Who is a Jew?

[RichGladden]

You not familiar with the samritan woman. even the dogs eat the crumbs from the Master's Table.

i thought you claimed to be Biblically sound.

I know the story well, and I did not claim she licked anyone's sores as you were purposing. Did I? Now show me the Bride being raptured which you have FAILED to do thus far.

 

[RichGladden]

You not familiar with the samritan woman. even the dogs eat the crumbs from the Master's Table.

i thought you claimed to be Biblically sound.

And by the way, I can't control what you "thought" but I never claimed I was biblically sound, nor can you cut & and paste proof. Another lie!

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

I know the story well, and I did not claim she licked anyone's sores as you were purposing. Did I? Now show me the Bride being raptured which you have FAILED to do thus far.

no one said the Gentiles licked sores, the claim is Gentiles were called DOGS by the Jews. so clearly you are not aware of that Passage of Scripture.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

And by the way, I can't control what you "thought" but I never claimed I was biblically sound, nor can you cut & and paste proof. Another lie!

i cut and paste because i knew where its found and i have read commentary on it before.

 

[RichGladden]

no one said the Gentiles licked sores, the claim is Gentiles were called DOGS by the Jews. so clearly you are not aware of that Passage of Scripture.

I am aware that what you presented referred to the dogs in the Lazarus story were Gentiles, why else would it be there. You're wrong........again!

 

[RichGladden]

i cut and paste because i knew where its found and i have read commentary on it before.

By all means. expose me now, and include the post number because I am aware of your lies and tactics. Expose me!

 

[kaylagrl]

Hi The Watchers,

That does not mean that the Apostle has no place for corporate election in his thinking. In Romans 11:1-6, Paul says that God has not rejected His people Israel, though he doesn't believe that every ethnic Israelite will be saved. He preached the gospel to the Jews first in each city, because without belief in the gospel, no one can be saved (Acts 13:1-5). In Romans 11:1-6, Paul means that the Lord has not rejected ethnic Israel as a corporate body even though He has rejected every Jew—and Gentile, for that matter—who never trusts in Jesus

Paul uses the category of corporate election in today's passage when he says that in regard to the gospel, Israel is the enemy of the church (v. 28). This cannot mean that all ethnic Israelites are opposed to the gospel, for Paul himself is an ethnic Israelite. What he means is that as a corporate body, ethnic Israel is presently opposed to the Lord.

On the other hand, the same corporate Israel is on account of election "beloved for the sake of their forefathers" (v. 28). God continues to love the collective whole of ethnic Israel because of His promises to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Our Creator will never "abhor [the Jews] so as to destroy them utterly and break [His] covenant" that He made with them (Lev. 26:44).

This is not a promise to save each and every person of Jewish descent, for "not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel" (Rom. 9:6). It is a pledge that God will never cast off the Jews as a whole. He will save them so that we can speak of the salvation of Israel even if not every single Jew who has ever lived will be saved. John Calvin comments that Paul "speaks not now of the election of individuals, but of the common adoption= of the whole nation, which might seem for a time, according to the outward appearance, to have failed, but had not been cut up by the roots." God has a calling for ethnic Israel as a whole, and He will not go back on His word (v. 29

https://www.ligonier.org/learn/devotionals/gods-irrevocable-gifts-and-calling

I have heard both preached, all of Israel, meaning all of the remnant will be saved, or that every Jew through time will be saved. We know that God made an unconditional covenant with Abraham that is being and will be fulfilled in the future. Israel was the nation born in a day, and the Word says God will bring back the Jews from all the countries he has scattered them, back to their own land. That is happening in part now. But Israel does not yet have the full boundaries of the land God promised to them. Right now they are mostly blinded by unbelief, hardened until the full numbers of Gentiles have come in. But we know that that blindness with end when Jesus reveals to them He is the true Messiah. Then the Word says they, the Jews will mourn for "the one they have pierced". That is after the anti-Christ reveals himself by slaughtering a pig in the synagogue.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

I am aware that what you presented referred to the dogs in the Lazarus story were Gentiles, why else would it be there. You're wrong........again!

if you had actually known you would have never made the mistake by posting this
Bull!
So you are telling me Gentiles licked his sores?

 

[RichGladden]

if you had actually known you would have never made the mistake by posting this
Bull!
So you are telling me Gentiles licked his sores?

You presented the statement in your faulty claim that Lazarus was a gentile, in support of your claim, and I called you out. Did I miss something?

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

You presented the statement in your faulty claim that Lazarus was a gentile, in support of your claim, and I called you out. Did I miss something?

i did make that claim. if you actually read the post you will see why the Rich Man is a Jew and why Lazarus is a Gentile.

 

[RichGladden]

i did make that claim. if you actually read the post you will see why the Rich Man is a Jew and why Lazarus is a Gentile.

What I saw was a bunch of garbage (some not pertaining to the subject) that was made up and contradicts Jewish Historians. So your source and support for your claim are as inadequate as is your effort to prove it. No, I don't think I missed anything.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

each Passage of Scripture i read i make a habit of asking God for understanding. then after i think i understand, i will look at what other scholars/preachers/teachers have to say. that way i can see if i was right or wrong. when i post i post what i feel has been proven.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

What I saw was a bunch of garbage (some not pertaining to the subject) that was made up and contradicts Jewish Historians. So your source and support for your claim are as inadequate as is your effort to prove it. No, I don't think I missed anything.

of course you are never going to see anything i post as correct. everything mentioned is found in Scripture.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

• The rich man is dressed in linen and purple, a color reserved for royalty, and a fabric associated with luxury.
• The rich man’s family has access to “Moses and the prophets,” (v.29), a reference the Hebrew scriptures
• The rich man also calls Abraham "Father Abraham", (v. 24), something that only an Israelite would do.

• The beggar, Lazarus, is an outsider. He lived a miserable existence outside the rich man's house, hoping to glean just a few crumbs that fell from the rich man’s table.
• Lazarus lives with the dogs, a derogatory name used for Gentiles. Look at the story found in Matthew 15:21-28, where a Gentile woman asks Jesus for help. Jesus initially refuses her, indicating that He had come for the “house of Israel.” (v.24) “It is not meet,” Jesus says, “to take the children’s bread and cast it to dogs.” Her reply? "Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.” (v.27)

19 “Now there was a rich man dressed in purple and fine linen, living it up in luxury every day.
20 But a poor man named Lazarus had been laid at his gate, covered with sores
21 and longing to be fed with what fell from the rich man’s table. Besides, even the dogs were coming to lick his sores.
22 “It happened that the poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s side. Then the rich man also died and was buried.
23 And from Sheol, as he was in torment, he raised his eyes. And he sees Abraham far off, and Lazarus at his side.
24 So he cried out and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me! And send Lazarus so he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool off my tongue, because I am suffering torment in this flame.’
25 “But Abraham said, ‘Son, remember that in your life you received your good things, even as Lazarus received the bad things.
26 Besides all this, between us and you a great chasm is firmly set, so that those who want to cross over to you cannot, nor can those from there cross over to us.
27 “Then the rich man said, ‘I beg you then, Father Abraham, send Lazarus to my father’s house!
28 For I have five brothers to warn, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’
29 “But Abraham says, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets. Let them listen to them.’
30 “But he said, ‘No, Father Abraham, but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’
31 “But Abraham said, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be convinced even if someone rises from the dead!’”

 

[RichGladden]

each Passage of Scripture i read i make a habit of asking God for understanding. then after i think i understand, i will look at what other scholars/preachers/teachers have to say. that way i can see if i was right or wrong. when i post i post what i feel has been proven.

When one is saved the Holy Spirit enters him/her. It is that same Holy Spirit that teaches us all, not some, all truth.
1Jn_2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

This is not just for spiritual matters, all truth. And you have argued against the truth, commented lies and innuendo, mocking conversion to Christ, while displaying a lack of discernment. Yes, I question your salvation as I have seen no evidence of good fruit. None.

 

[RichGladden]

19 “Now there was a rich man dressed in purple and fine linen, living it up in luxury every day.
20 But a poor man named Lazarus had been laid at his gate, covered with sores
21 and longing to be fed with what fell from the rich man’s table. Besides, even the dogs were coming to lick his sores.
22 “It happened that the poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s side. Then the rich man also died and was buried.
23 And from Sheol, as he was in torment, he raised his eyes. And he sees Abraham far off, and Lazarus at his side.
24 So he cried out and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me! And send Lazarus so he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool off my tongue, because I am suffering torment in this flame.’
25 “But Abraham said, ‘Son, remember that in your life you received your good things, even as Lazarus received the bad things.

Don't you know who the rich man is? The Bible does say so but not directly. Why?

Pro_25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

When one is saved the Holy Spirit enters him/her. It is that same Holy Spirit that teaches us all, not some, all truth.
1Jn_2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

This is not just for spiritual matters, all truth. And you have argued against the truth, commented lies and innuendo, mocking conversion to Christ, while displaying a lack of discernment. Yes, I question your salvation as I have seen no evidence of good fruit. None.

but a wise man will have understanding and sharpen steel with steel.
that's what i do.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Don't you know who the rich man is? The Bible does say so but not directly. Why?

Pro_25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

in this Parable he is a JEW!

 

[RichGladden]

DUH, but a wise man will have understanding and sharpen steel with steel.
that's what i do.

You have not so far, not to anyone in this thread. It was never your purpose here, nor your shadows' purpose. Nor have you displayed a proper understanding of scripture, or experience in a debate, but you have a gold star in division, false doctrine, and lack of evidence. Those attributes are nothing to be desired or proud of.

 

[RichGladden]

in this Parable he is a JEW!

I do not think it is a parable. I don't see it that way. And he is a Jew, yet you tried to argue against that just now. Your deception knows no limits.