Which of Jesus' teachings were applicable only to the Jews?

[garee]

Pastor David says that people who don't realize that some teachings were for the Jews only, see some contradictions between Jesus and Paul, and consequently will take Jesus' teachings above Paul's.

Pastor David says Paul's teachings are actually Jesus' teachings for the dispensation of grace which started after the resurrection.

I am saying the same thing over and over and over again because you're asking for it.

First things first.

What kind of Jew knowing all Israel are not the chosen ones according the the new name God names his born again people Christian . Jews only in respect to a outward Jew pertaining to the what eyes see or an inward Jew not seen as new creatures ?


There are no Paul teachings . We do not divide scripture from scripture, but rather we compare scripture to scripture. One author of the scriptures. Grace began with Abel had mercy and grace of Christ on Abel and on Cain he had none

Cain is a marked man the number 666 represents the uncovered .He sold the truth of the gospel seeing no value in the grace of God just as did Esau who sold the birth rite for a cup of soup.Both carry the same mark (666)

 

[Hizikyah]

The levitical priesthood was disannuled, not do not kill...

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 Peter/Kepha 3:15-17, "And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]I believe It is those that think Paul taught not to follow the Law of the Creator is what is causing the error…[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 24:14, "But I confess this to you, that after the way which they call heresy, so I worship the Father of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 7:25, "Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 21:24, "Take them, and be purified with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads. Then everyone will know that those things they were informed about you (forsaking the Law), were lies, and that you, yourself, walk orderly, and keep the Law."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Corinthians 7:19, "For neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision, but keeping the commandments of Yah?"[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?"[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 7:7, Shall we therefore say that the Law is sin? No! By no means! But to the contrary, I did not know sin; transgression of the Law, except through the Law, for I did not know lust, unless the Law had said: Do not covet."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 7:12, "Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Ephesians 6:2-3, "Honor your father and mother; which is the first commandment with a promise: That it may be well with you, and you may live long on the earth."[/FONT]

 

[Hizikyah]

First things first.

What kind of Jew knowing all Israel are not the chosen ones according the the new name God names his born again people Christian . Jews only in respect to a outward Jew pertaining to the what eyes see or an inward Jew not seen as new creatures ?

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 11:11-36, “I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Let it not be! But by their fall deliverance has come to the gentiles, to provoke them to jealousy. And if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the gentiles, how much more their completeness! For I speak to you, the gentiles, inasmuch as I am an emissary to the gentiles, I esteem my service, if somehow I might provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them. For if their casting away is the restoration to favour of the world, what is their acceptance but life from the dead? Now if the first-fruit is set-apart, the lump is also. And if the root is set-apart, so are the branches. And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, have been grafted in among them, and came to share the root and fatness of the olive tree, do not boast against the branches. And if you boast, remember: you do not bear the root, but the root bears you! You shall say then, “The branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” Good! By unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by belief. Do not be arrogant, but fear. For if Yah did not spare the natural branches, He might not spare you either. See then the kindness and sharpness of Yah: on those who fell sharpness, but toward you kindness, if you continue in His kindness, otherwise you also shall be cut off. And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, shall be grafted in, for Yah is able to graft them in again. For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree, how much more shall these who are the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree? For I do not wish you to be ignorant of this secret, brothers, lest you should be wise in your own estimation, that hardening in part has come over Yisra’ĕl, until the completeness of the gentiles has come in. And so all Yisra’ĕl shall be saved, as it has been written, “The Deliverer shall come out of Tsiyon, and He shall turn away wickedness from Ya‛aqoḇ, and this is My covenant with them, when I take away their sins.” Truly, as regards the Good News they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. For the gifts and the calling of Yah are not to be repented of. For as you also at one time disobeyed Yah, but now have obtained compassion through their disobedience, so also these have now disobeyed, that through the compassion shown you they also might obtain compassion. For Yah has shut them all up to disobedience, in order to have compassion on all. Oh, the depth of riches, and wisdom and knowledge of Yah! How unsearchable His judgments and untraceable His ways! “For who has known the mind of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]? Or who has become His counsellor?” “Or who first gave to Him, and it shall be given back to him?” Because of Him, and through Him, and to Him, are all, to whom be esteem forever. Amĕn. Rom 12:1, “I call upon you, therefore, brothers, through the compassion of Yah, to present your bodies a living offering – set-apart, well-pleasing to Yah – your reasonable worship.”[/FONT]


with that said;

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though YHWH's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Yisra’yl who belongs to Yisra’yl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are YHWH's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 105:6-9, "O seed of Abraham His servant, You children of Yaaqob, His chosen ones! He is YHWH our Father! His judgments are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Galatians 3:27-29, “For as many of you as were immersed into Messiah have put on Messiah. There is not Yehuḏi nor Greek, there is not slave nor free, there is not male and female, for you are all one in Messiah [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. And if you are of Messiah, then you are seed of Aḇraham, and heirs according to promise.”[/FONT]

 

[Marcelo]

Mt5:18, "I say to you; Unlessheaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Hizikyah, if the Law is still in force, then Paul was a false apostle because he wrote: Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all.

 

[Hizikyah]

Hizikyah, if the Law is still in force, then Paul was a false apostle because he wrote: Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all.

However Paul ahd Timothy circumcised;

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 16:1-3, “1 Paul came also to Derbe and to Lystra. And a disciple was there, named Timothy, the son of a Jewish woman who was a believer, but his father was a Greek, 2 and he was well spoken of by the brethren who were in Lystra and Iconium. 3 Paul wanted this man to go with him; and he took him and circumcised him because of the Jews who were in those parts, for they all knew that his father was a Greek.”

Now if waht Paul said is true to the way people understand it, it is of no reason why Paul had him circumcised, the result would be the same.

Paul also said;

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Corinthians 7:19, "For neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision, but keeping the commandments of Yah?"

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This is why Peter wrote;


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 Peter/Kepha 3:15-17, "And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability."

If we are being honest, it is eiter one of two things, Paul contradicted himself or there is a misunderstanding.
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[BillG]

However Paul ahd Timothy circumcised;

Acts 16:1-3, “1 Paul came also to Derbe and to Lystra. And a disciple was there, named Timothy, the son of a Jewish woman who was a believer, but his father was a Greek, 2 and he was well spoken of by the brethren who were in Lystra and Iconium. 3 Paul wanted this man to go with him; and he took him and circumcised him because of the Jews who were in those parts, for they all knew that his father was a Greek.”

Now if waht Paul said is true to the way people understand it, it is of no reason why Paul had him circumcised, the result would be the same.

Paul also said;


1 Corinthians 7:19, "For neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision, but keeping the commandments of Yah?"



This is why Peter wrote;


2 Peter/Kepha 3:15-17, "And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability."

If we are being honest, it is eiter one of two things, Paul contradicted himself or there is a misunderstanding.

I would probably go for the misunderstanding.
Given that Paul was preaching under the direction of the Holy Spirit and scripture being inerrant then there can’t be a contradiction. Given that’s the case then one needs to reconcile scripture with scripture.

1 Corinthians 9:19-23
Serving All Men
19 For though I am free from all men, I have made myself a servant to all, that I might win the more;
20 and to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews; to those who are under the law, as under the law, that I might win those who are under the law;
21 to those who are without law, as without law (not being without law toward God, but under law toward Christ), that I might win those who are without law;
22 to the weak I became as weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.
23 Now this I do for the gospel's sake, that I may be partaker of it with you.

So maybe Paul was teaching Timothy to be all things to all men in order to bring them under the law of Christ.

1 Corinthians 7:19
19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.

To me the commandments here are the 10 which Jesus summed up in two.

Love God and love your neighbours.

Just my simple thoughts.

Bill

 

[Marcelo]

So maybe Paul was teaching Timothy to be all things to all men in order to bring them under the law of Christ.

That's what I think: Paul circumcised Timothy because of the Jews -- not because it was the will of God.

 

[BillG]

That's what I think: Paul circumcised Timothy because of the Jews -- not because it was the will of God.

Thats where a I am with it. Just makes my eyes water thinking about it.

 

[Endoscopy]

I already gave you permission! (I like to take things up a couple of levels cause it gets boring otherwise but that's just me)

you don't have to explain. you can go all electronics anytime you want and I would look up what I did not understand

again, I was born that way

no apologies

carry on

one thing though...my salvation doesn't depend on it

LOL I would bury you in so much jargon you would never understand the simple concept I was talking about.

The input of the device doesn't filter out the noise properly with the input amplifier not having the proper gain to correctly have the PLL, gain control, and bit decision of the bit synchronizer properly create the correct data to feed the decomutators and thus be unable to feed the processors any data.

Have fun. I lived and breathed telemetry for 35 years.

 

[Endoscopy]

Basically my statement said the signal to the bit synchronizer was too weak to be used.

 

[Endoscopy]

Therefore no data is sent to the computers.l

 

[Grandpa]

The levitical priesthood was disannuled, not do not kill...

2 Peter/Kepha 3:15-17, "And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability."


I believe It is those that think Paul taught not to follow the Law of the Creator is what is causing the error…


Acts 24:14, "But I confess this to you, that after the way which they call heresy, so I worship the Father of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets."


Romans 7:25, "Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin."


Acts 21:24, "Take them, and be purified with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads. Then everyone will know that those things they were informed about you (forsaking the Law), were lies, and that you, yourself, walk orderly, and keep the Law."


1 Corinthians 7:19, "For neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision, but keeping the commandments of Yah?"


Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law."


Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"


Romans 6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?"


Romans 7:7, Shall we therefore say that the Law is sin? No! By no means! But to the contrary, I did not know sin; transgression of the Law, except through the Law, for I did not know lust, unless the Law had said: Do not covet."


Romans 7:12, "Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous."


Ephesians 6:2-3, "Honor your father and mother; which is the first commandment with a promise: That it may be well with you, and you may live long on the earth."

So you make out Paul and the Lord Jesus to both be liars.

And you attempt to do it with scripture, nice.

Matthew 5:17 [FONT=&quot]Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

[/FONT]The Lord must have mis-spoke there. He must have meant the levitical law is what He came to fulfill. In which case I guess He did destroy it, too.

Acts 24:14 [FONT=&quot]But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

[/FONT]And what would be that way they call heresy?

Galatians 2:19-21
[FONT=&quot]19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Basic Christianity which Judaizers still fail to understand.

Galatians 3:1-3
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[FONT=&quot]1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Here is the same thing said a different way.

Hebrews 7:16-19
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[FONT=&quot]16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.


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[Hizikyah]

So you make out Paul and the Lord Jesus to both be liars.

I have no need to reply to you. Im here for truth not this.

 

[Grandpa]

I have no need to reply to you. Im here for truth not this.

That was truth.

If the Lord Jesus didn't fulfill the Law, all of it, then we are still under it. If we are still under it then Paul is a liar for telling us we are dead to the Law when we are in Christ. And the Lord Jesus isn't able to give us Rest, even though He says He will.

Maybe you just don't understand what you are even saying or where your philosophy leads.

 

[Endoscopy]

So you make out Paul and the Lord Jesus to both be liars.

And you attempt to do it with scripture, nice.

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

The Lord must have mis-spoke there. He must have meant the levitical law is what He came to fulfill. In which case I guess He did destroy it, too.

Acts 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

And what would be that way they call heresy?

Galatians 2:19-21
19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Basic Christianity which Judaizers still fail to understand.

Galatians 3:1-3

1O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Here is the same thing said a different way.

Hebrews 7:16-19

16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

I go with Romans 7 with Paul lamenting over his sinful nature starting with verse 14.

Romans 7 New International Version (NIV)

Released From the Law, Bound to Christ

1 Do you not know, brothers and sisters—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law has authority over someone only as long as that person lives? 2 For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law that binds her to him. 3 So then, if she has sexual relations with another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man.

4 So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5 For when we were in the realm of the flesh, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. 6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.
The Law and Sin

7 What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.”8 But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of coveting. For apart from the law, sin was dead. 9 Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. 10 I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring lifeactually brought death. 11 For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment,deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death. 12 So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good.

13 Did that which is good, then, become death to me? By no means! Nevertheless, in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it used what is good to bring about my death, so that through the commandment sin might become utterly sinful.

14 We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.

21 So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23 but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. 24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? 25 Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!

So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.

 

[Hizikyah]

That was truth.

If the Lord Jesus didn't fulfill the Law, all of it, then we are still under it. If we are still under it then Paul is a liar for telling us we are dead to the Law when we are in Christ. And the Lord Jesus isn't able to give us Rest, even though He says He will.

Maybe you just don't understand what you are even saying or where your philosophy leads.

Your putting words in my mouth and then saying im wrong for what you say... Quote my post where I say something worthy of what you have said in your last 2 responses to me. Please, if you can show me m error I will repent.

Hrere is my post

The levitical priesthood was disannuled, not do not kill...

2 Peter/Kepha 3:15-17, "And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability."


I believe It is those that think Paul taught not to follow the Law of the Creator is what is causing the error…


Acts 24:14, "But I confess this to you, that after the way which they call heresy, so I worship the Father of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets."


Romans 7:25, "Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin."


Acts 21:24, "Take them, and be purified with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads. Then everyone will know that those things they were informed about you (forsaking the Law), were lies, and that you, yourself, walk orderly, and keep the Law."


1 Corinthians 7:19, "For neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision, but keeping the commandments of Yah?"


Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law."


Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"


Romans 6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?"


Romans 7:7, Shall we therefore say that the Law is sin? No! By no means! But to the contrary, I did not know sin; transgression of the Law, except through the Law, for I did not know lust, unless the Law had said: Do not covet."


Romans 7:12, "Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous."


Ephesians 6:2-3, "Honor your father and mother; which is the first commandment with a promise: That it may be well with you, and you may live long on the earth."

Show me my error.

So you make out Paul and the Lord Jesus to both be liars.

 

[Marcelo]

The Red Letter Fallacy or Why Jesus' Words Can't Be Privileged Over Paul's

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Reading Mike Wittmer on Brian McLaren made me realize something tonight, there is really no reason for anyone to privilege the words of Jesus (often printed in red in Bibles) over those of Paul or anyone else. Here’s the relevant bit from Wittmer:

“Brian [McLaren] has embraced the red letter Bible, where Jesus’ words and actions count more than what Paul or Peter wrote. He said that one evangelical’s ‘transparent willingness to grant Jesus no more authority than Paul renders me speechless.’ I am not necessarily trying to shush Brian, but I will second what the evangelical said: Paul’s epistles have the same authority as the words of Jesus, for both are the Word of God.”


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My initial thought was that this is something that would matter if one held to inerrancy. If, like me, you don’t hold to inerrancy, then there’s not a guarantee that Paul is truly writing the word of God in every instance. That cuts both ways though, if Paul can err, so can the authors of the four gospels. Moreover, in one case at least (Luke), it’s admitted up front that the account presented is entirely secondhand. Additionally, all of them were likely written after Paul’s earliest epistles.

Jesus never wrote anything by his own hand. If there can be errors in Paul, there can be errors in the accounts of Jesus’ words recorded in the gospels. Either both are the word of God without error or they aren’t. There is no reason to privilege one above the other when discerning what the Bible says.

Maybe McLaren has some other reason for putting the words of Jesus above Paul, but if it is this, then he’s not got a really solid footing either way.

http://www.cityofgodblog.com/2010/02/the-red-letter-fallacy-or-why-jesus-words-cant-be-privileged-over-pauls/#sthash.ilvXhi78.dpbs

 

[Hizikyah]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 14:26, “But the Comforter; the Holy Spirit which YHWH will send in My Name will teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I (Yahshua/Jesus) have said to you.”[/FONT]

 

[Grandpa]

Your putting words in my mouth and then saying im wrong for what you say... Quote my post where I say something worthy of what you have said in your last 2 responses to me. Please, if you can show me m error I will repent.

Hrere is my post

The levitical priesthood was disannuled, not do not kill...

Show me my error.

Right there. Your contention that the Levitical priesthood is what the Lord fulfilled and not the whole law. Your contention that it is the Levitical priesthood that is disannulled by its weakness and unprofitableness rather than the whole law.

I didn't put any words in your mouth. You have said it many times.

 

[Hizikyah]

Right there. Your contention that the Levitical priesthood is what the Lord fulfilled and not the whole law. Your contention that it is the Levitical priesthood that is disannulled by its weakness and unprofitableness rather than the whole law.

I didn't put any words in your mouth. You have said it many times.

If you ignore everything else I say, answer this 1 question, "one yod or one tittle shall by no means pass from the Torah till all be done.”

"till all be done" Is ALL done? The prophecies about His return, are those completed?

You have no clue what Hebrews is saying.... It's a letter to those who were still trying to operate under a levitical priesthoos, it wasnt saying do not steal is done away... Yahshua said He came to fulfill the Law and prophets... His 1st coming is fulfilled,His return as a Lion is yet to come, but certian.

There are 2 "it is done" statements...

Fulfilled already
John 19:30, “So when יהושע took the sour wine He said, “It is done!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.”

Fulfilled already- To be fulfilled in the future

1. Passover/First-fruits – Yahshua's Sacrifice(Passover), burial and resurrection (First Fruits)
2. Feast of Unleavened Bread – Removal of sin by Yahshua's perfect work as the Passover Sacrifice
3. Feast of Weeks – The blessing Holy Spirit of YHWH, coming into our lives stronger than ever
4. Feast of Trumpets – Yahshua's return and gathering of the Saints
5. Day of Atonement – Yahshua leads the army of YHWH to destroy evil rulers of this world and satan is chained for 1,000 years
6. Feast of Tabernacles – Yahshua dwells on earth for 1,000 years teaching truth and righteousness
7. The Last Great Day – satan is loosed and swiftly destroyed, the Kingdom of YHWH reigns forever

To be fulfilled in the future
Revelation 21:4-8, “And Yah shall wipe away every tear from their eyes, and there shall be no more death, nor mourning, nor crying. And there shall be no more pain, for the former matters have passed away. And He who was sitting on the throne said, “See, I make all matters new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and trustworthy. And He said to me, “It is done! I am the ‘Aleph’ and the ‘Taw’, the Beginning and the End. To the one who thirsts I shall give of the fountain of the water of life without payment. The one who overcomes shall inherit all this, and I shall be his Strength and he shall be My son. But as for the cowardly, and untrustworthy, and abominable, and murderers, and those who whore, and drug sorcerers, and idolaters, and all the false, their part is in the lake which burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death.”

Matthew 5:17-18, “Do not think that I came to destroy the Torah or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to complete. For truly, I say to you, till the heaven and the earth pass away, one yod or one tittle shall by no means pass from the Torah till all be done.”

Revelation 21:1-2, “And I saw a renewed heaven and a renewed earth, for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more. And I, Yoḥanan, saw the set-apart city, renewed Yerushalayim, coming down out of the heaven from Yah, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”

Also you think do not kill is no longer a Command?

Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."

1 Corinthians 6:9-10, "Do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the reign of Yah? Do not be deceived. Neither those who whore, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor greedy of gain, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers shall inherit the reign of Yah.”

Galatians 5:19-21, "And the works of the flesh are well-known, which are these: adultery, whoring, uncleanness, indecency, idolatry, drug sorcery, hatred, quarrels, jealousies, fits of rage, selfish ambitions, dissensions, factions, envy, murders, drunkenness, wild parties, and the like – of which I forewarn you, even as I also said before, that those who practice such as these shall not inherit the reign of Yah.”