or set the Scriptures against themselves, showing their self-evident misunderstanding of them,
because God does not contradict himself in his word.

You make Paul "a device of the adversary" because he was covered over with "controversy"
in defending God's truth against the Judaizers.

Some things never change. . .

No joke, in the market of global truths! This is the typical and evil device, the old angel of light facade. They put forth what are heinous, serious lies, denying the very foundation of the Christian faith, grace and walking in the Spirit: they pervert the very gospel and are offensive to the work and blood of Christ. If you shoot them down by legitimate rebuke and the presentation of scripture truth, when backed into a corner, it's attack the messenger. You're not being Christ-like, as if damnable lies they peddle are Christ-like. It's always attack the messenger, when they're exposed for what they are.

I remember shining a light on Ellen White, these SDAs who are sneaking around with their sabbaths, and they went ballistic, some real wolf fangs coming out. They hide who they are, which indicates evil, as it's deception, and, for some reason, they can't admit they believe a gospel Bible plus Ellen White. From first hand experience with SDAs, it's Ellen White first. If you're honest and believe something, if you are of good conscience, do you hide the candle under a bushel? And this is the same for all the cults, who try to spread their spiritual disease, who would like to see everybody carrying that corpse on their back of a false, legalistic gospel. Just once I'd like to see some of these admit they're of this or that cult, that they don't believe the New Testament gospel when it clashes with the cult leaders, man-up for once what they are, instead of always reverting to the Satanic tactics of shredding scripture truth and slandering the messenger.

But, yes, it's always they who start the threads, pushing the lies, pull out the "you're not making nice" card when they're exposed, as if deceiving people and shredding the faith of Jesus Christ is nice. They tell you you're Biblical faith is flawed, that you're disobedient if you're not down with their cult beliefs, pump out lies from hell, then expect people to have communion with them. This "love card" often pulled out is false, translated that you must be namby pamby obsequious and ecumenical with lies, or you're not being loving. In my book, and the Bible, assenting to lies that can damn is not scriptural, rather participation in their evil, and it's loving nobody, to give damnable lies a pass.

Tell you what, I've never said anything as strong as our Lord Jesus in Matthew 23, of these modern day Pharisees. They'd be ripping the Lord Jesus to shreds here, in spades. He would probably be banned, in short order.

 

[JesusIsAll]

You reveal yourself as not believing all the NT word of God, which is
the words spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers.

That is the real blasphemy.

All those tired old contra-NT arguments have been trotted out many times.

They don't deserve to be taken seriously, or addressed again here.

Your problem is simple. . .unbelief of all of the NT word of God.

That's above our paygrade. . .

Exactly as simple as that. You present clear scripture, and they reject it. They should simply say they don't believe the New Testament gospel. Of course, if you're spreading lies, in the first place, honesty isn't a strong suit.

 

[Pumicestone]

You reveal yourself as not believing all the NT word of God, which is
the words spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers............

Your problem is simple. . .unbelief of all of the NT word of God.

Hebrews 1:1-2
"God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds."
Ten Minutes Googling will reveal unto you that the scholars and theologians argue greatly about when this was written and by whom. Not necessarily Paul, apparently.


However, spoken by the son .....
'I came not to destroy the law but to fulfil it" and
"Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

 

[Elin]

No joke, in the market of global truths! This is the typical and evil device, the old angel of light facade. They put forth what are heinous, serious lies, denying the very foundation of the Christian faith, grace and walking in the Spirit: they pervert the very gospel and are offensive to the work and blood of Christ. If you shoot them down by legitimate rebuke and the presentation of scripture truth, when backed into a corner, it's attack the messenger. You're not being Christ-like, as if damnable lies they peddle are Christ-like. It's always attack the messenger, when they're exposed for what they are.

I remember shining a light on Ellen White, these SDAs who are sneaking around with their sabbaths, and they went ballistic, some real wolf fangs coming out. They hide who they are, which indicates evil, as it's deception, and, for some reason, they can't admit they believe a gospel Bible plus Ellen White. From first hand experience with SDAs, it's Ellen White first. If you're honest and believe something, if you are of good conscience, do you hide the candle under a bushel? And this is the same for all the cults, who try to spread their spiritual disease, who would like to see everybody carrying that corpse on their back of a false, legalistic gospel. Just once I'd like to see some of these admit they're of this or that cult, that they don't believe the New Testament gospel when it clashes with the cult leaders, man-up for once what they are, instead of always reverting to the Satanic tactics of shredding scripture truth and slandering the messenger.

But, yes, it's always they who start the threads, pushing the lies, pull out the "you're not making nice" card when they're exposed, as if deceiving people and shredding the faith of Jesus Christ is nice. They tell you you're Biblical faith is flawed, that you're disobedient if you're not down with their cult beliefs, pump out lies from hell, then expect people to have communion with them. This "love card" often pulled out is false, translated that you must be namby pamby obsequious and ecumenical with lies, or you're not being loving. In my book, and the Bible, assenting to lies that can damn is not scriptural, rather participation in their evil, and it's loving nobody, to give damnable lies a pass.

Tell you what, I've never said anything as strong as our Lord Jesus in Matthew 23, of these modern day Pharisees. They'd be ripping the Lord Jesus to shreds here, in spades. He would probably be banned, in short order.

Good post. . .but chu dun showed how far you be ahead of me with the correct use of obsequious.

You iz jes too smart. . .

 

[Jeff_56]

scripture, for yahweh's people, yahweh's son (yahshua), is TORAH, OT (OLD Testament).

now, let's see.... what did YAHSHUA(GOD'S SON, GOD in the FLESH, MESSIAH) say about TORAH ?

the violators, the perps, the unforgiven ones, keep on keep on keep on posting against what GOD'S WORD says directly.

wonder why ?

 

[Jeff_56]

i.e. the wicked keep on being wicked. no repentance.

 

[Elin]

Hebrews 1:1-2
"God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds."
Ten Minutes Googling will reveal unto you that the scholars and theologians argue greatly about when this was written and by whom. Not necessarily Paul, apparently.

Don't bother trotting out those ignorant, meritless and tired old contra-NT arguments of unbelief here.

Your problem of unbelief is above our pay grade.

However, spoken by the son

.....
'I came not to destroy the law but to fulfil it" and
"Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

Which is precisely what he did. . .

When the Promise (Christ) of the Abrahamic covenant came,
to which the law had been added as a tutor to show and reveal,
he fulfilled (accomplished, completed, finished) the law (Mt 5:17); i.e.,
a) accomplishing the purpose for which it was given,
b) completing its work,
c) finishing the need for it as a tutor to reveal the coming Promise, and
d) setting it aside (Heb 7:18-19), abolishing it (Eph 2:15), as the way of justification/salvation,
and cancelling its curse (Col 2:14) for imperfect obedience.

Now in the new covenant (Lk 22:20), as the fulfillment of the Abrahamic covenant; i.e.,
the Promise (of Jesus Christ--Ge 12:3, and of an everlasting possession--Ge 13:15, 15:18-21),
justification/salvation is through faith by grace, not by righteous deeds of the law
(Eph 2:8-9), and godliness/sanctification is by the Holy Spirit through obedience to
the NT commands, beginning with Mt 22:37-40.

But God's truth is a waste of time on those who do not believe his NT word spoken
in these last days by the Son (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers.

Spare us your blasphemy of unbelief of the NT word of God. . .

 

[JesusIsAll]

Good post. . .but chu dun showed how far you be ahead of me with the correct use of obsequious.

You iz jes too smart. . .

Nah. Learnt dat from Elduh Floyd, who all ways says mus be obseekin ta him 'n Watchtower Society 'o tha 144,000, have mercy on dem doorbells 'o da heathens!

 

[Elin]

scripture, for yahweh's people, yahweh's son (yahshua), is TORAH, OT (OLD Testament).

Jesus of Nazareth is not "TORAH."

The Word of God written is not
the Word of God incarnate.

The word of God written did not die on the cross as the penalty for the sin of those who believe in him.

Your handling of Scripture is loose for the sake of your personal doctrine.

 

[JesusIsAll]

Spare us your blasphemy of unbelief of the NT word of God. . .

Now be nice! We'll have no tactics of the adversary. You need to learn to get along with those who make the Lord Jesus a liar.

 

[JesusIsAll]

Jesus of Nazareth is not "TORAH."

What? You don't believe the Lord Jesus came to write the Torah on our hearts? I have no doubt our Hebrew roots brethren can recite all the begats.

 

[Elin]

Now be nice! We'll have no tactics of the adversary. You need to learn to get along with those who make the Lord Jesus a liar.

Mercy. . .dat bees dem Messianic Jews. . .whut jes adds Jesus ta der Judaism.

 

[JesusIsAll]

Mercy. . .dat bees dem Messianic Jews. . .whut jes adds Jesus ta der Judaism.

I can understand the Messianic Jew, that practices aspects of a heritage, and have found most of these not pushy of law, never telling any fellow Christians they must be Jewish. The Hebrew roots types are most always Gentiles, faking a Jewishness, a subset of the law and going through motions, the sacred names stuff like some religious frat who think they have a leased line to God, which is a legalistic cult, not a real faith of the Bible, neither Jewish or Christian. At the heart of it is pushing the Torah, though they none really keep the law or even know how to. The legalists here are, in the main, not at all Jewish, but are of a cult, or just plain trolls, repeatedly pushing the same buttons. At any rate, it's all phony, in terms of truth, a lying, fabricated religion.