Who is Elihu?

[tttallison]

Thank you. The reason I was trying to clarify was because of something else you wrote. This is from you post #244 in your other thread:

"All of Job"s words up to chapter 38 were condemned by God.
Job 38:2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?"

You wrote that all of Job's words before chapter 38 were condemned by God. So does that also include the verse from Job 19:25?

What can I say, I was wrong.

 

[tttallison]

I believe going back to Adam and the Tree of Life within the Garden symbolized to them a future Messiah.

We see that in the understanding of Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, David, Solomon, the High Priests and the Prophets. Job would have known this as well.

In the example of how Job was offering Sacrifice, and himself not a High Priest or he went to a High Priest reveals Job most likely happened before the LAW came into existence because there's no mention of the LAW by Job, Elihu, Job's friends, or God. But we know from the first couple Chapters that Job offered Sacrifice to protect his children and probably himself and family.

So job knowing that Sacrifice was important surely understood what the coming Redeemer would mean.

If Job was an Edomite, he would not have reason to mention any written law. His law would have been oral.

 

[lrs68]

If Job was an Edomite, he would not have reason to mention any written law. His law would have been oral.

My post was meaning that I believe Job took place long before the Law was ever introduced by God to Moses but that Job still understood the importance of offering Sacrifice like we read in the first couple Chapters. Typically speaking here, when we see someone understanding the purpose of Sacrifice Offering they are well aware that in the future the Messiah\Shiloh\the Promise is coming to take the need for Sacrifice away by fulfilling it.

 

[christophernyc]

What can I say, I was wrong.

Okay but there is something much more important to recognize here. I believe we both agree that God is Job's Redeemer. No question. So when Job says that his Redeemer lives, Job is speaking of the living God, Yahweh, and what Job is saying about God is right, as we have both agreed.

Now when Job says what is right about God it is during Job's back-and-forth argument with his 3 friends. Then at the end of the story in chapter 42:7,8 God explicitly says to the 3 friends that they have not spoken rightly about Him (God) as His servant Job has. God is clearly comparing the words of the 3 friends with the words of Job, which are delivered during chapters 4-31.

So Job is speaking directly "about God" when Job says that his Redeemer lives, and when God says twice in chapter 42 that Job has spoken rightly about Him (God), it is in comparison to the words of his 3 friends.

There are more, but 19:25 is one of the more significant examples of what God was saying when He states that Job has spoken rightly about Him. So it is not about what Job says in the beginning of chapter 42, where Job speaks mostly about himself.

 

[tttallison]

My post was meaning that I believe Job took place long before the Law was ever introduced by God to Moses but that Job still understood the importance of offering Sacrifice like we read in the first couple Chapters. Typically speaking here, when we see someone understanding the purpose of Sacrifice Offering they are well aware that in the future the Messiah\Shiloh\the Promise is coming to take the need for Sacrifice away by fulfilling it.

If Job was an Edomite, he would have had the same understanding as Isaac and Abraham, which would agree with what you are saying.

 

[tttallison]

Okay but there is something much more important to recognize here. I believe we both agree that God is Job's Redeemer. No question. So when Job says that his Redeemer lives, Job is speaking of the living God, Yahweh, and what Job is saying about God is right, as we have both agreed.

Now when Job says what is right about God it is during Job's back-and-forth argument with his 3 friends. Then at the end of the story in chapter 42:7,8 God explicitly says to the 3 friends that they have not spoken rightly about Him (God) as His servant Job has. God is clearly comparing the words of the 3 friends with the words of Job, which are delivered during chapters 4-31.

So Job is speaking directly "about God" when Job says that his Redeemer lives, and when God says twice in chapter 42 that Job has spoken rightly about Him (God), it is in comparison to the words of his 3 friends.

There are more, but 19:25 is one of the more significant examples of what God was saying when He states that Job has spoken rightly about Him. So it is not about what Job says in the beginning of chapter 42, where Job speaks mostly about himself.

Job says he knows as much as Elihu knows, and that is probably true, but Job's words were not cited ad scripture in the NT.

Words of Elihu​

Job 4:8 Even as I have seen, they that plow iniquity, and sow wickedness, reap the same. (9) By the blast of God they perish, and by the breath of his nostrils are they consumed.

Job 5:2 For wrath killeth the foolish man, and envy slayeth the silly one.

Job 5:7 Yet man is born unto trouble, as the sparks fly upward. (8) I would seek unto God, and unto God would I commit my cause: (9) Which doeth great things and unsearchable; marvellous things without number: (10) Who giveth rain upon the earth, and sendeth waters upon the fields: God said, Job 38:26 To cause it to rain on the earth, where no man is; on the wilderness, wherein there is no man (27) To satisfy the desolate and waste ground; and to cause the bud of the tender herb to spring forth?

Job 5:11 To set up on high those that be low; that those which mourn may be exalted to safety. This verse parallels the first two beatitudes from Matt. 5:3-4.

Job 5:13 He taketh the wise in their own craftiness: and the counsel of the froward is carried headlong. Recorded as scripture in 1Co 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.

Job 5:17 Behold, happy is the man whom God correcteth: therefore despise not thou the chastening of the Almighty:

Job 5:27 Lo this, we have searched it, so it is; hear it, and know thou it for thy good.

Words of Job​

Job 6:4 For the arrows of the Almighty are within me, the poison whereof drinketh up my spirit: the terrors of God do set themselves in array against me.

Job 6:8 Oh that I might have my request; and that God would grant me the thing that I long for! (9) Even that it would please God to destroy me; that he would let loose his hand, and cut me off!

Job 7:7 O remember that my life is wind: mine eye shall no more see good. HOW DO YOU COMPARE THESE VERSES? Job 19:25 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth: (26) And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God: (27) Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; though my reins be consumed within me.


Job 7:19 How long wilt thou not depart from me, nor let me alone till I swallow down my spittle?

Job 9:2 I know it is so of a truth: but how should man be just with God?

Job 9:17 For he breaketh me with a tempest, and multiplieth my wounds without cause.

Job 9:23 If the scourge slay suddenly, he will laugh at the trial of the innocent.

Job 9:24 The earth is given into the hand of the wicked: he covereth the faces of the judges thereof; if not, where, and who is he?

Job 10:20 Are not my days few? cease then, and let me alone, that I may take comfort a little, (21) before I go whence I shall not return, even to the land of darkness and the shadow of death; (22) A land of darkness, as darkness itself; and of the shadow of death, without any order, and where the light is as darkness.

Job 13:2 What ye know, the same do I know also: I am not inferior unto you.

Job 13:24 Wherefore hidest thou thy face, and holdest me for thine enemy?

Job 14:10 But man dieth, and wasteth away: yea, man giveth up the ghost, and where is he?

Job 16:14 He breaketh me with breach upon breach, he runneth upon me like a giant. (17)

Not for any injustice in mine hands: also my prayer is pure.

Job 16:22 When a few years are come, then I shall go the way whence I shall not return.

Job 19:10 He hath destroyed me on every side, and I am gone: and mine hope hath he removed like a tree.

Job 23:3 Oh that I knew where I might find him! that I might come even to his seat!

Job 27:6 My righteousness I hold fast, and will not let it go: my heart shall not reproach me so long as I live. Job 40:4 Behold, I am vile; what shall I answer thee? I will lay mine hand upon my mouth. Job 42:6 Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.

JOB SEEMS TO HAVE MULTIPLE PERSONALITIES. WHICH ONE IS THE TRUE JOB? The one that trusts God to redeem him, or the one who doesn't know how to be just with God, or the one who doesn't know where to find God, or the one who says God will laugh at the trial of the innocent. Do you believe God will laugh at the trial of the innocent?