Who or what is the third horseman in Revelations?

[Blain]

Happy thanks giving everyone! I am asking for help understanding the third horsemen of revelations the black rider, I am asking because last night I had a very profound dream and I know that dreams and visions are not exactly encouraged here in cc but I think this one may be important.

In my dream everyone was talking about the rapture and about the end times much like we all do here in the bdf then suddenly I saw these words appear THE THIRD IS COMING all caps like this except it had a long bold line under it as if to add emphasis. The only thing I can possibly think of the third coming is the third horsemen of revelations, all I know is that this horsemen brought famine and I have heard some say it is the Antichrist or Obama but this is just speculation.

Regardless of this dream was prophetic or not I actually want to do some research on this horsemen and discuss the four horsemens who they might be what they all do and if they are literal figures or just symbolic figures. Like for instance there is the horsemen but do the actual horses they are riding have meaning? Like what is the symbolic meaning in the bible of riding a horse?

 

[valiant]

Happy thanks giving everyone! I am asking for help understanding the third horsemen of revelations the black rider, I am asking because last night I had a very profound dream and I know that dreams and visions are not exactly encouraged here in cc but I think this one may be important.

In my dream everyone was talking about the rapture and about the end times much like we all do here in the bdf then suddenly I saw these words appear THE THIRD IS COMING all caps like this except it had a long bold line under it as if to add emphasis. The only thing I can possibly think of the third coming is the third horsemen of revelations, all I know is that this horsemen brought famine and I have heard some say it is the Antichrist or Obama but this is just speculation.

Regardless of this dream was prophetic or not I actually want to do some research on this horsemen and discuss the four horsemens who they might be what they all do and if they are literal figures or just symbolic figures. Like for instance there is the horsemen but do the actual horses they are riding have meaning? Like what is the symbolic meaning in the bible of riding a horse?

The four horsemen represent the fulfilling of Jesus' words in Matth24, the initial signs which will lead up to the destruction of the Temple, which will continue on through the ages.

The white horseman represents false Messiahs and false religion. The red horseman represents wars and rumours of wars. The black horseman represents famine. The pale horseman represents a multiplicity of catastrophes. Together they sum up history. The fifth seal represents the persecuted saints, as in the Matthean discourse. The sixth seal brings in the second coming.

 

[Blain]

The four horsemen represent the fulfilling of Jesus' words in Matth24, the initial signs which will lead up to the destruction of the Temple, which will continue on through the ages.

The white horseman represents false Messiahs and false religion. The red horseman represents wars and rumours of wars. The black horseman represents famine. The pale horseman represents a multiplicity of catastrophes. Together they sum up history. The fifth seal represents the persecuted saints, as in the Matthean discourse. The sixth seal brings in the second coming.

So then if what your saying is true then the white horsemen and the red one have already come right?

 

[valiant]

So then if what your saying is true then the white horsemen and the red one have already come right?

yes although they have also continued to come through the centuries as false religion has succeeded to false religion, and war has succeeded to war.

The purpose of the seals is in order to show that Jesus Christ is in control of history terrible though it is

 

[Ahwatukee]

Happy thanks giving everyone! I am asking for help understanding the third horsemen of revelations the black rider, I am asking because last night I had a very profound dream and I know that dreams and visions are not exactly encouraged here in cc but I think this one may be important.

In my dream everyone was talking about the rapture and about the end times much like we all do here in the bdf then suddenly I saw these words appear THE THIRD IS COMING all caps like this except it had a long bold line under it as if to add emphasis. The only thing I can possibly think of the third coming is the third horsemen of revelations, all I know is that this horsemen brought famine and I have heard some say it is the Antichrist or Obama but this is just speculation.

Regardless of this dream was prophetic or not I actually want to do some research on this horsemen and discuss the four horsemens who they might be what they all do and if they are literal figures or just symbolic figures. Like for instance there is the horsemen but do the actual horses they are riding have meaning? Like what is the symbolic meaning in the bible of riding a horse?

Good day Blain!

The third seal rider on the black horse does in deed represent literal famine. However, you can't have the third seal rider appearing before the first seal is opened, which is represents the emergence of the antichrist. He is a counterfeit of the rider on the white horse of Rev.19:11-21. We have to understand that the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments are in chronological order and therefore, until that first seal with its rider appears, then none of the other plagues of wrath can take place. Also, Jesus said that when we begin to see these signs taking place, that would user in the last generation. Therefore, these things could not be events that are spread out throughout history, but these signs of wrath will take place in a relatively short time with the end of them being Christ's return to the earth to end the age.

Regarding this time of wrath Jesus also said that it would be time of great distress such as the world has not seen from the beginning of the world, until now and never to be equaled again. That being said, the destruction of the temple in 70 AD would hardly meet those requirements. The seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, which is the fulfillment of the day of the Lord, are meant to decimate the population of the earth (Zeph.1:1) and to dismantle all human government (Dan.2:31-45).

The first seal being opened is synonymous with when that ruler makes his seven year covenant with Israel. If I was here on the earth and saw that event take place on CNN, then I would know according to scripture that there would be approximately seven years till the Lord returns to end the age and that 3 1/2 years from the time that the covenant was made, that ruler is going to break his covenant and set up that abomination and proclaim himself to be God. Suffice to say, we have yet to see any of these events taking place. These events are the wrath of God and they will be unavoidable and they are meant to be noticed, in your face noticeable and not something that people will have to guess at like is being misinterpreted today.

In addition to the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, there is also going to be two witnesses that will be bringing their own set of plagues upon the earth starting from the beginning of the seven year covenant to the middle, which just prior to that at the sounding of the fifth trumpet, is where that beast will come up out of the Abyss and will kill them, ending their 1,260 days (3 1/2 years) of prophecy. Needless to say, we have yet to see the emergence of these two witnesses, which would also demonstrate that the time of wrath has yet to begin.

I believe that the major problem with interpreting these events that will usher in the end of the age is that, people don't understand the magnitude of these events of wrath, which will be unprecedented. That fact that people claim that they have already been going on demonstrates this. But these seals, trumpets and bowl judgments that are coming, as scripture states, will be the worst time in the history of the world and will all take place in that last generation. These events of wrath are described as taking place like that of a woman having birth pains which get closer together and more intense from plague to plague. And they will be so devastating that Jesus said that "unless those days had been shortened, no one would be left on the earth." This is also why the Lord is going to come to gather his church before his wrath begins and that because we as believer's are not appointed to suffer God's wrath.

I hope that this gives some understanding to your question.

 

[KJV1611]

Happy thanks giving everyone! I am asking for help understanding the third horsemen of revelations the black rider, I am asking because last night I had a very profound dream and I know that dreams and visions are not exactly encouraged here in cc but I think this one may be important.

In my dream everyone was talking about the rapture and about the end times much like we all do here in the bdf then suddenly I saw these words appear THE THIRD IS COMING all caps like this except it had a long bold line under it as if to add emphasis. The only thing I can possibly think of the third coming is the third horsemen of revelations, all I know is that this horsemen brought famine and I have heard some say it is the Antichrist or Obama but this is just speculation.

Regardless of this dream was prophetic or not I actually want to do some research on this horsemen and discuss the four horsemens who they might be what they all do and if they are literal figures or just symbolic figures. Like for instance there is the horsemen but do the actual horses they are riding have meaning? Like what is the symbolic meaning in the bible of riding a horse?

Apocolypse means the unveiling or revealing... it doesn't mean judgement and catastrophe. The four horses are found in Zechariah 6. In my opinion the four horses are the book of Matthew, the book of Mark, the book of Luke and the book of John. The four gospels reveal who Jesus is.

Zechariah 6
King James Version (KJV)

1 And I turned, and lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came four chariots out from between two mountains; and the mountains were mountains of brass.
2 In the first chariot were red horses; and in the second chariot black horses;
3 And in the third chariot white horses; and in the fourth chariot grisled and bay horses.
4 Then I answered and said unto the angel that talked with me, What are these, my lord?
5 And the angel answered and said unto me, These are the four spirits of the heavens, which go forth from standing before the Lord of all the earth.

 

[Stonemason]

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Who or what is the third horseman in Revelations?"


no clue. What is "Revelations"? Do you mean "Revelation"?

edit: Is "Revelations" in your book with "Matty", "Marky Mark", "Lukester" and "Johnny"? Yes, it's that important. When someone says, "Revelations", any point they might have fails from the start. They don't have a base understanding of the title and intent of the work.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Hi KJV1611,

Apocalypse means the unveiling or revealing... it doesn't mean judgement and catastrophe

You are correct regarding the definition of the word meaning unveiling or the uncovering of that which was previously veiled and what is being unveiled are the events of God's wrath, which will be carried out via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments mentioned in the book of Revelation, with the grand finale being Christ's return to the earth to end the age as seen in Rev.19:11-21. Also, the horses in Isaiah do not represent the same horses of Revelation.

 

[Ahwatukee]

"
Who or what is the third horseman in Revelations?"


no clue. What is "Revelations"? Do you mean "Revelation"?

edit: Is "Revelations" in your book with "Matty", "Marky Mark", "Lukester" and "Johnny"? Yes, it's that important. When someone says, "Revelations", any point they might have fails from the start. They don't have a base understanding of the title and intent of the work.

Stonemason, your making a mountain out of a mole hill. The fact that the rest of the title includes "third horsemen" demonstrates that he is talking about the book of "Revelation" and that he inadvertently put an "S" on the end.

 

[valiant]

You have to choose between Ahwatukees pushing everything into the end times, and the sensible interpretation that recognises that Christ (and John) were concerned for the times in which they lived. In my view it is ridiculous to suggest that all God was interested in was a few years at the end of the age. It renders half the NT meaningless, to say nothing of the OT.

Jesus was speaking of His own generation ('this generation' always meant His own generation when Jesus used the phrase).. As both Mark and Luke make clear He had in mind the destruction of Herod's Temple when He spoke of the Abomination of Desolation. And what went before had 1st century initially in mind. The seals have the same purpose. Jesus began to open them in John's time.

If you compare Matthew 24 with Luke 21 you will discover immediately what Jesus was indicating unless you use the extreme interpretations which ignore Jesus days altogether which are frankly absurd.

 

[Stonemason]

If it was inadvertent, I'd be prone to agree. He does it again in the body of his post, and it demonstrates a fundamentally flawed teaching he's received and is parroting. But then, I have the idealistic view of Revelation, not the crystal-ball, soothsaying, future-portent, send-me-your-money-or-else, pseudo-christian rapture-witches' view. So, we might not see eye to eye on the rest.

 

[Stonemason]

You have to choose between Ahwatukees pushing everything into the end times, and the sensible interpretation that recognises that Christ (and John) were concerned for the times in which they lived. In my view it is ridiculous to suggest that all God was interested in was a few years at the end of the age. It renders half the NT meaningless, to say nothing of the OT.

Jesus was speaking of His own generation ('this generation' always meant His own generation when Jesus used the phrase).. As both Mark and Luke make clear He had in mind the destruction of Herod's Temple when He spoke of the Abomination of Desolation. And what went before had 1st century initially in mind. The seals have the same purpose. Jesus began to open them in John's time.

If you compare Matthew 24 with Luke 21 you will discover immediately what Jesus was indicating unless you use the extreme interpretations which ignore Jesus days altogether which are frankly absurd.

I actually prefer this view to the "other". I'm still not on this same page, but this is the correct understanding of the message's dual-nature. How can you disagree? It says, in this first paragraph, "..the time is near", and, "must soon come to pass". Near, like... 1900 years later? no. Soon, like, "when the hen of leeds says so"? no. It's a message for introspection, for evaluation and correction of peoples' hearts, minds and souls, not as a bunch of tarot cards symbols, which is so offensive.

 

[eternallife7]

I'm not done studying the book, but I do want to point out something for us all to consider. Even before Christ came to earth to die on the cross there were wars and some were even more brutal than we have seen. Babies were dashed on rocks and such, yet there was still peace on the earth. I think that when God takes peace from the earth it is going to be like something the world has never seen before.

 

[Stonemason]

I got so involved I neglected to discuss the third horse. I apologize.

It is litigiousness. It is the concept in our minds we're going to get some "justice" in courts, often presided over, or at least witnessed, by unbelievers. It's the feeling any on earth, all sinners, can pass any judgement "more right" or "more important" than God's. In fact, more deeply, the third horse represents the need to have "wrongs righted" on this earth at all, when the "wrongs done here" are "only of here", and thusly losing sight of faith in God's plan by being angry over what will only amount to perceived slights, not eternal ones.

 

[Dan58]

Regardless of this dream was prophetic or not I actually want to do some research on this horsemen and discuss the four horsemens who they might be what they all do and if they are literal figures or just symbolic figures. Like for instance there is the horsemen but do the actual horses they are riding have meaning? Like what is the symbolic meaning in the bible of riding a horse?

The 4 horsemen are symbolic of actual events. In Revelation 6 the first seal or white horse represents the anti-Christ, the red horse (2nd seal) represents war, the third seal with the black horse represents starvation, and the forth pale horse is death. Jesus also mentions these seals in Mark 13:6-8. Imo, all these seals are not in order, but are listed in order of importance. And all the seals are opened before the first trump sounds.

 

[Miri]

Hi Blain, just a thought, there are a lots of "thirds" in the bible, here a just a
few but there are many more. Many can also be found in the book of Revelations.

Ezekiel 10:14 NKJV
[14] Each one had four faces: the first face was the face of a cherub, the second
face the face of a man, the third the face of a lion, and the fourth the face of an
eagle.


Zechariah 13:8-9 NKJV
[8] And it shall come to pass in all the land," Says the LORD, "That two-thirds in
it shall be cut off and die, But one-third shall be left in it: [9] I will bring the
one-third through the fire, Will refine them as silver is refined, And test them
as gold is tested. They will call on My name, And I will answer them.
I will say, 'This is My people'; And each one will say, 'The LORD is my God.'"


1 Corinthians 12:28 NKJV
[28] And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets,
third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations,
varieties of tongues.





Revelation 4:7 NKJV
[7] The first living creature was like a lion, the second living creature like a calf,
the third living creature had a face like a man, and the fourth living creature was
like a flying eagle.


Revelation 6:5 NKJV
[5] When He opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come
and see." So I looked, and behold, a black horse, and he who sat on it had a pair
of scales in his hand.



Revelation 8:11 NKJV
[11] The name of the star is Wormwood. A third of the waters became wormwood,
and many men died from the water, because it was made bitter.

Revelation 12:4 NKJV
[4] His tail drew a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the
dragon stood before the woman who was ready to give birth, to devour her Child as
soon as it was born.

 

[Ahwatukee]

The 4 horsemen are symbolic of actual events. In Revelation 6 the first seal or white horse represents the anti-Christ, the red horse (2nd seal) represents war, the third seal with the black horse represents starvation, and the forth pale horse is death. Jesus also mentions these seals in Mark 13:6-8. Imo, all these seals are not in order, but are listed in order of importance. And all the seals are opened before the first trump sounds.

Hello Dan58,

I agree with everything you said except "all these seals are not in order." A scroll with seals is set up so that each seal must be opened in their assigned order. In other words, in breaking a seal you can't jump right to the third seal unless the second seal has been opened first and so on. Also, it would make no sense to label the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments numerically one through seven, if they did not take place in those orders. Since they all appear in order one through seven, the burden of proof falls to the one who takes them out of the order that they appear in.

 

[Magenta]

Like what is the symbolic meaning in the bible of riding a horse?

Physical horses may represent human strength ("in the flesh"), which is no match for God's. The symbolic meaning in Scripture of a spiritual horse is a going to war against the enemy. See, your king comes to you, righteous and victorious, lowly and riding on a donkey, on a colt, the foal of a donkey. (Zech 9:9) Jesus was prophesied to come on the colt of a donkey the first time, but for His second coming, He will be riding a horse. He will be waging war against all who continue to oppose Him and His rightful reign of the earth.

 

[Ahwatukee]

I got so involved I neglected to discuss the third horse. I apologize.

It is litigiousness. It is the concept in our minds we're going to get some "justice" in courts, often presided over, or at least witnessed, by unbelievers. It's the feeling any on earth, all sinners, can pass any judgement "more right" or "more important" than God's. In fact, more deeply, the third horse represents the need to have "wrongs righted" on this earth at all, when the "wrongs done here" are "only of here", and thusly losing sight of faith in God's plan by being angry over what will only amount to perceived slights, not eternal ones.

"Then the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, “Come!” I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, “Two pounds of wheat for a day’s wages, and six pounds of barley for a day’s wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!”

That scales mentioned symbolizes the precise weighing of food when there is a shortage. That this third seal rider is representing famine is further demonstrated by the saying "Two pounds of wheat for a day’s wages, and six pounds of barley for a day’s wages," which demonstrates a little bit of food for a lot of money.

The third seal rider on the black horse represents famine.

 

[Ahwatukee]

I'm not done studying the book, but I do want to point out something for us all to consider. Even before Christ came to earth to die on the cross there were wars and some were even more brutal than we have seen. Babies were dashed on rocks and such, yet there was still peace on the earth. I think that when God takes peace from the earth it is going to be like something the world has never seen before.

With that thinking you are definitely on the right track