Who is a Jew?

[kaylagrl]

So, I've only been able to skim through a few posts here, but I see that Steven Anderson's name has come up.

I'll say this much with certainty;

He is a sick, sick man.

Anybody who sees him as a man of God needs a lot of help.

Then you know more than I do. The bit I saw and know tells me he's no man to follow.

 

[Live4Him3]

Then you know more than I do. The bit I saw and know tells me he's no man to follow.

I just warned another forum member here about Steven Anderson in a private message about a week ago.

The guy is off on so many topics that I wouldn't even know where to begin.

For one thing, he calls for the death penalty for all homosexuals, while citing a verse from Leviticus:

If Anderson wants to live under the guidelines of the Old Testament law, then he should similarly call for the death penalty for all adulterers:

Leviticus chapter 20

[10] And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
[11] And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Of course, when confronted with the woman caught in adultery (John chapter 8), Jesus told her would-be-stoners that he who was without sin should be the first to cast a stone while not condemning the woman, but while telling her to "go, and sin no more" instead.

Similarly, Paul didn't instruct the church at Corinth to put to death the man who was having sexual relations with his mother-in-law (I Corinthians chapter 5), but instead that man was separated from church fellowship until the time came that he repented and was forgiven and welcomed back into the fellowship.

Anyhow, Anderson says that "LGBTQ" stands for "Let God Burn Them Quickly". Furthermore, when asked what his advice for homosexuals would be, Anderson replied that they should put a bullet in their own heads so they don't molest his kids or anybody else's kids. You can hear him say both of these things right here:

I'm certainly NOT a defender of the homosexual or lesbian lifestyle or agenda, but salvation is available to those who are currently living that lifestyle if they're willing to repent and place their saving faith in Jesus Christ.

I Corinthians chapter 6

[9] Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
[10] Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
[11] And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

 

[RichGladden]

post #349 should end...not to the Gentiles

It should also be changed to Moses and not Abraham, but you knew that right?

Hi KG. I hope you are well. Thank you for raising this concern.

Jesus gave us an analogy of what Israel looks like...a vine with branches. He is the Vine, we are the branches. Paul in his letter to the church in Rome picks up on this with a slight variation, presenting an analogy of Israel being something like a tree or a bush, that has a root with attached branches.

In either place, we can see that branches can be added by God, or torn off and discarded, according to His kindness and will.

Paul mentions that God hasn't discarded all of the physical descendents of Abraham, but that He will always keep a remnant aside and they will be saved. Paul mentions himself as a case in point.

Paul also mentions he hopes to save some of the physical Israel, so that they will become members of the remnant that is attached to the Root (Vine), and be saved because of their faith in Jesus, thus continuing Abraham's spiritual lineage and fulfilling God's promise to him. By saying he hopes to save some, and that there's a remnant, Paul acknowledges that not all of Abraham's physical/biological descendents will be saved.

In the end, it will be all the branches that are attached to the Root, ie the new and true Israel of God, whatever their racial background or personal standing in society is, that will be saved, and the rest of humankind, no matter what their racial background or personal standing in society is, will be lost forever. So yes, all of that structure, the Root/Vine and its branches, which comprise the true Israel, will be saved.

It is written that Abraham is the father of faith. Therefore it is the seed of that faith, present in the members of the remnant of Israel, that identifies them as being his true progeny. It is these progeny, along with the adoptees such as we gentiles, that are proof of God's promise to Abraham that he will be the father of a great nation.

As a side issue here, there is a warning embedded in this chapter of Paul's letter that should cause those that believe 'once saved always saved' to rethink their opinion, and change it.

I think this ties in"

Joh 12:44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.
Joh 12:45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me.
Joh 12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.
Joh 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Joh 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
Joh 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
Joh 12:50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

 

[RichGladden]

I just warned another forum member here about Steven Anderson in a private message about a week ago.

The guy is off on so many topics that I wouldn't even know where to begin.

For one thing, he calls for the death penalty for all homosexuals, while citing a verse from Leviticus:

If Anderson wants to live under the guidelines of the Old Testament law, then he should similarly call for the death penalty for all adulterers:

Leviticus chapter 20

[10] And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
[11] And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Of course, when confronted with the woman caught in adultery (John chapter 8), Jesus told her would-be-stoners that he who was without sin should be the first to cast a stone while not condemning the woman, but while telling her to "go, and sin no more" instead.

Similarly, Paul didn't instruct the church at Corinth to put to death the man who was having sexual relations with his mother-in-law (I Corinthians chapter 5), but instead that man was separated from church fellowship until the time came that he repented and was forgiven and welcomed back into the fellowship.

Anyhow, Anderson says that "LGBTQ" stands for "Let God Burn Them Quickly". Furthermore, when asked what his advice for homosexuals would be, Anderson replied that they should put a bullet in their own heads so they don't molest his kids or anybody else's kids. You can hear him say both of these things right here:

I'm certainly NOT a defender of the homosexual or lesbian lifestyle or agenda, but salvation is available to those who are currently living that lifestyle if they're willing to repent and place their saving faith in Jesus Christ.

I Corinthians chapter 6

[9] Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
[10] Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
[11] And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Was not the Bible inspired by God?
Was not the Law given to Moses by God?
It would appear your angst and rebellion are misplaced when you should be directing it toward God.
If all of Sodomy had been put away from Isreal with such treatment as stoning to death, do you really think it would be as rampant in the church as it is today?

What I fail to understand is why you would not mention the many times that the interviewer tried to bait Anderson and was thwarted by scripture and intelligence.

Remember what David said:
Psa 139:19 Surely thou wilt slay the wicked, O God: depart from me therefore, ye bloody men.
Psa 139:20 For they speak against thee wickedly, and thine enemies take thy name in vain.
Psa 139:21 Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?
Psa 139:22 I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.
According to you he must have been wrong too.

Luk_6:26 Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.

 

[Live4Him3]

Was not the Bible inspired by God?
Was not the Law given to Moses by God?
It would appear your angst and rebellion are misplaced when you should be directing it toward God.
If all of Sodomy had been put away from Isreal with such treatment as stoning to death, do you really think it would be as rampant in the church as it is today?

What I fail to understand is why you would not mention the many times that the interviewer tried to bait Anderson and was thwarted by scripture and intelligence.

Remember what David said:
Psa 139:19 Surely thou wilt slay the wicked, O God: depart from me therefore, ye bloody men.
Psa 139:20 For they speak against thee wickedly, and thine enemies take thy name in vain.
Psa 139:21 Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?
Psa 139:22 I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.
According to you he must have been wrong too.

Luk_6:26 Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.

Oh, so you think God wants us to kill homosexuals and lesbians as opposed to sharing the gospel with them?

Thanks for self-identifying yourself as someone who is anything but a Christian.

You've been duly marked...

 

[RichGladden]

Oh, so you think God wants us to kill homosexuals and lesbians as opposed to sharing the gospel with them?

Thanks for self-identifying yourself as someone who is anything but a Christian.

You've been duly marked...

Did you see that in my comment, or did you just "infer" that? Hmmmm

 

[Live4Him3]

Did you see that in my comment, or did you just "infer" that? Hmmmm

There's nothing to wonder about.

You stand in defense of a man who desires capital punishment for homosexuals while advising them to put a bullet in their own heads.

You're as sick as he is...make no mistake about that.

 

[RichGladden]

There's nothing to wonder about.

You stand in defense of a man who desires capital punishment for homosexuals while advising them to put a bullet in their own heads.

You're as sick as he is...make no mistake about that.

Is that how you read the Bible? Did you interject your emotions and bias into something written that clearly was not there? And you presume yourself worthy to judge me? Now tell me judge, how came ye to such a conclusion as nothing of the sort states as you have accused, nor supports such faulty claims? And again, your problem is with God who inspired the law and handed it to Moses. Take it up with Him, if you dare.

 

[p_rehbein]

I'm certainly NOT a defender of the homosexual or lesbian lifestyle or agenda, but salvation is available to those who are currently living that lifestyle if they're willing to repent and place their saving faith in Jesus Christ.

Yes, AND abstain from any lifestyle that is contrary to the Word of God. As well, this is NOT just Old Testement Law, it is also the teachings found in the 1st Chapter of Romans.

Any sinner can repent and receive salvation, BUT THEY CAN NOT CONTINUE TO LIVE THE SINFUL LIFESTYLE that is an abomination in the eyes of God.

 

[Grandpa]

Romans 11:
1 I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He? May it never be! For I too am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

2 God has not rejected His people whom He knew beforehand. Or do you not know what the Scripture says about Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel?

3 “ADONAI, they have killed your prophets, they have destroyed your altars; I alone am left, and they are seeking my life.”

4 But what is the divine response to him? “I have kept for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.”

5 So in the same way also at this present time there has come to be a remnant according to God’s gracious choice.

6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer by works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace.

7 What then? What Israel is seeking, it has not obtained; but the elect obtained it, and the rest were hardened—

8 just as it is written, “God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes not to see and ears not to hear, until this very day.”

...
25 For I do not want you, brothers and sisters, to be ignorant of this mystery—lest you be wise in your own eyes —that a partial hardening has come upon Israel until the [[fullness of the Gentiles]] has come in;

26 and in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written, “The Deliverer shall come out of Zion. He shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob.

27 And this is My covenant with them, when I take away their sins.”

Romans 9:6-8
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

 

[Live4Him3]

Yes, AND abstain from any lifestyle that is contrary to the Word of God. As well, this is NOT just Old Testement Law, it is also the teachings found in the 1st Chapter of Romans.

Any sinner can repent and receive salvation, BUT THEY CAN NOT CONTINUE TO LIVE THE SINFUL LIFESTYLE that is an abomination in the eyes of God.

The distinction, however, between the Old Testament law and the New Testament which Jesus initiated in his blood is that God doesn't want us killing homosexuals or any other sinners, for that matter. Instead, he wants us to preach the gospel to them that they might repent, believe, and be saved.

This is NOT what that nutjob Steven Anderson is doing, nor is it what he's teaching those foolish enough to listen to him to do.

I can't find the video clip now, but I once heard Anderson say that all homosexuals should be lined up against a wall and gunned down.

The man is sick in the head, and so is anybody else who defends him or his twisted teachings.

 

[Grandpa]

No one has said there is any other way but Christ in this thread. There are promises made to Abraham that have not yet been fulfilled but will be. Perhaps we need to start back with that unconditional covenant. Then you will see what I mean. Jews are/will be saved the same way everyone else is, just as Romans 11 says.

Galatians 3:28-29
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.


What's the point in starting with the unconditional covenant if you don't understand what its about or who its to?


Romans 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

 

[RichGladden]

The distinction, however, between the Old Testament law and the New Testament which Jesus initiated in his blood is that God doesn't want us killing homosexuals or any other sinners, for that matter. Instead, he wants us to preach the gospel to them that they might repent, believe, and be saved.

This is NOT what that nutjob Steven Anderson is doing, nor is it what he's teaching those foolish enough to listen to him to do.

I can't find the video clip now, but I once heard Anderson say that all homosexuals should be lined up against a wall and gunned down.

The man is sick in the head, and so is anybody else who defends him or his twisted teachings.

By your own comment, that would make you foolish because you listened to him. Did you not? Was that not your words judging you, JUDGE?

 

[Live4Him3]

By your own comment, that would make you foolish because you listened to him. Did you not? Was that not your words judging you, JUDGE?

You're only making yourself look worse with each additional response.

I you had any discernment whatsoever, then you'd know that by "listening to" I meant "taking heed to".

Anyhow, feel free to make even a bigger fool of yourself.

I have better ways to spend my time than to waste even another second of it responding to you.

 

[RichGladden]

You're only making yourself look worse with each additional response.

I you had any discernment whatsoever, then you'd know that by "listening to" I meant "taking heed to".

Anyhow, feel free to make even a bigger fool of yourself.

I have better ways to spend my time than to waste even another second of it responding to you.

That would require inferring, as you did in my comment, a rather unsuitable and unacceptable practice, should one want to be taken seriously. If you are unable to say what you mean, then the fault lies with your own inadequacies and not mine.

 

[Live4Him3]

That would require inferring, as you did in my comment, a rather unsuitable and unacceptable practice, should one want to be taken seriously. If you are unable to say what you mean, then the fault lies with your own inadequacies and not mine.

Actually, it would only require some intelligence:

https://thesaurus.yourdictionary.com/listen

 

[RichGladden]

Actually, it would only require some intelligence:

https://thesaurus.yourdictionary.com/listen

Then, by all means, display some. I await with bated breath in anticipation.

 

[pottersclay]

Yes, AND abstain from any lifestyle that is contrary to the Word of God. As well, this is NOT just Old Testement Law, it is also the teachings found in the 1st Chapter of Romans.

Any sinner can repent and receive salvation, BUT THEY CAN NOT CONTINUE TO LIVE THE SINFUL LIFESTYLE that is an abomination in the eyes of God.

Imo a sinner cannot receive salvation untill he repents.

Repent for the kingdom of GOD is at hand.

 

[RichGladden]

Imo a sinner cannot receive salvation untill he repents.

Repent for the kingdom of GOD is at hand.

Great name.
Excellent truth!

 

[jaybo]

Imo a sinner cannot receive salvation untill he repents.

Repent for the kingdom of GOD is at hand.

John 3:16, " For this is the way God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life."

Ephesians 2:8-9, " For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God. it is not from works, so that no one can boast. "

I don't see repentance (a work) in either of these key verses. Belief and faith -- two ways of describing the same thing -- are all that re required.