Who Are The Very Elect?

[dcontroversal]

The words saints and elect are both equally applied unto all genuine believers....
1. The word saint denotes who we are before God as holy ones and
2. The word Elect is descriptive of our positioning in Christ as chosen....

 

[veryelect]

The words saints and elect are both equally applied unto all genuine believers....
1. The word saint denotes who we are before God as holy ones and
2. The word Elect is descriptive of our positioning in Christ as chosen....

And 'Saint' means 'Set aside one'.

 

[dcontroversal]

And 'Saint' means 'Set aside one'.

As in sanctified in Christ (set apart).......the word Saint carries the idea of

Comes from Hagios (Greek definition) =ceremonially consecrated, holy one, morally blameless, holy thing, saint.....

Yes....so together our definitions equal one who is HOLY, ceremonially consecrated and SET ASIDE or APART

 

[veryelect]

I hope that this will make you see it.

Note that these 7000 have never bowed to satan.
Also, note that there are 232 leaders of the 7000.
Also notice that this battle is against Syria and that THE LORD gives it into Israel's hand.
Then notice that the Assyrian is a type of anti CHRIST by reading Isaiah 14 below.

1Ki 19:15 And the LORD said unto him, Go, return on thy way to the wilderness of Damascus: and when thou comest, anoint Hazael to be king over Syria:
1Ki 19:16 And Jehu the son of Nimshi shalt thou anoint to be king over Israel: and Elisha the son of Shaphat of Abelmeholah shalt thou anoint to be prophet in thy room.
1Ki 19:17 And it shall come to pass, that him that escapeth the sword of Hazael shall Jehu slay: and him that escapeth from the sword of Jehu shall Elisha slay.

1Ki 19:18 Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal, and every mouth which hath not kissed him.

1Ki 20:13 And, behold, there came a prophet unto Ahab king of Israel, saying, Thus saith the LORD, Hast thou seen all this great multitude? behold, I will deliver it into thine hand this day; and thou shalt know that I am the LORD.
1Ki 20:14 And Ahab said, By whom? And he said, Thus saith the LORD, Even by the young men of the princes of the provinces. Then he said, Who shall order the battle? And he answered, Thou.
1Ki 20:15 Then he numbered the young men of the princes of the provinces, and they were two hundred and thirty two: and after them he numbered all the people, even all the children of Israel, being seven thousand.

1Ki 20:20 And they slew every one his man: and the Syrians fled; and Israel pursued them: and Benhadad the king of Syria escaped on an horse with the horsemen.
1Ki 20:21 And the king of Israel went out, and smote the horses and chariots, and slew the Syrians with a great slaughter.

Isa 14:1 For the LORD will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob.
Isa 14:2 And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the LORD for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors.
Isa 14:3 And it shall come to pass in the day that the LORD shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve,
Isa 14:4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!
Isa 14:5 The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers.
Isa 14:6 He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.
Isa 14:7 The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.
Isa 14:8 Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.
Isa 14:9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.
Isa 14:10 All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?
Isa 14:11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.
Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
Isa 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
Isa 14:17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
Isa 14:18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.
Isa 14:19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.
Isa 14:20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.
Isa 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.
Isa 14:22 For I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the LORD.
Isa 14:23 I will also make it a possession for the bittern, and pools of water: and I will sweep it with the besom of destruction, saith the LORD of hosts.
Isa 14:24 The LORD of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it stand:
Isa 14:25 That I will break the Assyrian in my land, and upon my mountains tread him under foot: then shall his yoke depart from off them, and his burden depart from off their shoulders.
Isa 14:26 This is the purpose that is purposed upon the whole earth: and this is the hand that is stretched out upon all the nations.
Isa 14:27 For the LORD of hosts hath purposed, and who shall disannul it? and his hand is stretched out, and who shall turn it back?
Isa 14:28 In the year that king Ahaz died was this burden.
Isa 14:29 Rejoice not thou, whole Palestina, because the rod of him that smote thee is broken: for out of the serpent's root shall come forth a cockatrice, and his fruit shall be a fiery flying serpent.
Isa 14:30 And the firstborn of the poor shall feed, and the needy shall lie down in safety: and I will kill thy root with famine, and he shall slay thy remnant.
Isa 14:31 Howl, O gate; cry, O city; thou, whole Palestina, art dissolved: for there shall come from the north a smoke, and none shall be alone in his appointed times.
Isa 14:32 What shall one then answer the messengers of the nation? That the LORD hath founded Zion, and the poor of his people shall trust in it.

Back at the time of king Ahab, GOD had 7000 that never bowed the knee to satan as described to Elijah.
There were 232 princes (leaders) over the 7000.
Assyria was going to war against Israel.
GOD gave the king of Assyria into Israel's hand because the king of Assyria said that GOD was not the GOD of the valleys also (basically saying that GOD is not the GOD of the Most High, or the Most High GOD). Also, the king of Assyria was demanding the silver, the gold, and the people of Israel as his, and was prepared to take them by war if necessary.

Paul says in Romans 11:
Rom 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

The king of Assyria is a type of anti CHRIST as shown in Isaiah 14.
Babylon is a type of the one world system which the harlot Jezebel rides on (the beast) in Revelation.
The 7000 is a type of the elect and therefore the further details of the 232 leaders is likely within the structure of the elect also.
We also know from past studies that the elect are delivered up to death (the devil) to give a testimony as given by THE HOLY SPIRIT against the devil and that this testimony will help bring down the one world system which is the end time Babylon (when people hear the elect speak, they will hear it in their own language the same as typed in Acts 2 and this will result in people realizing that they are worshiping the devil and drop out of the system).
We also know that the tribulation will be shortened for the elect's sake (satan kills two elect, meaning the two witnesses), which is breaking the rule that GOD gave to satan (Don't touch those that have the Seal Of GOD (TRUTH) in their foreheads.

 

[posthuman]

I hope that this will make you see it.

Note that these 7000 have never bowed to satan.
Also, note that there are 232 leaders of the 7000.
Also notice that this battle is against Syria and that THE LORD gives it into Israel's hand.
Then notice that the Assyrian is a type of anti CHRIST by reading Isaiah 14 below.

thank you for the reply and the time you took to put this. ..

but, well, Syria and Assyria are not the same place. as far as i know, the two biblical kingdoms were empires of two brothers - Syria formerly being Aram, with Damascus as its capital, and Assyria having Ninevah as it's capital. also most of the passage you quoted from Isaiah (vv. 1-23) is a prophecy against Babylon, not Assyria. verses 29-32 are about Philistia, yet another place -- and none of it is about Damascus a.k.a. Syria.

not that there weren't prophecies against Syria or Damascus.

and i see no reason to think that the 7,000 who "have not bowed the knee to Ba'al" are the (unnumbered) host led by officials of the kingdom under Ahab and Jezebel. remember that in ch. 19 of 1 Kings Elijah was being pursued by Jezebel, who had been going around killing all the prophets etc ? do you think it likely the remnant that did not serve Ba'al were members of this idolatrous government? i always figured they were more or less in hiding during these idolater's reign. you know, if they were holding public positions in government, doesn't it stand to reason Elijah would have known about them?

still not seeing it, sorry. =[

 

[veryelect]

thank you for the reply and the time you took to put this. ..

but, well, Syria and Assyria are not the same place. as far as i know, the two biblical kingdoms were empires of two brothers - Syria formerly being Aram, with Damascus as its capital, and Assyria having Ninevah as it's capital. also most of the passage you quoted from Isaiah (vv. 1-23) is a prophecy against Babylon, not Assyria. verses 29-32 are about Philistia, yet another place -- and none of it is about Damascus a.k.a. Syria.

not that there weren't prophecies against Syria or Damascus.

and i see no reason to think that the 7,000 who "have not bowed the knee to Ba'al" are the (unnumbered) host led by officials of the kingdom under Ahab and Jezebel. remember that in ch. 19 of 1 Kings Elijah was being pursued by Jezebel, who had been going around killing all the prophets etc ? do you think it likely the remnant that did not serve Ba'al were members of this idolatrous government? i always figured they were more or less in hiding during these idolater's reign. you know, if they were holding public positions in government, doesn't it stand to reason Elijah would have known about them?

still not seeing it, sorry. =[

Assyria and Syria were originally two different nations although their founders, Asshur and Aram, were brothers, sons of Shem (Genesis 10:22). The Assyrians conquered Aram, as Syria was originally known, shortly before conquering the Northern Kingdom of Israel (730-720 BC). The Babylonians eventually conquered Assyria and at that time both Assyria and the remnant of Aram ceased to exist. The Assyrian homeland encompasses areas of what are now northern Iraq, northwestern Iran, southeastern Turkey and northeastern Syria. The ruins of Ninevah, the capital of ancient Assyria, can be found in Mosul, a city in modern Iraq. Damascus, the capital of Syria, was originally the capital of Aram.

 

[posthuman]

the evidence of a 'type' of antichrist in Isaiah 14 is in verses 12-13, which are part of a prophecy against the king of Babylon (verse 4, "take up this taunt against the king of Babylon") -- not Assyria, and not Syria.

looking at Revelation, who is it that overthrows Babylon? there's no mention of "232" in that book at all -- iirc, it's the first beast that turns against Babylon, not a group of the Lord's saints that throw her down, right?

 

[veryelect]

the evidence of a 'type' of antichrist in Isaiah 14 is in verses 12-13, which are part of a prophecy against the king of Babylon (verse 4, "take up this taunt against the king of Babylon") -- not Assyria, and not Syria.

looking at Revelation, who is it that overthrows Babylon? there's no mention of "232" in that book at all -- iirc, it's the first beast that turns against Babylon, not a group of the Lord's saints that throw her down, right?

The point is that lucifer is the assyrian. Also, it's the ROCK that is carved out without hands (JESUS) that overthrows babylon. That ROCK includes those delivered up in Matthew 24, which are the elect. Where do you see that the first beast turns against Babylon?

 

[kennethcadwell]

The point is that lucifer is the assyrian. Also, it's the ROCK that is carved out without hands (JESUS) that overthrows babylon. That ROCK includes those delivered up in Matthew 24, which are the elect. Where do you see that the first beast turns against Babylon?

Revelations 17 tells us that the antichrist is the one who destroys Babylon in verse 16, as he takes over as head of the new revised holy Roman empire (being reborn in the European union). It says the antichrist first rises from the Babylon system (Saudi Arabia) and then gives authority to ten kingdoms in the revised holy Roman empire, and he and those 10 kings go up against Babylon and destroy it.

 

[posthuman]

amen it is that ROCK that makes all the nations of the earth His footstool!
that, we know is the end of all things, being from before all things and remaining everlasting!

The point is that lucifer is the assyrian. Also, it's the ROCK that is carved out without hands (JESUS) that overthrows babylon. That ROCK includes those delivered up in Matthew 24, which are the elect. Where do you see that the first beast turns against Babylon?

but that's Babylon, not Assyria? whatever the case, i remember in Ezekiel 28 the king of Tyre is also spoken of this way, so i'm not sure that it's right to associate other references to Tyre in the scripture with antichrist unless there's other evidence in the text indicating it is a sign for us - not throwing away metaphor, but like i said if this is all to be taken as a type, we have Ahab as king, not a good king. although....

here is where i am getting Babylon thrown down by the beast:

And the angel said to me, “The waters that you saw, where the prostitute is seated, are peoples and multitudes and nations and languages. And the ten horns that you saw, they and the beast will hate the prostitute. They will make her desolate and naked, and devour her flesh and burn her up with fire, for God has put it into their hearts to carry out his purpose by being of one mind and handing over their royal power to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled. And the woman that you saw is the great city that has dominion over the kings of the earth.”
(Revelation 17:15-18)

maybe it is that Ahab is a type of the Beast - and Jezebel the harlot? i'll have to read and think on that.

 

[posthuman]

for God has put it into their hearts to carry out his purpose by being of one mind and handing over their royal power to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled.

it is exactly the Lord who throws down Babylon, but He will put as it were hooks in the jaws of the beast and the 10 horns, to bring them against her

amen, the victory belongs to the ROCK!

 

[forsha]

The elect are all of those that God chose before the foundation of the world. The very elect are those that the Holy Spirit has revealed the truth of Jesus's teaching. Matt 7:13 & 14, Those that enter in the wide gate are most of the elect and those that enter the strait gate are the very elect. The life that the narrow way leads to is not eternal life, but a life of understanding, peace, joy, and comfort. God predetermined the destiny of his elect before he formed the earth.

 

[forsha]

I do too, I think the elect are all those in Christ. What I'm saying is just because someone warms a pew doesn't mean they are a genuine Christian. Jesus says not everyone who says to Me Lord Lord will enter the kingdom. What I'm saying is the elect are a smaller group of people than most think.

The elect are many as the stars in heaven and the sand in the sea shore. The very elect are but a few. Those that go in the wide gate, in Matt:7:13 & 14, are the elect and those that go in the strait gat ate the very elect. The path that the narrow path leads them to is not eternal life, but a life they receive here on earth that brings them joy, peace, comfort, by the Holy Spirit revealing unto them the truth of Christ's teachings.