Who are the inspired scriptures directed to?

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I should have added these two verses for consideration as well (as they concern our absolute need to have the Father both draw us and give us permission before we can or would choose to come to Christ and be saved).

.........John 6
.........44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.

.........65 No one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father.
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I fully believe that the word is spiritual and spiritually discerned....and most of it is directed at those born from above...I also agree with your cited scriptures, but it is equally clear that we proclaim the message of salvation to lost men and that is my point.....
 
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God did not direct his children to help him eternally save souls. His commandment to his preachers and teachers is to inform his children as to how he wants them to live their lives while they are on earth. God has the power to accomplish all of his will, by himself, in eternally saving all that he wants to. Man has no righteousness of his own, only the imputed righteousness of Christ. John 17:2, As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
False alert....how shall they hear except one be sent.....you are way off base pal....
 

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...but it is equally clear that we proclaim the message of salvation to lost men and that is my point.....
Correct. The Gospel is for the unsaved, and it is to be heard and obeyed by those devoid of the Holy Spirit. Therefore THE BIBLE IS FOR ALL MANKIND.

After salvation, all other Bible truths are to be learned through the Holy Spirit. This is where spiritual discernment comes into focus.
 

Jackson123

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The sowing of the seed in Matt 13 is talking about the different conditions of the hearts of those that have already been regenerated. Not the natural man described in 1 Cor 2:14.
Yes, but the seed or gospel sow not only to the fertile soil

Do you believe fertile soil mean the elect ?

Gospel preach to Rocky soil aswell

What is Rocky soil mean ? Is rocky soil mean the elect? Is the farmer only direct the seed to fertile soil/the elect? No, Jesus say the seed/gospel sow to Rocky soil/non elect aswell
 

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God foreknew Jacob and Esau. God did not choose for either. Foreknowledge is not causation else God would not extend mercy only judgment.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
God's foreknowledge is the cause of him extending mercy (Ps 53:2-3).
 

ForestGreenCook

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Correct. The Gospel is for the unsaved, and it is to be heard and obeyed by those devoid of the Holy Spirit. Therefore THE BIBLE IS FOR ALL MANKIND.

After salvation, all other Bible truths are to be learned through the Holy Spirit. This is where spiritual discernment comes into focus.
Your statement will not harmonize with 1 Cor 2:14, The natural man cannot understand the things of the Spirit, not even a little of it. It is foolishness to him. THEREFORE THE BIBLE IS ONLY FOR THE SPIRITUALLY MINDED.
 

ForestGreenCook

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Yes, but the seed or gospel sow not only to the fertile soil

Do you believe fertile soil mean the elect ?

Gospel preach to Rocky soil aswell

What is Rocky soil mean ? Is rocky soil mean the elect? Is the farmer only direct the seed to fertile soil/the elect? No, Jesus say the seed/gospel sow to Rocky soil/non elect aswell
All of the different types of soil are the conditions of the hearts of the elect only, those who have already been born of the Spirit. To keep the scriptures in harmony, the natural man will never be able to save himself by discerning spiritual things. The only way the natural man "dead in sins" will ever become spiritually minded is after he has been regenerated, as explained in Eph 2:5.
 

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All of the different types of soil are the conditions of the hearts of the elect only, those who have already been born of the Spirit. To keep the scriptures in harmony, the natural man will never be able to save himself by discerning spiritual things. The only way the natural man "dead in sins" will ever become spiritually minded is after he has been regenerated, as explained in Eph 2:5.
You have a mishmash of half truths and outright errors. Man cannot save himself but God has given man sufficient light to hear the gospel and respond to the gospel. Even you have sufficient light to hear the gospel and respond to it either to receive or reject.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

notuptome

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God's foreknowledge is the cause of him extending mercy (Ps 53:2-3).
Gods love for His creation now fallen is the cause for His mercy. Do you know Gods love?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

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Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God...if your rule is hard and fast why witness to a lost person? How could a lost man be saved, how can we make disciples, etc.....
All scripture must harmonize in order to understand the doctrine of Jesus. The natural man can not understand the gospel and will not respond to something that he does not understand (1 Cor 2:14). Man cannot cause the natural man (lost man) to be saved eternally. That is by the grace of God, without the help of man.(Eph 2:5). I think where you are getting the wrong message is that a child of God that sees another child of God that is drawn away by the desire of his fleshly nature and he corrects him to cause him to repent and to get back in fellowship with God, that man is said to have delivered=saved himself and also the one that he corrected.(James 5:19-20). This is a deliverance=salvation received here on earth, not eternal. The scriptures are written to the children of God, and not to the natural man, instructing his children how they should live their lives while on earth. The Lord adds to the church daily such as should be saved, not man.(Acts 2:47).
 

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You have a mishmash of half truths and outright errors. Man cannot save himself but God has given man sufficient light to hear the gospel and respond to the gospel. Even you have sufficient light to hear the gospel and respond to it either to receive or reject.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
The Holy Spirit has revealed that light to man after he has been regenerated and can discern spiritual things(Eph 2:5). Tell me where do you see "sufficient light" in 1 Cor 2:14? All scriptures must harmonize before you can understand the doctrine of Jesus.
 

Jackson123

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All of the different types of soil are the conditions of the hearts of the elect only, those who have already been born of the Spirit. To keep the scriptures in harmony, the natural man will never be able to save himself by discerning spiritual things. The only way the natural man "dead in sins" will ever become spiritually minded is after he has been regenerated, as explained in Eph 2:5.
So Rocky soil is also the elect?

Is Rocky soil save?

If you read the bible, gospel is also preach pharisees, they ask question to Jesus and Jesus answer them.

One day the young richman come to Jesus ask how to save and Jesus told him to sale all his be longing and follow Him, the man not save
 

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Gods love for His creation now fallen is the cause for His mercy. Do you know Gods love?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Roger we are in the same boat, you just don't know it. But you can know it if you would deny yourself. As long as you are thinking man has something to do with his eternal salvation, I don't think God will reveal truths to you, in your frame of mind, or you would take credit for yourself instead of giving God credit. At the top of the list of things God hates is "a proud look".
 

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So Rocky soil is also the elect?

Is Rocky soil save?

If you read the bible, gospel is also preach pharisees, they ask question to Jesus and Jesus answer them.

One day the young richman come to Jesus ask how to save and Jesus told him to sale all his be longing and follow Him, the man not save
The natural man, described in 1 Cor 2:14 would not have ask Jesus, because he does not think he needs to be saved from anything. He cannot understand anything that is of a spiritual nature. Salvation, according to the Greek interpretation, mean "deliverance". We experience many deliverance here on earth. Giving up your trust in riches and trusting in God is a deliverance(salvation) we receive here on earth.
 

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how about 'whosoever' ?

whoso readeth, let him understand
(Matthew 24:15)


 

Jackson123

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The natural man, described in 1 Cor 2:14 would not have ask Jesus, because he does not think he needs to be saved from anything. He cannot understand anything that is of a spiritual nature. Salvation, according to the Greek interpretation, mean "deliverance". We experience many deliverance here on earth. Giving up your trust in riches and trusting in God is a deliverance(salvation) we receive here on earth.
In the bible pharisees ask Jesus, young richman ask Jesus, are there save?

I believe most people want salvation. I live in islam country, they pray 5 time a day why? Because they want salvation. Atheist and some other believe system may do not believe in life after death, they think do not need salvation.
 

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They are not written to the unsaved natural man who cannot discern spiritual things, but to those children of God who have been regenerated and are able to discern spiritual things. The scriptures are instructions from God telling his children how they should live their lives here on earth and also informing them how they have been saved from their sins by the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross. They are not scriptures telling the natural man, who cannot discern spiritual things, how to get saved eternally. We are all born into this world as "dead in sins" until God regenerates us, when we are yet dead in sins and unable to respond to spiritual things.(Eph 2:5).
They're directed to everyone; unsaved & saved alike. The unsaved can understand "Jesus Christ, and him crucified"; the saved can understand "the wisdom of God in a mystery" and "the deep things of God". Not everything in Scripture requires "the mind of Christ" to understand. The external reproving by the Holy Spirit with read/preached Scripture allows the unsaved to understand his need for the Savior.
 

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Foreknowledge is not causation else God would not extend mercy only judgment.
why would foreknowledge bring only judgement and never mercy? mercy implies judgement is warranted: how to give mercy to someone who has no need of it?
 
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The bible is literally His Story, the history of God’s dealings with
mankind. How they were lost and found, how they fell and how
through Jesus people can be lifted up.

A story of good verses evil, of sacrifice and salvation.

A story of reconciliation and restored relationship between
God and mankind for those who will listen and receive.

Revelation 22:17 NKJV
[17] And the Spirit and the bride say, "Come!" And let him who
hears say, "Come!" And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let
him take the water of life freely.