Who is the Nephilim?

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oldhermit

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Interesting possibility, but why would God go to all the trouble of wiping all the imperfection out but allowing it to continue with the introduction of impure blood line?
This was not a question of impure bloodlines. It was an issue of incompatible ideologies - one good, one wicked. A Nephelim was not incapable of being a godly man. This was a matter of choice.
 
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Whoever these "giant" men were and where they came from - they were no match for an 85 year old man of God named Caleb who went up and slew the giants that stood in the way of his inheritance.
 

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The book of Jubilees is false doctrine, as an oral tradition of men they are designed to make the faith of God without effect by rather having our faith in respect to sinful men,us. . The angels were not created of the dust in the image of God.

They have no DNA needed to multiply.

It s simply teaching we are not to be unevenly yoked with those who do not have have faith the froward nation, in Adam all die.
In that case angels have no DNA to create a body to interact with us, like angel hitting Peter to his side. They obviously have no problem in the constitution and functions of bodies.
 

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I did not study about the flood,concerning the sons of God,coming unto the daughters of men,that produced such wicked people,but it kind of does not make sense either way you look at it.

If it is from the line of Seth,and they are considered the sons of God,why would they take unto themselves the daughters of men,of all that they chose,being wicked,and produce people that were very wicked,if they are the sons of God.

If it is fallen angels,how can they come in to the daughters of men,unless they possessed men to perform the act,but then why would a fallen angel,being a spiritual being,have any interest in having sex with people,except for one thing,and that is to disrupt the creation of God,for they are rebellious towards God.

Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rev 18:1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

When war breaks out in heaven,the devils will be cast to earth,which the earth becomes their holding cell,and Satan is no more the prince of the power of the air,and the devils will deceive all people that do not love God,which is the strong delusion that God will send all those who love not God,so they will follow the beast kingdom,and God will separate the world,from those who love the truth.

The devils will disrupt God's creation,and cause people to be continuously wicked,like in the days of Noah.

It could be that the sons of God,are fallen angels that disrupted the creation,in the days of Noah,for they are rebellious towards God,and will do it in the future,to cause the beast kingdom to come about.

Gen 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
Gen 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

If it is the from the line of Seth,being people,why would it produce such wicked people,where they were evil continually,when people today are not producing such wicked people,and people are people,whether back then,or today,for if they could produce such wicked people back then,then the same thing would happen all through history,for people are people.

People coming in unto people,and having children,would not produce such wicked people,that were evil continually,as described in Genesis 6,for without Satan manipulating people,people would not be wicked like that,and during the millennial reign of Christ,the devil is bound,and cast in to the bottomless pit,and there is peace for 1000 years,for Satan is not manipulating the people.

People will only be wicked like that if they are influenced by fallen angels,which is why they are so wicked at the beast kingdom,to be evil continually,because the fallen angels are influencing all those who love not God,to follow the beast kingdom,for without the devils influencing people,people would not be wicked like described in Genesis 6.

Sons of God.

אֱלֹהִים
'ĕlôhı̂ym
el-o-heem'
Plural of H433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative: - angels, X exceeding, God (gods) (-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.

I believe it was the fallen angels disrupting the creation,for they are rebellious towards God,and they will do it again in the future,which will cause the beast kingdom to come about,but I will study it more,but that is what it appears to me,for it does not make sense that they would be that wicked,and produce people of the caliber stated,to be evil continually,without the influence of the fallen angels,for without the influence of the devils,people would not be that wicked,as in the case of the millennial reign of Christ,when there is peace for 1000 years,because the people that God spared that fought against Israel,that Jesus an the saints rule over,are not influenced by the devils.

You appear to enjoy doing research. Let be challenge you do something. Find a good online concordance and look up the phrase "sons of God" and see who the subject is in each text you find.
 
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Angels do not have sex organs to able to procreate with women.

For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven. Matthew 22:30

Also, the Septuagint has angels of GOD (or my angels) instead of sons of GOD in verses where it is obviously referring to angels.

And it came to pass on a day, that behold, the angels of God came to stand before the Lord, and the devil came with them. Job 1:6

When the stars were made, all my angels praised me with a loud voice. Job 38:7

Also, to which of the angels did GOD ever say, 'You are my son?'. He didn't.

​For to which of the angels did he ever say, ​“You are my son, today I have fathered you,” ​and again, ​“I will be his father, and he will be my son”? Hebrews 1:5
 
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I don't know if this is going to work hopefully....have not figured out yet how to reply to people's comments so if it doesn't forgive me....but anyway 9 ft. tall i don't think would be enough to make the Israelites feel like grasshoppers do you? and also Magenta hi sister hope you are having a very good and blessed day!
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As to people suggesting it does not make sense that Seth could be Godly while Cain was not, simply because they were the same bloodline of Adam and Eve, well, Cain and Abel were of the same blood line also, and so were Jacob and Esau. I am not sure how that is seen not to make any sense in light of the rest of Scripture.


 
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If it is fallen angels, how can they come in to the daughters of men,unless they possessed men to perform the act,but then why would a fallen angel, being a spiritual being,have any interest in having sex with people, except for one thing, and that is to disrupt the creation of God,for they are rebellious towards God.
Yes men can be deceived by the antichrist s Satan who has no form (DNA) and move men according to his lying will.

Sons of God is in respect to those as many that are led by the Spirit of God that dwells in them .

Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

If any man has not the Spirit of Christ, the Holy anointing Spirit of God ...they do not belong to the spiritual seed of God, and not seeds referring the flesh of men.

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

As you mentioned.; If it is from the line of Seth, and they are considered the sons of God.

Yes, a clear distinction between the things of God and those of men must be made. Again seed single speaking of the spiritual one seed. Christ , by which all men are born again from above.

Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Genesis 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.
 
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I did not study about the flood,concerning the sons of God,coming unto the daughters of men,that produced such wicked people,but it kind of does not make sense either way you look at it.

If it is from the line of Seth,and they are considered the sons of God,why would they take unto themselves the daughters of men,of all that they chose,being wicked,and produce people that were very wicked,if they are the sons of God.
Most likely because their faith was corrupted by worldly women, just like pagan, ungodly women turned Solomon aside from the right path, and like pagan foreign women with whom Israel intermarried turned them away from following YHWH.

It's all about the lineage of faith, not the lineage of DNA.
 

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trofimus

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Why should the daughters of Adam be the ungodly daughters of Cain?
The text is clearly implying that the guilt was on the "sons of Elohim" side, not on the side of some kind of "ungodly daughters of Cain", so the sons of Seth should be the ungodly ones, in this case.

And the main problem - the text itself does not have the Seth/Cain names at all... its a pure invention put into to text to get rid of supernatural event.
Text have "sons of Elohim" and "the daughters of Adam", which is always a description of humanity.

To giants - yes, sometimes, by genetics, in a average population, some individuals can get by some mutations abnormal height. But its mainly some kind of desease and they very frequently die quite young.
But why should series of renown giants be a product of godly/ungodly tribes mixing? What would be the reason for this?
 
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Let Scripture define itself.

2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Job 1:6, "Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them."

Angels are sons of God. All angels throughout the Bible are male(Christmas tree toppers are female, sorry:)). The fallen sons of God had relations with the daughters of men thus corrupted the seed line of man. Only Noah's lineage was not corrupted, thus Noah and his family were saved upon the ark to keep the promise of Genesis 3:15.

Genesis 6:9, "These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God."

This shows the importance of Genesis chapter 5 and how God kept a seed line perfect and not corrupted by the sons of God. These relationships show up throughout the Bible as Satan attacks the promised seed. Even in the end times we see the iron mixed with clay battling it out with the Lord and His angels.
 
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Agricola said:
tanakh said:
The Nephelim were the result of intermarriage between Angelic beings and women. According to the Apocryphal book of Jubilees they also tampered with Animals. This is possibly one of the main reasons for the flood that wiped out all living things as well as people. It may also explain where Dinosaurs and other extinct beasts fit into the picture. Many of them were gigantic as well. I also believe at least one of the women on board the Ark carried Nephelim Genes which would explain why Giants were still being produced after the flood.
Interesting possibility, but why would God go to all the trouble of wiping all the imperfection out but allowing it to continue with the introduction of impure blood line?

The other two theories I hold on to are: as they were spiritual beings they had ability to escape into another dimension and these fallen angels simply came back and picked up where they left off.
In Genesis 6:4, we see that

there were giants in the earth in those days (days of Noah)

and ALSO AFTER THAT (another occurrence of nephilim)

when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them.

Different names for nephilim in Scripture:

Numbers 13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants:

sons of Anak (anakim) which come of the giants (nephilim).


Deuteronomy 2:10-11 The Emims dwelt therein in times past, a people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims; Which also were accounted giants, as the Anakims; but the Moabites call them Emims.

The moabites refer to the anakims as "emims".


Deuteronomy 2:20 (That also was accounted a land of giants: giants dwelt therein in old time; and the Ammonites call them Zamzummims;

The ammonites refer to them as "zamzummims".

In Deuteronomy 2:11 and 2:20, the word "giants" is the Hebrew word rə-p̄ā-’îm --- rephaim is another branch of nephilim.
 

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What about the dozens, if not hundreds of bones discovered over the centuries that show people being as tall as over 20 feet?
How were some structures built that we can't even do today> Yes, there are some stone in this world that we can't lift with our modern cranes.
What about the purity of Noah?
The book of Enoch is referred to in the bible.
Why did God tell the Israelite's to kill not only al woman and children, but even all the animals of certain groups? Maybe because God was concerned of a repeat with what happened with dinosaurs?
What about hundreds of alien sightings, UFO sightings, alien abduction stories? Funny how the uptick in all of these coincide with the times that the fallen angels were to be released, according to certain sources.
So because angels are not sexual does not mean they did not have the technology knowledge to do this?
Because there is a man that was about 9 feet tall, means that the bible is incorrect? So then how do we explain dwarfs or midgets conversely?
How did man get certain knowledge back in those ancient days? From the garden to working with metals, understanding astrology, and so on. Is it at least possible that fallen angels instructed them in some areas?
I am not expert about this, but I have studied this for about over 150 hours over the years, and I personally find the evidence compelling that there were giants, and it was fallen angels.
 
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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
Also, the Septuagint has angels of GOD (or my angels) instead of sons of GOD in verses where it is obviously referring to angels.

And it came to pass on a day, that behold, the angels of God came to stand before the Lord, and the devil came with them. Job 1:6
Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.


Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men



Job 1:6 sons of God – Hebrew "bə-nê hā-’ĕ-lō-hîm"

Genesis 6:4 sons of God – Hebrew "bə-nê hā-’ĕ-lō-hîm"
 
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Let Scripture define itself.

2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Job 1:6, "Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them."

Angels are sons of God. All angels throughout the Bible are male(Christmas tree toppers are female, sorry:)). The fallen sons of God had relations with the daughters of men thus corrupted the seed line of man. Only Noah's lineage was not corrupted, thus Noah and his family were saved upon the ark to keep the promise of Genesis 3:15.

Genesis 6:9, "These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God."

This shows the importance of Genesis chapter 5 and how God kept a seed line perfect and not corrupted by the sons of God. These relationships show up throughout the Bible as Satan attacks the promised seed. Even in the end times we see the iron mixed with clay battling it out with the Lord and His angels.
And also - Jude 1:6 . . . And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitations, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

As for angels being able to take human form: Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares. Heb. 13:2
 
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John 146 said:
Only Noah's lineage was not corrupted, thus Noah and his family were saved upon the ark to keep the promise of Genesis 3:15.

Genesis 6:9, "These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God."

This shows the importance of Genesis chapter 5 and how God kept a seed line perfect and not corrupted by the sons of God.
That is my understanding of the words perfect in his generations --- not that Noah or his family were without sin --- but that the bloodline was uncontaminated.
 
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Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.


Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men



Job 1:6 sons of God – Hebrew "bə-nê hā-’ĕ-lō-hîm"

Genesis 6:4 sons of God – Hebrew "bə-nê hā-’ĕ-lō-hîm"
In the Septuagint, Genesis 6:4 has sons of GOD; in Job 1:6 it has angels of GOD. The bible you are quoting from is derived from the Masoretic Text, which is a Hebrew bible that was modified with Jewish traditions.
 
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The book of Jubilees is false doctrine.
why is it false? and what difference if doctrine is false. doctrine is man made law and has proven time and time again to be inaccurate. doctrine used to claim the world was flat.
 

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In the Septuagint, Genesis 6:4 has sons of GOD; in Job 1:6 it has angels of GOD. The bible you are quoting from is derived from the Masoretic Text, which is a Hebrew bible that was modified with Jewish traditions.
Or the LXX translators knew that "sons of God" means "angels" in Old Testament and used these two as synonyms.