Who Made Official, December 25th As The Birthday Of Jesus Christ?

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Blackpowderduelist said:
I read it, and it does. So I have no discussion with those who are dishonest. I thank you to repent of dishonesty or never speak to me again.
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Such a wonderful supportive Christian you are, Are you proud of how you reflect the Lord?

The Jews have added a lot of rites into the celebration of the feasts, you didn't want to discuss this or have anything but simple answers, and my answer to that was correct, you say it is lying. Why? What id you gain by being unchristian?

Your responses are those of a person uninterested in learning about scripture, do they reflect your intent?
 
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Truth7t7 said:
It is stated very clear, read it again and again (This Do In Remembrance Of Me)

You can do as you please, but dont put the name of Jesus Christ on it, and call it biblical :)

Jesus Christ gave a direct instruction to the Church on how to "Remember" him

Not His Birth, Not His Resurrection, But His "Death", Its That Simple :)

Jesus Christ gave a clear directive to the Church

(This Do In Remembrance Of Me)

1 Corinthians 11:23-26KJV
23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
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it is not a command. Paul was very clear when the words he said: "as often as you eat", I think Paul better understood the Lord's Supper far more than you and I. You are just trying to be condemning to the Lord's Supper and legalistic. You have not resurrection without HIS birth.
Angel worshiped, Wise men, came from afar and gave gifts and worshiped the Angel announced His Birth. You are wrong.

If you don't want to honor the Birth of our Lord you don't have to. But the Word of God doesn't teach the Lord's Supper is the only thing to remember or honoring Jesus' birth is unpraised worthy.
 
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CS1 said:
it is not a command. Paul was very clear when the words he said: "as often as you eat", I think Paul better understood the Lord's Supper far more than you and I. You are just trying to be condemning to the Lord's Supper and legalistic. You have not resurrection without HIS birth.
Angel worshiped, Wise men, came from afar and gave gifts and worshiped the Angel announced His Birth. You are wrong.

If you don't want to honor the Birth of our Lord you don't have to. But the Word of God doesn't teach the Lord's Supper is the only thing to remember or honoring Jesus' birth is unpraised worthy.
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Your claim of myself condemning the Lords super and being legalistic is your "False" opinion, Gods truth is presented below

Jesus Christ gave a direct instruction to the Church on how to "Remember" him

Not His Birth, Not His Resurrection, But His "Death", Its That Simple :)

Jesus Christ gave a clear directive to the Church

(This Do In Remembrance Of Me)

1 Corinthians 11:23-26KJV
23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
 
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Truth7t7 said:
Your claim of myself condemning the Lords super and being legalistic is your "False" opinion, Gods truth is presented below

Jesus Christ gave a direct instruction to the Church on how to "Remember" him

Not His Birth, Not His Resurrection, But His "Death", Its That Simple :)

Jesus Christ gave a clear directive to the Church

(This Do In Remembrance Of Me)

1 Corinthians 11:23-26KJV
23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
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1 Corinthians 11:23-26KJV
23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
 
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Truth7t7 said:
Your claim of myself condemning the Lords super and being legalistic is your "False" opinion, Gods truth is presented below

Jesus Christ gave a direct instruction to the Church on how to "Remember" him

Not His Birth, Not His Resurrection, But His "Death", Its That Simple :)

Jesus Christ gave a clear directive to the Church

(This Do In Remembrance Of Me)

1 Corinthians 11:23-26KJV
23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
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CS1 said:
it is not a command. Paul was very clear when the words he said: "as often as you eat", I think Paul better understood the Lord's Supper far more than you and I. You are just trying to be condemning to the Lord's Supper and legalistic. You have not resurrection without HIS birth.
Angel worshiped, Wise men, came from afar and gave gifts and worshiped the Angel announced His Birth. You are wrong.

If you don't want to honor the Birth of our Lord you don't have to. But the Word of God doesn't teach the Lord's Supper is the only thing to remember or honoring Jesus' birth is unpraised worthy.
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I agree. I don't think that Lord condemns the celebration of His birth even if that celebration hasn't been suggested by the Lord.

However, I do think that when we love the Lord we want to follow all the Lord tells us, we want to obey his every suggestion much more than we want to live as our flesh asks us to.
 
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Blik said:
Such a wonderful supportive Christian you are, Are you proud of how you reflect the Lord?

The Jews have added a lot of rites into the celebration of the feasts, you didn't want to discuss this or have anything but simple answers, and my answer to that was correct, you say it is lying. Why? What id you gain by being unchristian?

Your responses are those of a person uninterested in learning about scripture, do they reflect your intent?
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It's not Christian to support dishonesty.
Your responses are dishonest .

I don't care what Jews added, I care what scripture says.
I'm asking questions. You choose to be dishonest. Good bye
 
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Blik said:
I agree. I don't think that Lord condemns the celebration of His birth even if that celebration hasn't been suggested by the Lord.

However, I do think that when we love the Lord we want to follow all the Lord tells us, we want to obey his every suggestion much more than we want to live as our flesh asks us to.
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obeying is what we are to do AMEN, HOWEVER, MAN HAVE HAS THE BAD HABIT OF telling others what they are to obey and not God.
 
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Blackpowderduelist said:
It's not Christian to support dishonesty.
Your responses are dishonest .

I don't care what Jews added, I care what scripture says.
I'm asking questions. You choose to be dishonest. Good bye
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It is not Christian to accuse. It is not Christian to slander. The chapter I gave you because you are too lazy to study on your own does not tell the full story of the feasts, I said it did not and that is the truth.

Now it is like the kettle calling the pot black, I am accusing you of being lazy! Are you? Why are you asking me to give you answers that you need to look up for yourself? I only report what I have found in scripture, it is up to you to do your own studying, it is not up to me.

You accuse me of being a liar, and I didn''t lie. I accuse you of being lazy, and I think you have proven that you are. We are both disobeying the lord.
 
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Blik said:
It is not Christian to accuse. It is not Christian to slander. The chapter I gave you because you are too lazy to study on your own does not tell the full story of the feasts, I said it did not and that is the truth.

Now it is like the kettle calling the pot black, I am accusing you of being lazy! Are you? Why are you asking me to give you answers that you need to look up for yourself? I only report what I have found in scripture, it is up to you to do your own studying, it is not up to me.

You accuse me of being a liar, and I didn''t lie. I accuse you of being lazy, and I think you have proven that you are. We are both disobeying the lord.
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Those laws given in Leviticus are specific directions for the observation of those feasts.
I have read in Ezra about how they found the law and re-established the feast days.
And so on and so fourth. There is no other instruction for those feast days.
 
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^ Here's what Colossians 2 has to say regarding them (said to/for/about "the Church which is His body" / us):

16 Therefore let no one judge you in regard to food, or in regard to drink, or in regard to a feast, or a New Moon, or Sabbaths, 17 which [PLURAL] ARE [PRESENT indicative] A SHADOW [SINGULAR] THE THINGS COMING [PLURAL]. But the body is of the Christ."


...which passage I believe is making that point that we/the Church which is His body are not obligated to keep/observe the feasts, Sabbaths, etc (but that these indeed ARE [PRESENT indicative] "A SHADOW [SINGULAR]" of the things coming, yet future [even"future" to US])... They were given for someone else "TO PROCLAIM"... (per Lev23:1-2)... and still have fulfillments yet future (that will yet be important for "Israel" to take note of [FOLLOWING "our Rapture / THE Departure"... i.e. when they are in the Trib yrs ("IN their affliction" Hos5:14-6:3)]..., as I understand it)
 
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TheDivineWatermark said:
^ Here's what Colossians 2 has to say regarding them (said to/for/about "the Church which is His body" / us):

16 Therefore let no one judge you in regard to food, or in regard to drink, or in regard to a feast, or a New Moon, or Sabbaths, 17 which [PLURAL] ARE [PRESENT indicative] A SHADOW [SINGULAR] THE THINGS COMING [PLURAL]. But the body is of the Christ."


...which passage I believe is making that point that we/the Church which is His body are not obligated to keep/observe the feasts, Sabbaths, etc (but that these indeed ARE [PRESENT indicative] "A SHADOW [SINGULAR]" of the things coming, yet future [even"future" to US])... They were given for someone else "TO PROCLAIM"... (per Lev23:1-2)... and still have fulfillments yet future (that will yet be important for "Israel" to take note of [FOLLOWING "our Rapture / THE Departure"... i.e. when they are in the Trib yrs ("IN their affliction" Hos5:14-6:3)]..., as I understand it)
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The heathens of that time worshipped the sun and the seasons. There were spring festivals and winter solstice. Also there was a false idea that all worship must be spiritual, that God was not present in anything of the earth, so they were not to feast in celebration of the Lord. Paul is speaking against these ideas in Colossians 2, and we have changed it to say Paul was speaking against scripture telling us to celebrate salvation with feasts.
 
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^ The text states, "which are a shadow the things coming" (what would that mean, in the other context you are suggesting?)




This phrase... "the things coming"... is not the only place this is mentioned in Scripture...
 
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The heathens of that time worshipped the sun and the seasons. There were spring festivals and winter solstice. Also there was a false idea that all worship must be spiritual, that God was not present in anything of the earth, so they were not to feast in celebration of the Lord. Paul is speaking against these ideas in Colossians 2, and we have changed it to say Paul was speaking against scripture telling us to celebrate salvation with feasts.
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Why don't you give us an example of how you would celebrate anyone of those feasts listed in Leviticus 23.
I don't know how we could being that the primary elements of the celebration prescribed, such as the temple, the priests, the alter, and such are GONE, and Jesus was the sacrifice so making animal sacrifices is to trample under foot the blood of Christ.
 
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Example:

Lk22 - [see also v.30 as compared with Matt19:28 (<--and comp. THAT verse with Matt25:31-34 for its "TIMING")]

"15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer: 16 For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God. 17 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves: 18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come." [<--COMP. Matt26:29 "UNTIL *that day* when I drink it NEW with [G3326 - accompanying] you..."]
 
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Blik said:
I only report what I have found in scripture, it is up to you to do your own studying, it is not up to me.
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I have shown you things that you have reported that are not in Scripture, even at your own invitation to do so, and you have refused to acknowledge them. That you continue to misrepresent your own findings is quite dishonest. For instance, saying Adam and Eve ate an apple from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil; you have repeated that one so many times it would be difficult to count, and it is not Biblical or based on Scripture at all. You have also said good cannot exist without evil, and that is not a Biblical concept either, and in fact, contradicts the idea of God being eternally Self-existent and good, Who alone has immortality. Your belief promotes God not being able to exist unless another eternally self existent evil being co-exists with Him.
 
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Blackpowderduelist said:
Why don't you give us an example of how you would celebrate anyone of those feasts listed in Leviticus 23.
I don't know how we could being that the primary elements of the celebration prescribed, such as the temple, the priests, the alter, and such are GONE, and Jesus was the sacrifice so making animal sacrifices is to trample under foot the blood of Christ.
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The temple,, the priests, the alter, all of the old testament is a shadow of the new testament. They were not destroyed, they were fulfilled. We are the temple, Christ is the high priest, all is fulfilled.

A feast is made up of celebrating with food. A celebration is a praise of what it is celebrating. The feasts are celebrating salvation. Just as the law was first written in stone, and is now written in our hearts. Christ fulfilled. We are to celebrate Christ and the salvation that Christ brings us, it is not a celebration of an earthly structure or the shadow of Christ. It is a celebration of the reality of Christ. We are under the new covenant.
 
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