Which theory is correct or is the Bible correct?

[flob]

thank you Edison.

a rock? Does it come dated and timed stamped?

I don't understand the 'science' behind it, but 'dated and time-stamped' is exactly what
'radio carbon dating' is it? claims

The differences between evolution science and creationist sciences is world view.

I am aware that some God-believers and some Christ-believers claim that Evolution theory and the God of the Bible
do not contradict. But generally, the ideology of Evolution is anti-Christ and anti-God. In the pop world and in academia.
For example you'll see Christians' fish signs changed to a komodo dragon or so with 'Darwin' replacing Christ. That is not the invention of Christians, that is the ideology, or faith, religion, of Evolution affirmatively challenging and denying God in Christ.

On that note, I wouldn't call either the pop representations of Evolution, nor all the academia and research on Evolution, 'science.' Just in looking at it closely, it's a kind of group-think, peer-pressure, zealous mythology. Totally apart from the Bible it's laughable. Like to the child in the Emperor's New Clothes.

But yes, you're right. In its purest Atheist form: Evolution supposes that there is no God, that death, inanimacy, is 'eternal;' or that life is............accident. As meaningless as death

My quest goes much deeper if creation is wrong how can Y-shua be right? Why should the Bible be trusted? A man died on the cross so the whole world is saved? Why is that not just as crazy? If Genesis is false why the world should be saved then? Are we created and have to answer to some creator if creation is false? The Bible is either wrong or right it can’t be both… truth or fiction!?!

We also have our experience. After all the Bible is about us, about God, about human relations. Interpersonal relationships. Namely that we're in the image of God. We didn't make ourselves. Accident didn't 'make' us. But a Person did. A Person who is life, eternal life. Who never was not. But who always is. And to contact Him is as simple as praying, calling on His name.
'Whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.' Not a rote, religious prayer. But calling on the name of Jesus.
Because this God became what He made. Even the way He made it.

 

[EdisonTrent]

Evening and morning...One Day. Add them up.

True indeed though I'm still trying to think as if I was a person in those times without the words million, billion, trillion unless these are mentioned has being known number figures in ancient times. I'm liking the answers surly

 

[tanach]

I believe that the Bible is infallible on matters concerning our salvation. That is the main message of the Bible. It was not given as a textbook on History, Science,Geography or Economics. There are contradictions in the Bible because it was written
down by fallible human writers. It did fall complete from heaven. Whether the earth is 6000 years old or 6000,000 makes no difference to the fact that we are sinners in need of salvation.

 

[crossnote]

True indeed though I'm still trying to think as if I was a person in those times without the words million, billion, trillion unless these are mentioned has being known number figures in ancient times. I'm liking the answers surly

An evening and a morning was the same 6000 years ago as it is today. Good evening.

 

[EdisonTrent]

I'm a firm believer in scripture just little different view of things.

Several creationist organizations publish technical pages[SUP]1[/SUP] that claim that the days found in the Genesis creation account cannot be interpreted as anything other than 24 hours in length. Unfortunately, these pages make false and misleading claims to deceive potential "converts." This page examines those claims and the facts.

Rich Deem​

The creation of the universe, the earth, and life on it is described in the first chapter of Genesis. The account is ordered on the basis of what God did on each "day" (the Hebrew word yom[SUP]2[/SUP]). Although Yom is usually translated in our English dictionaries as "day," its meanings are much more broad than what we (English speakers) tend to associate with the word "day." Yom actually has three main meanings; daylight portion of a solar day (i.e., sunrise to sunset), a 24-hour solar day, or a long period of time. Brown-Driver-Briggs' Hebrew definitions list definitions referring to long periods of time such as "year," "lifetime," and "time, period (general)."[SUP]2[/SUP]
[h=3]Claim 1: Occurrences of yomwith the words "evening" or "morning" outside Genesis 1 always refers to 24-hour days[/h]The Hebrew word yom occurs over 2000 times in the Old Testament. In Genesis 1, the word yom is used in combination with Hebrew words ereb[SUP]3[/SUP] (the word for "evening") and boquer[SUP]4[/SUP] (the word for "morning"). The claim has been made that when yom is used with the words "evening" or "morning," it always refers to a 24-hour day:

"Outside Genesis 1, yom is used with the word ‘evening’ or ‘morning’ 23 times. ‘Evening’ and ‘morning’ appear in association, but without yom, 38 times. All 61 times the text refers to an ordinary day—why would Genesis 1 be the exception?"[SUP]1[/SUP]
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Actually, they don't even get their facts correct. There are 42 verses (not 23) outside Genesis 1 in which yom is used in combination with either "evening" or "morning" (or both).[SUP]5[/SUP] The Hebrew words for "evening" and "morning" are juxtaposed only 12 times outside Genesis 1.[SUP]6[/SUP] In seven of those verses, the word order is reversed from that found in Genesis 1.[SUP]6[/SUP] Most of these verses do refer to 24 hour days, since they discuss the sacrificial system. However, a verse from the Psalms does not refer to a 24-hour day:

They who dwell in the ends of the earth stand in awe of Your signs; You make the dawn [boqer] and the sunset [ereb] shout for joy. (Psalm 65:8)
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Moses, the author of Genesis 1, also wrote Psalm 90.[SUP]7[/SUP] In this Psalm, Moses compares 1000 years to a single day or a watch in the night.[SUP]8[/SUP] In the next verse, he compares human lives to grass. He says that the grass sprouts in the morning and withers in the evening. Realistically, grasses live at least several days or weeks before dying. Evening and morning in this example do not refer to a 24-hour period of time:

You have swept them away like a flood, they fall asleep; In the morning [boqer] they are like grass which sprouts anew. In the morning [boqer] it flourishes and sprouts anew; Toward evening [ereb] it fades and withers away. (Psalm 90:5-6)
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Later, in the same Psalm, Moses includes a plea that God satisfy us with His love in the morning (boqer) that we may sing all our days (a lifetime of days, again, is usually longer than 24 hours):

O satisfy us in the morning [boqer] with Your lovingkindness, That we may sing for joy and be glad all our days [yom]. (Psalm 90:14)
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Another verse, from Daniel, refers to a period of prophecy:

He said to me, "For 2,300 evenings [ereb] and mornings [boqer]; then the holy place will be properly restored." (Daniel 8:14)
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Some interpret the period of 2,300 evenings and mornings as 2,300 days, while other calculate it as 1,150 days (2,300 divided by 2).[SUP]9[/SUP] Still others interpret the 2,300 evenings and mornings as 2,300 years.[SUP]10[/SUP] It is not absolutely clear that the reference is to 24-hour days.
Outside Genesis 1, yom occurs only 4 times in combination with both Hebrew words for "evening" and "morning." The actual word order of "evening" followed by "morning" in combination with yom (as seen in Genesis 1) occurs only once outside Genesis 1. It is ironic that this one verse comes from Daniel 8:26, which defines yom as a period of time at least 3000 years long:

"The vision of the evenings [ereb] and mornings [boqer] Which has been told is true; But keep the vision secret, For it pertains to many days [yom] in the future." (Daniel 8:26)
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Obviously, the claim that "All 61 times the text refers to an ordinary day-why would Genesis 1 be the exception" is false, just from this verse - the only verse that perfectly matches the usage found in Genesis 1.
"Evening" has the additional meaning of "ending" and "morning" has the meaning of "dawning" or "beginning".[SUP]11[/SUP] The order of "evening morning" is not insignificant. Each day described in Genesis 1 is completed by "evening" (ending) juxtaposed with "morning" (beginning). So, the usage fits the interpretation of the ending of one day and the beginning of the next.
[h=3]Claim 2: Yom with a number (ordinal) always refers to 24 hour days[/h]The claim has been made that when yom is used with a number, it always refers to a 24-hour day:

"Outside Genesis 1, yom is used with a number 410 times, and each time it means an ordinary day—why would Genesis 1 be the exception?"[SUP]1[/SUP]
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Let's look at some notable exceptions to this "rule," just using the first day as an example. The number used for "first day" is the Hebrew word echad,[SUP]12[/SUP] which means "one." The first exception to the "rule" is found in Genesis 29:20, where echad yom refers to a period of seven years that Jacob served Laban to obtain Rachel.[SUP]13[/SUP]
In the book of 1 Samuel, David says that he "will perish one day [echad yom] by the hand of Saul."[SUP]14[/SUP] Obviously, David was not expecting to die in exactly 24 hours. In fact, David was never killed by Saul, but died of old age many decades later.
A prophecy from the book of Daniel describes the demise of the ruler of the Syrian kingdom, Seleucus Philopator, the Son of Antiochus the Great. According to Daniel 11:20, "within a few days [echad yom] he will be shattered."[SUP]15[/SUP] The reign of Seleucus actually lasted 12 years[SUP]16[/SUP] - a relatively short period of time, but certainly not 24 hours!
There are several examples where echad yom refers to the Day of the Lord - a period usually interpreted as being seven years in length.[SUP]17[/SUP] Specific examples that specify a period of time longer than 24 hours include the following:

'For behold, the stone that I have set before Joshua; on one stone are seven eyes. Behold, I will engrave an inscription on it,' declares the LORD of hosts, 'and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day [echad yom]. 'In that day,' declares the LORD of hosts, 'every one of you will invite his neighbor to sit under his vine and under his fig tree.'" (Zechariah 3:9-10)
For it will be a unique day [echad yom] which is known to the LORD, neither day nor night, but it will come about that at evening time there will be light. And it will come about in that day that living waters will flow out of Jerusalem, half of them toward the eastern sea and the other half toward the western sea; it will be in summer as well as in winter. (Zechariah 14:7-8)
"He [the Lord] will revive us after two days; He will raise us up on the third day, That we may live before Him. (Hosea 6:2)
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If we are to interpret echad yom as referring only to a 24 hour day, then people will only be able to invite their neighbors over during one 24 hour period of time. Obviously, Zechariah 3:9-10 refers to an extended period of time. Later in his book, Zechariah describes this "one day" as being "in summer as well as in winter." This verse clearly indicates that this "one day" must be at least six months in length. The third example above is somewhat difficult to interpret, but is often interpreted as representing long periods of time. Gill's commentary says,"...these two and three days may be expressive of a long and short time, as interpreters differently explain them; of a long time, as the third day is a long time for a man to lie dead..."[SUP]18[/SUP] These six examples clearly establish that when yom is used with a number it does not always refer to 24-hour days.
[h=3]Claim 3: Other biblical Hebrew words could have been used to designate long periods of time[/h]The claim is made that other Hebrew words could have been used to represent long periods of time:

"There are words in biblical Hebrew (such as olam or qedem) that are very suitable for communicating long periods of time, or indefinite time, but none of these words are used in Genesis 1."[SUP]1[/SUP]
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Olam[SUP]19[/SUP] and qedem[SUP]20[/SUP] were not used in biblical Hebrew to represent long periods of time. Olam is almost always translated "eternity" "eternal" or "forever" in ancient Hebrew.[SUP]21[/SUP] Obviously, this would not be used to represent long periods of time. Qedem has the usual meaning of "east."[SUP]22[/SUP] Alternatively, it has the meaning of "old", "eternal" or "past." It is not used to represent a period of time in ancient Hebrew. It is interesting that not one example is given to substantiate the claim that either olam or qedem is used to represent a long period of time in Biblical Hebrew

 

[flob]

So God created or restored the earth in 6 eons? And rested on the 7th eon. And then Eve and Adam were tempted in the garden after that? There's no reason to think so, or try that other than to accommodate an old earth. Whereas with the gap between Gen 1:1 and 1:2 accounts for demons and Lucifer's rebellion, as well as fits the pattern between God and Satan throughout history and the Bible of move, counter move, recovery; as well as explains that God did not need to start with, or create the world, tohu and bohu. To try to make some of the days eons and others regular days, sounds artificial

 

[valiant]

Evening and morning...One Day. Add them up.

errr -- ok evening (say three hours), morning say 6 hours. Thats a nine hour day.

 

[valiant]

So God created or restored the earth in 6 eons? And rested on the 7th eon. And then Eve and Adam were tempted in the garden after that? There's no reason to think so, or try that other than to accommodate an old earth. Whereas with the gap between Gen 1:1 and 1:2 accounts for demons and Lucifer's rebellion, as well as fits the pattern between God and Satan throughout history and the Bible of move, counter move, recovery; as well as explains that God did not need to start with, or create the world, tohu and bohu. To try to make some of the days eons and others regular days, sounds artificial

the gap theory is also artificial 'in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth, an the earth was - ' It is clearly indicating what the earth was like when God created it. No Hebrew would have read it any other way. It was shapeless and empty. It had to be filled up by God. He started with the 'primitive stuff' and went on from there.