Who is the beast that was and is not?

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7 kings,

5 have fallen (Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, media-persia, Greece)

One is (rome) and

one is yet to come (Rome 2 or iron and clay)

we can find the rest in daniel 7

where he saw ten kings, as he was looking at the ten, he saw this

and it had ten horns. 8 I was considering the horns, and there was another horn, a little one, coming up among them, before whom three of the first horns were plucked out by the roots. And there, in this horn, were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking [c]pompous words.

so out of ten he saw one, who destroyed three, that left the little one number 8, and he spoke pompous words. This is the little horn, or the final world leader, or the antichrist.

if you read the 4th beast in this chapter and in chapter two about the legs of iron and the feet of iron and clay. You notice the 4th beast was (in Jesus time) is not (he lost his power when rome fell) and will be again, when rome reforms as the iron and clay kingdom. In this final beast is the little horn who becomes the 8th king who rules them all. Ie a splintered kingdom (iron and clay) yet the most powerful gentile kingdom, and he will be destroyed by Christ himself
 

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Argue with God's clear words below :giggle:

Jerusalem (Upon You May Come All The Righteous Blood Shed Upon The Earth)

Matthew 23:29-37KJV
29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
While the Jews did slaughter all the prophets that came before Jesus up to the expulsion of all believers in Christ in the early first century; there have been, and are no prophets being slaughtered there since the first century. The whore Babylon is attributed for all murders committed throughout the world today, and therefore requires a motive. This motive is the whores policies that all the kings of the earth are become intoxicated with (Revelation 18:3). This is how the whore Babylon (not Jerusalem) rules over all the kings/kingdoms of the earth.

Revelation 18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
 

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Which is what I told you in my last post, though the majority of the world recognizes the RCC as the church, she currently does not have power to enforce her authority upon the masses. However, when that antichrist comes, she will ride him, i.e. use his position to reestablish her authority with force. Didn't you read anything that I wrote? Revelation chapters 17 & 18 describe her religious and commercial aspects. Go back to post #44 and reread it. If you had read it, you would have seen the part where I describe all of this.

I would also suggest a reading of Dave Hunt's "The Roman Catholic Church and the last days: A woman Rides the Beast."

It goes through the history of the pope's and the RCC.
People are going to actually in truth love the dragon, the beast, and the Antichrist (Revelation 13:4 & 8). This is not a make believe feigned religious worship.

Revelation 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
 

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While the Jews did slaughter all the prophets that came before Jesus up to the expulsion of all believers in Christ in the early first century; there have been, and are no prophets being slaughtered there since the first century. The whore Babylon is attributed for all murders committed throughout the world today, and therefore requires a motive. This motive is the whores policies that all the kings of the earth are become intoxicated with (Revelation 18:3). This is how the whore Babylon (not Jerusalem) rules over all the kings/kingdoms of the earth.

Revelation 18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
Jerusalem Is The Whore,Mysetery Babylon The Great.

Ezekiel 16:1-18KJV

1 Again the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,
2 Son of man, cause Jerusalem to know her abominations,
3 And say, Thus saith the Lord God unto Jerusalem; Thy birth and thy nativity is of the land of Canaan; thy father was an Amorite, and thy mother an Hittite.
4 And as for thy nativity, in the day thou wast born thy navel was not cut, neither wast thou washed in water to supple thee; thou wast not salted at all, nor swaddled at all.
5 None eye pitied thee, to do any of these unto thee, to have compassion upon thee; but thou wast cast out in the open field, to the lothing of thy person, in the day that thou wast born.
6 And when I passed by thee, and saw thee polluted in thine own blood, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live; yea, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live.
7 I have caused thee to multiply as the bud of the field, and thou hast increased and waxen great, and thou art come to excellent ornaments: thy breasts are fashioned, and thine hair is grown, whereas thou wast naked and bare.
8 Now when I passed by thee, and looked upon thee, behold, thy time was the time of love; and I spread my skirt over thee, and covered thy nakedness: yea, I sware unto thee, and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the Lord God, and thou becamest mine.
9 Then washed I thee with water; yea, I throughly washed away thy blood from thee, and I anointed thee with oil.
10 I clothed thee also with broidered work, and shod thee with badgers' skin, and I girded thee about with fine linen, and I covered thee with silk.
11 I decked thee also with ornaments, and I put bracelets upon thy hands, and a chain on thy neck.
12 And I put a jewel on thy forehead, and earrings in thine ears, and a beautiful crown upon thine head.
13 Thus wast thou decked with gold and silver; and thy raiment was of fine linen, and silk, and broidered work; thou didst eat fine flour, and honey, and oil: and thou wast exceeding beautiful, and thou didst prosper into a kingdom.
14 And thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through my comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord God.
15 But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown, and pouredst out thy fornications on every one that passed by; his it was.
16 And of thy garments thou didst take, and deckedst thy high places with divers colours, and playedst the harlot thereupon: the like things shall not come, neither shall it be so.

17 Thou hast also taken thy fair jewels of my gold and of my silver, which I had given thee, and madest to thyself images of men, and didst commit whoredom with them,
18 And tookest thy broidered garments, and coveredst them: and thou hast set mine oil and mine incense before them.
 

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People are going to actually in truth love the dragon, the beast, and the Antichrist (Revelation 13:4 & 8). This is not a make believe feigned religious worship.

Revelation 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
The world will be (Deceived) not forced into taking the mark, and worshipping the image

This deception will be by false miracles performed by the (False Prophet), calling fire from heaven, the imitation of God's Elijah

Revelation 13:11-14KJV
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles
which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
 

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A king over each mountain. Thus each mountain is a nation.
Scripture states nothing about each mountain having a king as you claim, you have added to the words of God in error :)
 

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A king over each mountain. Thus each mountain is a nation.
Possible for some heads but each head/mountain would contain more than one horn just like animal heads today typically have 2. 7 heads and ten horns means some heads have more than one horn.
 

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(Jerusalem) is the whore, mystery Babylon the great.

(Jerusalem) is the seven hilled city, where the woman sits, not Rome as many falsely claim.
There is NO MYSTERY, in Rev. 17:7 the Angel says COME and I will show you the MYSTERY of the Harlot AND the Beast she rides so why is it still a mystery? The answer, it's not, and never was intended as Mystery Babylon. The Word Mystery comes from the Greek word Musterion and means Secret by God's silence, or to SHUT THE MOUTH. The MYSTERY was a HEADER like this.

MYSTERY
1.) Babylon the Great
2.) Mother of Harlots
3.) Abominations of the Earth

We are given the NAMES of the Harlot which reveal who she is, thus we are told her SECRET/Mystery.

She is associated with Babylon the Great which is world-renowned for its FALSE RELIGION. She is the Mother of Harlotry because of these FALSE RELIGIONS. And we all know God is a jealous God and hates all FALSE RELIGION. The Harlot is ALL FALSE RELIGION, of all time. This is how she has the blood of BOTH the Saints (Jewish Saints) and Martyrs of Christ on her hands. Thus she is Islam, she is Buddhism, she is Hinduism, she is Witchcraft, she is Baal worship, which became Bel/Belios/Zeus/Jupiter worship. She is SDA and Mormonism also IMHO. She is ALL FALSE RELIGION of all time. Thus she sits on MANY WATER'S because she is in every nation.

Jerusalem is not even on the radar brother as per who the Harlot is. I don't even get the thought process tbh. And the 7 Hills/Mountains is self-explanatory, it's Seven Powers that fall, and 5 had already fallen, thus how can it be Jerusalem or Rome? It can't, it is Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, and Greece who had lost their Dominion/Power. The one that was still in power is obvious, it was Rome. The one yet to come is the Anti-Christ. So, why did God REDUCE the Mountain powers to KINGS that have fallen? In order to show us the Last Beast is a ONE MAN SHOW who never passes his kingdom on to another king, unlike all the rest of the Beasts.

Revelation 17:9KJV
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
And this is true when one understands the Harlot is ALL FALSE RELIGION of all time and thus she was co-mingled with Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, and Rome, they all had False gods they served. If one googles Scarlet and Purple, they can understand it is far more reaching than just the RCC colors. Satan has used that to hide who it really is. Those color dyes were very, very expensive to ake, thus only Royals and Religious Orders wore them, even the High Priests of Israel wore purple. Thus instead of thinking the RCC, think Governments and False Religion, the Harlot (False Religion Orders) RODE the [Government] Beasts down through the ages until this last Beast and his kings KILL OFF the Harlot, but why? Because things change with this last Beast, this ONE MAN desires to be worshiped as the ONLY god, Rev. 13 tells us that. The False Prophet demands that all men worship the image of the Beast or die.

If ALL MEN served the one true God there would have never been any Saints nor Martyrs killed.
 

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The beast is not a man, but a fallen angel who is currently in the Abyss. The man of lawlessness/antichrist who is to come, is a man. When the beast comes up out of the Abyss, he will be the spiritual power behind the antichrist. The antichrist will be the one who establishes the seven-year covenant with Israel in part and when the beast comes up out of the Abyss, he will at that time be the power behind the antichrist which is when he will cause the offerings and sacrifices to cease and the abomination to be set up. One will be a literal man and the other a fallen angel out of the Abyss, who will be the power behind the antichrist.
Everything in your first two posts was so spot on, I hate (I really love debate) having to differ on one point. The man who takes away the Sacrifices is the False Prophet (see Rev. 13 it says he places the IMAGE/AoD of the Beast.) Th, the Jews repent and start worshiping is False Prophet becomes a teammate to the coming Beast while hes still the E.U. President. So, after Israel repents (see Zechariah 13:8-9, we see that 1/3 of the Jews repent) and starts serving Jesus JUST BEFORE the coming DOTL (see Zechariah 14:1 its says the DOTL has come). So, just before the DOTL the Jews repent and start worshiping Jesus in the Temple of God, this Jewish High Priest will then FORBID Jesus worship (Takes away THE SACRIFICE) and place an IMAGE of the E.U. President in the Temple (Anti-Christ/COMING Beast who only becomes the Beast 30 days later at the 1260). We can see the SAME TWO TYPES in History. Antiochus and Jason, a High Priest who bribed Antiochus having his Pious High Priest brother Onias III killed and he then tried to Hellenize the Jews leading to the Maccabean Revolt. He also welcomed Antiochus with open arms to come in and sacrifice unto Zeus.

The 1290 is not the Anti-Christ, it's the Jewish High Priest who STOPS Jesus Worship. When I started asking questions about why Gabriel and Jesus (Man in Linen) would even talk about the Temple being PROFANED by taking away an already PROFANED Practice, I understood that the Sacrifice Jesus was talking about was not a profaned meat sacrifice, but his own REAL SACRIFICE, they forbid Jesus Worship by the 3-5 million Jews who repent. Now it makes sense why they understand they have to flee Judea, they have read Matt. 24:15-17 AND the Two-witnesses show up at the 1335. (Malachi 4:5-6). This also makes more sense on the timing issues, God would not warn the Jews via the AoD after the Anti-Christ was conquering Jerusalem, but if (and it is) the AoD is placed by the Jewish High Priest False Prophet, then they would still have 30 days to flee Judea.

Apollyon, IMHO, is the Scarlet Colored Beast. God Bless.
 

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Everything in your first two posts was so spot on, I hate (I really love debate) having to differ on one point. The man who takes away the Sacrifices is the False Prophet (see Rev. 13 it says he places the IMAGE/AoD of the Beast.) Th, the Jews repent and start worshiping is False Prophet becomes a teammate to the coming Beast while hes still the E.U. President. So, after Israel repents (see Zechariah 13:8-9, we see that 1/3 of the Jews repent) and starts serving Jesus JUST BEFORE the coming DOTL (see Zechariah 14:1 its says the DOTL has come). So, just before the DOTL the Jews repent and start worshiping Jesus in the Temple of God, this Jewish High Priest will then FORBID Jesus worship (Takes away THE SACRIFICE) and place an IMAGE of the E.U. President in the Temple (Anti-Christ/COMING Beast who only becomes the Beast 30 days later at the 1260). We can see the SAME TWO TYPES in History. Antiochus and Jason, a High Priest who bribed Antiochus having his Pious High Priest brother Onias III killed and he then tried to Hellenize the Jews leading to the Maccabean Revolt. He also welcomed Antiochus with open arms to come in and sacrifice unto Zeus.

The 1290 is not the Anti-Christ, it's the Jewish High Priest who STOPS Jesus Worship. When I started asking questions about why Gabriel and Jesus (Man in Linen) would even talk about the Temple being PROFANED by taking away an already PROFANED Practice, I understood that the Sacrifice Jesus was talking about was not a profaned meat sacrifice, but his own REAL SACRIFICE, they forbid Jesus Worship by the 3-5 million Jews who repent. Now it makes sense why they understand they have to flee Judea, they have read Matt. 24:15-17 AND the Two-witnesses show up at the 1335. (Malachi 4:5-6). This also makes more sense on the timing issues, God would not warn the Jews via the AoD after the Anti-Christ was conquering Jerusalem, but if (and it is) the AoD is placed by the Jewish High Priest False Prophet, then they would still have 30 days to flee Judea.

Apollyon, IMHO, is the Scarlet Colored Beast. God Bless.
Your (Preterist) eschatology is a farce, Antiochus Epiphanies 167BC played no role in Prophecy fulfillment, nor has the Antichrist been in Jerusalem as you claim

It appears your promoting the basic teaching of (Historicism) in (Preterism)

Future Events Unfulfilled Below:

Matthew 24:15 Daniels Abomination Of Desolation

Matthew 24:21 The Great Tribulation

Daniels (Little Horn) Daniel 7:8-11

Pausls (Man Of Sin) 2 Thessalonians 2:3

John's (The Beast) Revelation 13:1-5

John's (Two Witnesses) Revelation 11:3-6
 

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The world will be (Deceived) not forced into taking the mark, and worshipping the image

This deception will be by false miracles performed by the (False Prophet), calling fire from heaven, the imitation of God's Elijah

Revelation 13:11-14KJV
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles
which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
The Word says the whole world who are not written in the lambs book of life will adore/worship/love the beast, the dragon, and the antichrist. As such, there is a reason (a motive) for why the world will be so adamantly enamored with these entities. Some wish to believe this means that there are seven billion simpletons who are going to be deceived into some false type of religion; but according to the Word it will be that the world will be intoxicated with the beasts system.
 

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Jerusalem Is The Whore,Mysetery Babylon The Great.

Ezekiel 16:1-18KJV
1 Again the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,
2 Son of man, cause Jerusalem to know her abominations,
3 And say, Thus saith the Lord God unto Jerusalem; Thy birth and thy nativity is of the land of Canaan; thy father was an Amorite, and thy mother an Hittite.
4 And as for thy nativity, in the day thou wast born thy navel was not cut, neither wast thou washed in water to supple thee; thou wast not salted at all, nor swaddled at all.
5 None eye pitied thee, to do any of these unto thee, to have compassion upon thee; but thou wast cast out in the open field, to the lothing of thy person, in the day that thou wast born.
6 And when I passed by thee, and saw thee polluted in thine own blood, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live; yea, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live.
7 I have caused thee to multiply as the bud of the field, and thou hast increased and waxen great, and thou art come to excellent ornaments: thy breasts are fashioned, and thine hair is grown, whereas thou wast naked and bare.
8 Now when I passed by thee, and looked upon thee, behold, thy time was the time of love; and I spread my skirt over thee, and covered thy nakedness: yea, I sware unto thee, and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the Lord God, and thou becamest mine.
9 Then washed I thee with water; yea, I throughly washed away thy blood from thee, and I anointed thee with oil.
10 I clothed thee also with broidered work, and shod thee with badgers' skin, and I girded thee about with fine linen, and I covered thee with silk.
11 I decked thee also with ornaments, and I put bracelets upon thy hands, and a chain on thy neck.
12 And I put a jewel on thy forehead, and earrings in thine ears, and a beautiful crown upon thine head.
13 Thus wast thou decked with gold and silver; and thy raiment was of fine linen, and silk, and broidered work; thou didst eat fine flour, and honey, and oil: and thou wast exceeding beautiful, and thou didst prosper into a kingdom.
14 And thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through my comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord God.
15 But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown, and pouredst out thy fornications on every one that passed by; his it was.
16 And of thy garments thou didst take, and deckedst thy high places with divers colours, and playedst the harlot thereupon: the like things shall not come, neither shall it be so.

17 Thou hast also taken thy fair jewels of my gold and of my silver, which I had given thee, and madest to thyself images of men, and didst commit whoredom with them,
18 And tookest thy broidered garments, and coveredst them: and thou hast set mine oil and mine incense before them.
Like I mentioned in a previous post and am only repeating myself now; you have to put all the criteria the Lord provides us about the whore Babylon, the seven mountains she sits on, the kings it represents, along with their actions and results, in order to derive a more accurate assessment as to who the city that rules over the kingdoms of the earth represents. Jerusalem does not meet the criteria.
 

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Scripture states nothing about each mountain having a king as you claim, you have added to the words of God in error :)
What do you think the seven kings do in association with the seven mountains? The seven mountains are seven big nations the seven kings rule over, and are not seven actual mountains that the seven kings sit on.
Revelation 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. 10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
 

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The Word says the whole world who are not written in the lambs book of life will adore/worship/love the beast, the dragon, and the antichrist. As such, there is a reason (a motive) for why the world will be so adamantly enamored with these entities. Some wish to believe this means that there are seven billion simpletons who are going to be deceived into some false type of religion; but according to the Word it will be that the world will be intoxicated with the beasts system.
As the scripture clearly teaches, the world will be deceived by false miracles, no guess work, right before your eyes again :)

This deception will be by false miracles performed by the (False Prophet), calling fire from heaven, the imitation of God's Elijah

Revelation 13:11-14KJV
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles
which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
 

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Possible for some heads but each head/mountain would contain more than one horn just like animal heads today typically have 2. 7 heads and ten horns means some heads have more than one horn.
This is a little complicated to explain ewq1938, but I will give it a go.
In Daniel 7 we see the beast with 10 horns from one of which the little horn (aka the Antichrist) shall ascend. In the next chapter, Daniel 8, we see a he-goat having a notable horn who traverses the whole earth from the West without touching the ground and annihilates a ram having two horns. We are then informed that the he-goat metaphorically represents the kingdom of Greece, and the ram represents Media and Persia, all of whoms actions are to transpire during the end times (Daniel 8:17 & 19). Without going into details on who the Kingdom of Greece who traverses the whole earth without touching the ground (using its notable air force), to annihilate Media and Persia during the end times, who today represent Iraq and Iran, is; upon annihilating both the rams horns, the he goat then gains greater prominence causing its notable horn to secede into four horns. It is from one of these four horns where the little horn (aka the Antichrist) shall then ascend. Putting these data together and recognizing the little horn who ascends from one of the beasts 10 horns in Daniel 7 is the same little horn who ascends from one of the he goats four seceded horns in Daniel 8, we can then further determine that prior to the he goats notable horn being broken there were then only seven horns comprising the beasts members. These members are the seven heads/kings/kingdoms of the beast.
 

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What do you think the seven kings do in association with the seven mountains? The seven mountains are seven big nations the seven kings rule over, and are not seven actual mountains that the seven kings sit on.
Revelation 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. 10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
The scripture clearly states the seven heads are mountains, and once again there is a (Period) between verse 9-10 ending the explanation

It dosent state the seven heads are seven kings as you falsely claim

The seven heads are seven (Mountains)


And those seven hills/mountains is Jerusalem

Revelation 17:9KJV

9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth
 

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As the scripture clearly teaches, the world will be deceived by false miracles, no guess work, right before your eyes again :)

This deception will be by false miracles performed by the (False Prophet), calling fire from heaven, the imitation of God's Elijah

Revelation 13:11-14KJV
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles
which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
The miracles the world will love and be intoxicated with is technology that is currently destroying the earth. The power the devil will provide the beast that will cause the beasts ascension from the sea is fusion. Once the devil provides the beast with the key to unlock the virtually unlimited (bottomless pit) of energy that fusion will provide, all that will be needed are hydrogen isotopes of which the worlds seas have a virtually unlimited (bottomless pit) quantity of to provide mankind the means to produce an unlimited amount of technological toys (idols), that the whole world who are not written in the lambs book of life will be enamored and intoxicated with.
 

Truth7t7

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Like I mentioned in a previous post and am only repeating myself now; you have to put all the criteria the Lord provides us about the whore Babylon, the seven mountains she sits on, the kings it represents, along with their actions and results, in order to derive a more accurate assessment as to who the city that rules over the kingdoms of the earth represents. Jerusalem does not meet the criteria.
We will disagree :)

Scripture clearly teaches Jerusalem is the (Great City) And "Jerusalem" will reign over the Kings of the earth, when the Antichrist takes his seat in "Jerusalem" for 42 months.

Jerusalem Is The (Great City) where Jesus Christ was crucified, and the future Antichrist will reign over the Kings of Earth And (World) from Jerusalem (Fact)

Revelation 17:18KJV

18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

Revelation 11:7-12KJV
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
 

luigi

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The scripture clearly states the seven heads are mountains, and once again there is a (Period) between verse 9-10 ending the explanation

It dosent state the seven heads are seven kings as you falsely claim

The seven heads are seven (Mountains)

And those seven hills/mountains is Jerusalem

Revelation 17:9KJV
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth
Throughout the bible, large powerful nations are often metaphorically referred to as mountains, while smaller less powerful nations are often metaphorically referred to as hills. In the latter days the land of the faithful will become the greatest of mountains (Isaiah 2:2).

Isaiah 2:2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
 

Truth7t7

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The miracles the world will love and be intoxicated with is technology that is currently destroying the earth. The power the devil will provide the beast that will cause the beasts ascension from the sea is fusion. Once the devil provides the beast with the key to unlock the virtually unlimited (bottomless pit) of energy that fusion will provide, all that will be needed are hydrogen isotopes of which the worlds seas have a virtually unlimited (bottomless pit) quantity of to provide mankind the means to produce an unlimited amount of technological toys (idols), that the whole world who are not written in the lambs book of life will be enamored and intoxicated with.
Your eschatology is Sci-Fi, the LSD trip went wrong, were off to see the wizard, Real Big Smiles!