Who is the Nephilim?

[garee]

Looking at that Genesis 6 account where we find the words; “Sons of God with daughter of men” and married in order to be fruitful and multiply (some say married demons) providing a off-spring of more, demon angels called the Legion..

Keeping in mind that since all scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness and nothing is by accident or consequential.

I would ask for ideas as what would be some of the purposes of making the Sons of God in that verse fallen angels that have no form or sexually into what some call (L.G.B.T.) today in this world where God’s morals are being challenged by liberalism to make it easier and easier to walk against God?

If it is not instructing us to not be unevenly yoked how else would God preserve the seed of Christ from becoming of no value?

It I believe falls into the category, that the one thing is that people do not learn about history is the pattern that at the rise and fall of every nation it has do with moral issues and the neutrality of gender is at the top of list.

It’s the kind of idea where some believe shutting down public schools could work to stop the increasing speed of moral decline. The government sanctioned killing of babies, same sex marriage etc is picking up speed like a locomotive out of control in what it seems an attempt to challenge what is called political correctness which in some ways has become the god of this world in the name of tolerance. Which has lost its true meaning because of political correctness. .

To myself I see it as a great tribulation leading to an improper understanding as if this kingdom had already come .Rather than making the Sons of God ( the seed of Christ, called the generation of Christ ) believers that had become unevenly yoked with the daughters of men ( the seed of the serpent the generation of Adam ) therefore what was happening polluting the seed of Christ in respect the generation of Christ (the believers) . It would seem the only way that portion of scripture could make any spiritual sense to a believer?

It’s not written for nothing and if it is a warning for staying clear of tall people. What’s the height requirement before should we start fearing a person is having a sexual union with a demon giving birth to other tall demons?

Is it only short people that have a reason to claim to be born again?

The daughters of men is a description given to the generation of Adam beginning in Gen5. It sets up the context for chapter 6. .

This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. Gen 5:1

Sons of God in respect to the seed of Christ would seem to be under the “generation of Christ” as new creatures. The context would seem to compare believers (Sons of God) to non-believers(daughter of men as children of men) the whole world had become a mixed breed of those who believed, being married with those who believe not.(no faith) There was a danger of finding no faith and the seed of Christ would be lost to preserve the generation of Christ.

How would making them angels, fit into the context of a world that has become without a faith founded on the world of God the incorruptible seed, called Christ. .?

It is why the question below must be looked at below .what will he finds when he does come will it be a race that practices (L.G.B.T.)

Luk 18:8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

What’s next.. Pedophile rights more and more tolerance?

Again from my experiences with others there should be many, many reason a persons would make them into angels and not converted men yet I see nothing that would cause myself to come to that conclusion other than people like drama and mystery by making them into wonders (faith issues)

 

[jaybird88]

Looking at that Genesis 6 account where we find the words; “Sons of God with daughter of men” and married in order to be fruitful and multiply (some say married demons) providing a off-spring of more, demon angels called the Legion..

Keeping in mind that since all scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness and nothing is by accident or consequential.

I would ask for ideas as what would be some of the purposes of making the Sons of God in that verse fallen angels that have no form or sexually into what some call (L.G.B.T.) today in this world where God’s morals are being challenged by liberalism to make it easier and easier to walk against God?

If it is not instructing us to not be unevenly yoked how else would God preserve the seed of Christ from becoming of no value?

It I believe falls into the category, that the one thing is that people do not learn about history is the pattern that at the rise and fall of every nation it has do with moral issues and the neutrality of gender is at the top of list.

It’s the kind of idea where some believe shutting down public schools could work to stop the increasing speed of moral decline. The government sanctioned killing of babies, same sex marriage etc is picking up speed like a locomotive out of control in what it seems an attempt to challenge what is called political correctness which in some ways has become the god of this world in the name of tolerance. Which has lost its true meaning because of political correctness. .

To myself I see it as a great tribulation leading to an improper understanding as if this kingdom had already come .Rather than making the Sons of God ( the seed of Christ, called the generation of Christ ) believers that had become unevenly yoked with the daughters of men ( the seed of the serpent the generation of Adam ) therefore what was happening polluting the seed of Christ in respect the generation of Christ (the believers) . It would seem the only way that portion of scripture could make any spiritual sense to a believer?

It’s not written for nothing and if it is a warning for staying clear of tall people. What’s the height requirement before should we start fearing a person is having a sexual union with a demon giving birth to other tall demons?

Is it only short people that have a reason to claim to be born again?

The daughters of men is a description given to the generation of Adam beginning in Gen5. It sets up the context for chapter 6. .

This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. Gen 5:1

Sons of God in respect to the seed of Christ would seem to be under the “generation of Christ” as new creatures. The context would seem to compare believers (Sons of God) to non-believers(daughter of men as children of men) the whole world had become a mixed breed of those who believed, being married with those who believe not.(no faith) There was a danger of finding no faith and the seed of Christ would be lost to preserve the generation of Christ.

How would making them angels, fit into the context of a world that has become without a faith founded on the world of God the incorruptible seed, called Christ. .?

It is why the question below must be looked at below .what will he finds when he does come will it be a race that practices (L.G.B.T.)

Luk 18:8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

What’s next.. Pedophile rights more and more tolerance?

Again from my experiences with others there should be many, many reason a persons would make them into angels and not converted men yet I see nothing that would cause myself to come to that conclusion other than people like drama and mystery by making them into wonders (faith issues)

why do so many ancient cultures from around the world tell the exact same story, fallen ones/fallen angels/sky people/sky gods, fell to earth and created offspring with humans.
if something like this didnt happen it seems pretty far fetched that so many from around the world, that never met each other would all make up the same story.

 

[garee]

why do so many ancient cultures from around the world tell the exact same story, fallen ones/fallen angels/sky people/sky gods, fell to earth and created offspring with humans.
if something like this didnt happen it seems pretty far fetched that so many from around the world, that never met each other would all make up the same story.

Thanks for the reply, I like the Indian Chief image.

I can offer my private interpretation as a personal opinion.

It’s not a salvation issue but with myself the context seems to leans more towards the idea that the believing Jew called a Son of God is shown as being unevenly yoked with unbelievers (daughters of men) as part of the description of a downward decline in morals. as it is written in Genesis 6..... And that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

It would appear that when God uses the phrase "of men" whether it is daughters of men ,or sons of men it is speaking of natural unconverted man .Where again sons of God speaks of the new creation....those who have the Spirit of Christ showing they belong to God .

When he set up the new order he gave instructions in respect to the spiritual seed of Christ how it would be preserved through other traditions of God because he promised to never destroy the world by flood as he did with Noah.

We can see God protecting the seed of Christ in respect the generation of Christ (the believers) by which they could trace the genealogy of Christ.(Mathew 1) Like for instance with Abraham when he was in Egypt. God, warning the Pharaoh in a dream not to touch Sarah in whom the seed of Christ came through or with Onan spilling the seed . The need of that tradition (Deu 25:5) to reserve the genealogy of Christ as shown in Mathew 1. was fulfilled as part of the first century reformation when the Son of man, Jesus was born. Then there was no more need to continue the genealogy past his birth .

I think the traditions of men could of come from some believing they were angels and it has been passed down as private interpretation of God’s interpretation, as it is written .

But personally I would say we don’t look to the oral traditions of men to see if they agree with God’s tradition the bible since his is the master by which our traditions as private interpretations are measured. I don’t think we should have to leave the air way open to aliens not of this world from there it ca become space ships or whatever the imagination of a person heart can come up with.. That would be to speculate or assume and we cannot build a faith as a law on speculation based assumptions.

 

[DP]

Hello brethren,
I am so often very confused when it comes to this subject....I had believed the Sons of God were the angels that had fallen and thus were involved with the women of men. Some i have heard say this is ridiculous and that it was the lineage of Seth and the women were of the lineage of Cain and that intermingling brought about the flood of Noah. However why then the distinction of the offspring, such as being called Nephilim, GEN:6-4 also why were they giants again Gen:6-4, and Num:13-33 here they are discribing them as such giants that the Israelites feel like grasshoppers...??? So again i am left to believe that the "sons of God" were indeed angels for if it was the lineage intermingling we have had that all along before and after Noah, and really at this point i do not see how that would produce such giants....so if anyone can show me in scripture that my interpetation is wrong i would appreciate it. Thank you brethren for your time and consideration.

Smithsonian Admits to Destruction of Thousands of Giant Human Skeletons in Early 1900’s – World News Daily Report

 

[jaybird88]

Thanks for the reply, I like the Indian Chief image.

I can offer my private interpretation as a personal opinion.

It’s not a salvation issue but with myself the context seems to leans more towards the idea that the believing Jew called a Son of God is shown as being unevenly yoked with unbelievers (daughters of men) as part of the description of a downward decline in morals. as it is written in Genesis 6..... And that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

It would appear that when God uses the phrase "of men" whether it is daughters of men ,or sons of men it is speaking of natural unconverted man .Where again sons of God speaks of the new creation....those who have the Spirit of Christ showing they belong to God .

When he set up the new order he gave instructions in respect to the spiritual seed of Christ how it would be preserved through other traditions of God because he promised to never destroy the world by flood as he did with Noah.

We can see God protecting the seed of Christ in respect the generation of Christ (the believers) by which they could trace the genealogy of Christ.(Mathew 1) Like for instance with Abraham when he was in Egypt. God, warning the Pharaoh in a dream not to touch Sarah in whom the seed of Christ came through or with Onan spilling the seed . The need of that tradition (Deu 25:5) to reserve the genealogy of Christ as shown in Mathew 1. was fulfilled as part of the first century reformation when the Son of man, Jesus was born. Then there was no more need to continue the genealogy past his birth .

I think the traditions of men could of come from some believing they were angels and it has been passed down as private interpretation of God’s interpretation, as it is written .

But personally I would say we don’t look to the oral traditions of men to see if they agree with God’s tradition the bible since his is the master by which our traditions as private interpretations are measured. I don’t think we should have to leave the air way open to aliens not of this world from there it ca become space ships or whatever the imagination of a person heart can come up with.. That would be to speculate or assume and we cannot build a faith as a law on speculation based assumptions.

glad u like pic and i agree its not a salvation thing. but some of us believe Christianity is much deeper than salvation. these fallen ones, whoever they are, i think explain a lot about the world. when our Lord created all this, it was good. when i look at the world today and see whats going on, it looks far from good. does mankind have the power to do so much damage? we do bad things for sure but there is so much out there that leads me to believe there are other factors at work. still doesnt make us innocent but i for one would like to know more.

 

[jaybird88]

Smithsonian Admits to Destruction of Thousands of Giant Human Skeletons in Early 1900’s – World News Daily Report

they been hiding that stuff for years. all the tribes in north america talk of red hair giants in their ancient traditions.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

these fallen ones, whoever they are, i think explain a lot about the world. when our Lord created all this, it was good. when i look at the world today and see whats going on, it looks far from good. does mankind have the power to do so much damage? we do bad things for sure but there is so much out there that leads me to believe there are other factors at work. still doesnt make us innocent but i for one would like to know more.

Right. Natural man is sinful, but some of the stuff we see/hear about surpasses just plain old natural man thinking in its downright evil-ness.

When we read about the days of Noah, God says

And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually (Gen 6:5).

Those statements (that the wickedness of man was great in the earth and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually) are very profound. To have a heart so darkened that the thoughts are evil continually boggles my mind. I just cannot fathom that.

Fast forward to our day and time and I cannot fathom how someone could even conceive of flying an airplane into a building full of people. Go figure …

 

[birdie]

Hello brethren,
I am so often very confused when it comes to this subject....I had believed the Sons of God were the angels that had fallen and thus were involved with the women of men. Some i have heard say this is ridiculous and that it was the lineage of Seth and the women were of the lineage of Cain and that intermingling brought about the flood of Noah. However why then the distinction of the offspring, such as being called Nephilim, GEN:6-4 also why were they giants again Gen:6-4, and Num:13-33 here they are discribing them as such giants that the Israelites feel like grasshoppers...??? So again i am left to believe that the "sons of God" were indeed angels for if it was the lineage intermingling we have had that all along before and after Noah, and really at this point i do not see how that would produce such giants....so if anyone can show me in scripture that my interpetation is wrong i would appreciate it. Thank you brethren for your time and consideration.

"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:"

The sons of God mentioned in Genesis just means the true believers. It is not talking about super heavenly angels or anything like that different from humans.

 

[RobbyEarl]

No the Sons of God were angels and not men. I would suggest reading the book of Enoch but not a lot of faith in it, but it does give insight to the bible just as Josephus does.

 

[John146]

"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:"

The sons of God mentioned in Genesis just means the true believers. It is not talking about super heavenly angels or anything like that different from humans.

The only way to become a "son of God" is through the new birth, becoming a "new creature in Christ" by the gospel of the death, burial and resurrection. This would not be possible to those living at the time of Noah.

 

[birdie]

The only way to become a "son of God" is through the new birth, becoming a "new creature in Christ" by the gospel of the death, burial and resurrection. This would not be possible to those living at the time of Noah.

Why, then, is it a picture of the time period after Christ's death and resurrection? : "And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man."

Further, the ark is a picture of God's eternal covenant with the true believers. Noah is a picture of Christ (that's why he did the work of building the ark) and those in the ark with him are a picture of the true believers.

 

[garee]

No the Sons of God were angels and not men. I would suggest reading the book of Enoch but not a lot of faith in it, but it does give insight to the bible just as Josephus does.

Sons of God led by the Spirit of God?

Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

If so do they as us cry out Abba Father ? What does the book of Enoch say? And if so then why did God bring the flood rather than letting them multiply as those led by the Spirit ?

Galatians 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

 

[garee]

The only way to become a "son of God" is through the new birth, becoming a "new creature in Christ" by the gospel of the death, burial and resurrection. This would not be possible to those living at the time of Noah.

Did you mean outside of Noah seeing he did find find the faith of Christ with him.

When he comes again will he find faith or no faith?

Luke 18:8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

 

[1LonelyKnight]

Maybe 'giants' is a literary term. Like the New York Giants of foot-a-baal fame or the San Francisco giants of base-ee-Baal fame. Gotta watch out for those Rams, Lions , Bears, Pats and Cowboys too. Cardinals and Padres prolly always looking on too. A nation bows down to them, eats meats (ok - chicken wings and Baal park Frank's) offered to them, does the wave offering and wears the special vestments (ok-baal caps and jerseys) in their name in the temple of tax payer funded stay-deims.

Giants and daughters of men indeed ... Joe DiMaggio and Marilyn Monroe

 

[1LonelyKnight]

Maybe 'giants' is a literary term. Like the New York Giants of foot-a-baal fame or the San Francisco giants of base-ee-Baal fame. Gotta watch out for those Rams, Lions , Bears, Pats and Cowboys too. Cardinals and Padres prolly always looking on too. A nation bows down to them, eats meats (ok - chicken wings and Baal park Frank's) offered to them, does the wave offering and wears the special vestments (ok-baal caps and jerseys) in their name in the temple of tax payer funded stay-deims.

Giants and daughters of men indeed ... Joe DiMaggio and Marilyn Monroe

Romans 1:20-25 (KJV)

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

 

[John146]

Did you mean outside of Noah seeing he did find find the faith of Christ with him.

When he comes again will he find faith or no faith?

Luke 18:8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

Noah had faith, but not the kind of faith we know in Jesus Christ. Christ's faith was not available yet. Noah had no idea about the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ, but he did have faith in what God told him was going to happen to the earth, so he was obedient in building the ark.

 

[garee]

Noah had faith, but not the kind of faith we know in Jesus Christ. Christ's faith was not available yet. Noah had no idea about the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ, but he did have faith in what God told him was going to happen to the earth, so he was obedient in building the ark.

The building of the ark shows the Spirit of Christ was working in Noah to both will and do His good pleasure. .The Ark is used to represent the gospel of our salvation in that historically true parable or figure of comparison .

So I see that a little differently. It I believe boils down to "faith" as a work, the key that the gates of hell could never prevail against.

When the scripture speaks of faith it is always in reference to one exclusive faith . The faith of God that works in the believer..This is not our new faith that we have towards him but again is of him. It is not of ourselves.

Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

That faith that teaches us is in respect to the anointing Holy Spirit of God, called Christ.

While today on this side of the cross the Spirit of Christ gives us the good news and the glory that followed at the renting of the veil to show us our salvation is secure. The Spirit of faith worked in the old testament saints to also both will and do his good pleasure giving them the same confidence as us. In so much that if Christ has begun the good work of salvation in us he would finish it to the end.

Receiving the "end of your faith", even the salvation of your souls. Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:Searching what, or what "manner of time" the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;1Pe 1:9-13

I think the cerimoinal laws were used to represent the suffering of Christ before hand. Noah walked according to that faith that came from hearing God just as did Abel . His redeemed blood shows us new spirit life was given and serves as witness he had the Spirit of Christ in Him. Possibly the first witness of the same spirit of faith according as it is written as any believer.

I think we could say it has gotten easier to understand the gospel as God revealed more and more but not without them.

Luke 11:51 From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation.

Hebrews 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things that that of Abel.

 

[Denadii]

Hello brethren,
I am so often very confused when it comes to this subject....I had believed the Sons of God were the angels that had fallen and thus were involved with the women of men. Some i have heard say this is ridiculous and that it was the lineage of Seth and the women were of the lineage of Cain and that intermingling brought about the flood of Noah. However why then the distinction of the offspring, such as being called Nephilim, GEN:6-4 also why were they giants again Gen:6-4, and Num:13-33 here they are discribing them as such giants that the Israelites feel like grasshoppers...??? So again i am left to believe that the "sons of God" were indeed angels for if it was the lineage intermingling we have had that all along before and after Noah, and really at this point i do not see how that would produce such giants....so if anyone can show me in scripture that my interpetation is wrong i would appreciate it. Thank you brethren for your time and consideration.

[FONT=&quot]Many ask the question “Who are the sons of God in Genesis 6?”
And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. And the LORD said, My Spirit will not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days will be an hundred and twenty years. There were giants [Nephilim] in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Genesis 6:1-4[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]There have been three theories proposed to explain this Scripture.
First, the sons are the tyrant rulers of that day and the daughters are just whomever they chose. Second, the sons are the godly line of Seth (Sethites) worldly women of and the women were the the lineage of Cain (Cainites). Third, the sons were angels and the daughters were human women. In this chapter we will look at the possibilities of each theory.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Tyrant Rulers[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]The theory that godly rulers turned into tyrants was proposed by those who took their information only from the [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Ancient Book of Jasher[/FONT][FONT=&quot]. Jasher never mentions who these sons of God were, but did say: And their judges and rulers went to the daughters of men and took their wives by force from their husbands according to their choice, and the sons of men, in those days, took from the cattle of the earth the beasts of the field, and the fowls of the air, and taught the mixture of the animals of one species with another… [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Jasher 4.18[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]This is nearly identical with Genesis 6:1-4, but notice that these “rulers” also started experimenting with crossbreeding animals. Where did they get this idea and how did they successfully accomplish this? There is more to the story than to say these “rulers” were just some tyrants.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Sethites and Cainites[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]The second theory is the most popular one today. The Cainites were the first to become corrupt and warlike. The posterity of Seth stayed godly long after the Cainites formed, but eventually they also corrupted themselves.
Jewish historian Josephus mentioned the fall of the Cainites who became masters of war. Nay, even while Adam was alive, it came to pass that the posterity of Cain became exceeding wicked, every one successively dying, one after another, more wicked than the former. They were intolerable in war... [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Josephus 1.2.2[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Josephus also mentioned the fall of the Sethites. Now this posterity of Seth continued to, and to have an entire regard to virtue, towards men. But for what degree of zeal they had esteem God as the Lord of the universe for seven generations; but in process of time they were perverted, and forsook the practices of their forefathers; and did neither pay those honors to God which were appointed them, nor had they any concern to do justice formerly shown for virtue, they now showed by their actions a double degree of wickedness, whereby they made God to be their enemy. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Josephus 2.3.1 [/FONT][FONT=&quot]
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]This presents a few problems: It is unlikely that a godly peaceful group suddenly turning evil could conquer a race of master warriors, unless you reverse the text and say that the master warriors (Cainites) took over the Sethites and stole their daughters. But the text does not say the sons of men took the daughters of God. And why is it only ungodly men taking godly women? Why did no ungodly woman marry a godly man and produce a giant? We are told the children of these matches were giants, but [/FONT][FONT=&quot]inbreeding[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]causes genetic anomalies, but marrying outside of your tribe does not.

[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Angels and Humans[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]The third theory has been the standard interpretation for centuries. All the ancient rabbis and all the ancient church fathers up to about AD 300 taught the sons of God were angels and the daughters were human women. After AD 200, a movement began to grow denying the sons were angels but rather were Sethites. In addition to recording the history of the Sethites and Cainites, Josephus also recorded the history of the sons of God of Genesis 6.
For many angels of God accompanied with women, and begot sons that proved unjust, and despisers of all that was good, on account of the confidence they had in their own strength; for the tradition is, that these men did what resembled the acts of those whom the Grecians call giants or Titans.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Josephus Ant. 1.3.1 [/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Later Josephus mentioned the biblical Amorite giants around Hebron. In Hebron there were till then left the race of giants, who had
bodies so large, and countenances so entirely different from other men, that
they were surprising to the sight, and terrible to the hearing. The bones of these men are still shown to this very day. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Josephus Ant. 5.2.3[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Ancient church fathers who taught the sons of God were angels included: Athinogorius, Clement of Alexandria, Titian, Irenaeus, Tertullian, Myetus of Philippi, Philix, Ambrose of Milan, and Origen.
Church fathers who taught the sons of God were Sethites included: Theodoran, Jerome, Julius Africanus, Chrysostom, John Calvin, and Martin Luther.[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]
If we look carefully at the New Testament we see that Jude quotes from the Book of Enoch (Jude 1:6), which gives an almost complete story of the descent of the two hundred sons of God. Notice that Jude states that God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because they committed the same sin as the angels, going after “strange flesh.” And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Jude[/FONT][FONT=&quot] 1:6-7 [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Those sons of God who
says they are imprisoned in hell (KJV). In the Greek, the word for hell is [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Tartarus[/FONT][FONT=&quot], also referred to as the bottomless pit in; And spared not the went after strange flesh are chained under darkness, according to Jude. Peter old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an en sample unto those that after should live ungodly; 2 Peter2:4-6Scripture refers to angels as “sons of God” and “stars” in Job 1:6; 2:1;38:7; Deuteronomy 4:19; Isaiah14:13; Revelation 12: Revelation. Peter says their fall occurred before the Flood. For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]down to hell [Tartarus], and delivered [/FONT][FONT=&quot]them [/FONT][FONT=&quot]into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment4; 12:9;Genesis 22:17[/FONT]
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[CaptainGoat]

From what I understand is that pre flood giants were extremely tall but post flood giants were tall but only slightly taller then today's tallest people. (About 9-14 ft). Many giant skeletons have been found right round the earth. Notably a good few thousand in the USA... (I hear there is a recent court case to determine why after many archeological digs the bones were destroyed?) Interesting are the eye witness accounts of tall tribes in North America when the Spanish first invaded. It was said that some in the tribes of tall people were able to lift a ton in weight. One can imagine how great structures were made!
They also noted a tribe of dwarf people. Similar tribes were discovered in other remote places around the earth but unfortunately many were slaughtered when lands were conquered. (It is not for us to judge but God knows the past and what was His will and what was not).
Now some of the shorter giants found had double rows of teeth and some had mis-shaped skulls. The ones found in graves in the USA... When they asked the Red Indian tribes (The early digs took place in the 1800's) they said the graves were there when their forefathers came to the USA.
Occasionally a large giant skeleton is dug up somewhere in the world. While we may get the odd hoax, most are genuine. What is weird is why after many such digs are bones destroyed by authorities? The UK ones disappeared yet you will find record of them in old books. Some areas of the UK even bear street names after giants.
The closest I ever came to one was more a very tall human. Now I have cousins who are tall and skinny with size 17 or larger feet. One has to sleep with his feet outside of his bed. But while I worked in chargenof a bicycle department in a sports store, a man came in who had to duck to get into the store. I am about 5'9" and if I jumped high I could just reach the top of the door of the retail store. The mans shoulders were a tad higher then this!
He wanted a bike and due to a manufacturers error I actually had two bikes of the same model and colour that fit him! What had happened was the first generation mountainbikes had level top tubes (Crossbar) with large frames like the old road bikes, and the first of the dropped framed types of mountain bikes in the early 1990's had large sizes until they had sorted things. Now one manufacturer whose bikes I sold (Around 1996 though were 1995 models) had the dropped tube modern frames but were made to older sizes. Now new sizes I would need an 18" frame or 16" for some bikes if in competition events, and these two bikes had 23" frames, hence we couldn't find customers for them!
The bikes came down and down in price... I had them at the top layer at the back of the bike racks and needed the step ladder to get them down. He tried one and it was perfect for him but he didn't like the colour. He asked where he could get a bike. I said either via a frame builder but would be expensive, or buy one of these and paint it as nothing else is that big. He put the bike back for me which involved reaching over the other bikes of a second tiered bike rack which I normally had to remove to get at the back ones with a step ladder... (I was greatful he did that!). He left the store.
Later someone bought one of the bikes with this weekend staff colleague so I'm guessing he came back.

 

[Denadii]

From what I understand is that pre flood giants were extremely tall but post flood giants were tall but only slightly taller then today's tallest people. (About 9-14 ft). Many giant skeletons have been found right round the earth. Notably a good few thousand in the USA... (I hear there is a recent court case to determine why after many archeological digs the bones were destroyed?) Interesting are the eye witness accounts of tall tribes in North America when the Spanish first invaded. It was said that some in the tribes of tall people were able to lift a ton in weight. One can imagine how great structures were made!
They also noted a tribe of dwarf people. Similar tribes were discovered in other remote places around the earth but unfortunately many were slaughtered when lands were conquered. (It is not for us to judge but God knows the past and what was His will and what was not).
Now some of the shorter giants found had double rows of teeth and some had mis-shaped skulls. The ones found in graves in the USA... When they asked the Red Indian tribes (The early digs took place in the 1800's) they said the graves were there when their forefathers came to the USA.
Occasionally a large giant skeleton is dug up somewhere in the world. While we may get the odd hoax, most are genuine. What is weird is why after many such digs are bones destroyed by authorities? The UK ones disappeared yet you will find record of them in old books. Some areas of the UK even bear street names after giants.
The closest I ever came to one was more a very tall human. Now I have cousins who are tall and skinny with size 17 or larger feet. One has to sleep with his feet outside of his bed. But while I worked in chargenof a bicycle department in a sports store, a man came in who had to duck to get into the store. I am about 5'9" and if I jumped high I could just reach the top of the door of the retail store. The mans shoulders were a tad higher then this!
He wanted a bike and due to a manufacturers error I actually had two bikes of the same model and colour that fit him! What had happened was the first generation mountainbikes had level top tubes (Crossbar) with large frames like the old road bikes, and the first of the dropped framed types of mountain bikes in the early 1990's had large sizes until they had sorted things. Now one manufacturer whose bikes I sold (Around 1996 though were 1995 models) had the dropped tube modern frames but were made to older sizes. Now new sizes I would need an 18" frame or 16" for some bikes if in competition events, and these two bikes had 23" frames, hence we couldn't find customers for them!
The bikes came down and down in price... I had them at the top layer at the back of the bike racks and needed the step ladder to get them down. He tried one and it was perfect for him but he didn't like the colour. He asked where he could get a bike. I said either via a frame builder but would be expensive, or buy one of these and paint it as nothing else is that big. He put the bike back for me which involved reaching over the other bikes of a second tiered bike rack which I normally had to remove to get at the back ones with a step ladder... (I was greatful he did that!). He left the store.
Later someone bought one of the bikes with this weekend staff colleague so I'm guessing he came back.

You didn't quote your source but I wonder how they would have classified a race of giants existing today, with an average height of seventeen to twenty feet tall? And entire city full of them... Japanese and American soldiers encountered them during the second world war. In Wyoming there are people, called the Nimerigar who stand two feet tall. and in the Superstition Mountains of Arizona little people, aparently a different tribe?, called the Tuar- Tums living underground there.