Who should you pray to the Father or Jesus?

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This is a question that has been bugging me a while if we are supposed to as commanded "have no other Gods before Thee" then is praying to Christ a heresy or should we pray to the Father through Jesus name there is quite a difference!
Jesus prayed to the Father many times while on earth and so I would have to say pray to the Father alone but in Jesus name. Yet you hear many people praying to Jesus for deliverance rather than the father himself. A lot of this seems innocent enough yet If Jesus himself prayed to the father shouldn't we?
 
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This is a question that has been bugging me a while if we are supposed to as commanded "have no other Gods before Thee" then is praying to Christ a heresy or should we pray to the Father through Jesus name there is quite a difference!
Jesus prayed to the Father many times while on earth and so I would have to say pray to the Father alone but in Jesus name. Yet you hear many people praying to Jesus for deliverance rather than the father himself. A lot of this seems innocent enough yet If Jesus himself prayed to the father shouldn't we?
I believe that Jesus is God in flesh, so I believe when you pray to Jesus, you are praying to God. I normally address God as “Father.”
 
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I believe that Jesus is God in flesh, so I believe when you pray to Jesus, you are praying to God. I normally address God as “Father.”
You see that is always where this topic goes straight to the trinitarian debate. Myself I believe in 3 seperate entities all of whom have their origin as we all do in God The father.
If Jesus was God incarnate then he wouldn't have prayed to himself in the Garden of Gethsemanne nor would he have taught us the sinners prayer in such a fashion as He did.Our Father who art in heaven hallowed be thy name.
As well when he was baptised by John The Baptist the voice that came from heaven was not his own but his fathers and the holy spirit that came down from heaven and rested upon him was the Holy Spirit as in of the Father or the fathers holy spirit.

Selah
 
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You see that is always where this topic goes straight to the trinitarian debate. Myself I believe in 3 seperate entities all of whom have their origin as we all do in God The father.
If Jesus was God incarnate then he wouldn't have prayed to himself in the Garden of Gethsemanne nor would he have taught us the sinners prayer in such a fashion as He did.Our Father who art in heaven hallowed be thy name.
As well when he was baptised by John The Baptist the voice that came from heaven was not his own but his fathers and the holy spirit that came down from heaven and rested upon him was the Holy Spirit as in of the Father or the fathers holy spirit.

Selah
I think that when Jesus prayed to the Father, he was showing us how to pray.
 
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I think that when Jesus prayed to the Father, he was showing us how to pray.
If thats the case then why show us incorrectly? No I don't think so Jesus is the perfect and he wouldn't have prayed to the father in the fashion he did just as an example he did it because as the bible states Thou shalt have no other Gods before me Jesus did not come to change the law but to fulfill the prophecies spoken of him since the earliest times and to uphold the law not to change it!
 
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If thats the case then why show us incorrectly? No I don't think so Jesus is the perfect and he wouldn't have prayed to the father in the fashion he did just as an example he did it because as the bible states Thou shalt have no other Gods before me Jesus did not come to change the law but to fulfill the prophecies spoken of him since the earliest times and to uphold the law not to change it!
I can’t believe there are three Gods.
 
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If thats the case then why show us incorrectly? No I don't think so Jesus is the perfect and he wouldn't have prayed to the father in the fashion he did just as an example he did it because as the bible states Thou shalt have no other Gods before me Jesus did not come to change the law but to fulfill the prophecies spoken of him since the earliest times and to uphold the law not to change it!
I believe in one God who simultaneously is a Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, just like a man can simultaneously be a father, son, and husband.
 
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I can’t believe there are three Gods.
There aren't just one The Father but you have to give creedance to the son and the holy spirit as well.
Would you go to a foriegn country to visit the Monarchy there and not show as much respect to the prince as you do to the King and Queen?
 
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You see that is always where this topic goes straight to the trinitarian debate. Myself I believe in 3 seperate entities all of whom have their origin as we all do in God The father.
If Jesus was God incarnate then he wouldn't have prayed to himself in the Garden of Gethsemanne nor would he have taught us the sinners prayer in such a fashion as He did.Our Father who art in heaven hallowed be thy name.
As well when he was baptised by John The Baptist the voice that came from heaven was not his own but his fathers and the holy spirit that came down from heaven and rested upon him was the Holy Spirit as in of the Father or the fathers holy spirit.

Selah
And none of those instances are a problem for the Trinitarian view. Since each person of the Godhead is fully and completely God, but distinct. When he was praying in the Garden he was addressing the first person of the Trinity, and the same concept basically goes for all the other instances.
 
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Since Jesus said pray to the Father in His name i always have and
always will......my single braincell just tells me thats right. :)
 
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There aren't just one The Father but you have to give creedance to the son and the holy spirit as well.
Would you go to a foriegn country to visit the Monarchy there and not show as much respect to the prince as you do to the King and Queen?
But I believe the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are the same person, just like my dad was a father, son, and husband.
 
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Since Jesus said pray to the Father in His name i always have and
always will......my single braincell just tells me thats right. :)
Exactly thats why we should finish off a prayer with"in Jesus name I pray"

Selah
 
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Jesus prayed to God His Father and so do I pray to the same Father as Jesus had. We don’t pray to get things from God – prayer is direct communication with God. It is this communication where we receive from God and it is Spirit alone, His Spirit in you, anything else is self motivation and not of God.
An intercessor, as Jesus was doesn’t pray for things for him, an intercessor intercedes for those who are lacking, such as, Father forgive them they know not what they do and Father I pray that these be one with you as I am one with you. These are things in communication not demands made to get stuff from God.

And there is not one prayer that God doesn’t answer but many self motivated prayers that don’t get answered.

Gary
 
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This is a question that has been bugging me a while if we are supposed to as commanded "have no other Gods before Thee" then is praying to Christ a heresy or should we pray to the Father through Jesus name there is quite a difference!
Jesus prayed to the Father many times while on earth and so I would have to say pray to the Father alone but in Jesus name. Yet you hear many people praying to Jesus for deliverance rather than the father himself. A lot of this seems innocent enough yet If Jesus himself prayed to the father shouldn't we?
We should pray to the Father, through the Son (in the name of the Son), and in the Holy Spirit. We can also pray to Jesus the Son and to the Holy Spirit.
We can pray in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, to the Father, to the Son, and to the Spirit.
 
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Well as it says in the bible Jesus is our great intercessor and redeemer so if he is the intercessor, reason would state that one would have to pray only to God through him. Re. I am the way the truth and the light none shall come unto the father but by me in saying this the implications are that we should only pray to God via Jesus as this is the only way to salvation coupled with faith and good works so as to have grace bestowed upon us as recompence for keeping faith and good works while in the flesh.

Catholics and Orthodoxy answer this please. If as stated above is the truth then are prayers to saints therefore an incorrect form of worship?
This is not meant to be argumentative in any way but I am looking for substantiation of the Catholics and Orthodox views in scripture pertaining explicitly to prayer and cannot find any in my KJV to support this.

Perhaps some of my learned colleagues of the Orthodox persuasion may be able to help me!
 
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Let us see what Jesus said concerning who to pray to Jesus or the Father.

23And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you. 24Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.
25These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father.
26At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:
27For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.
28I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.
29His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and speakest no proverb.
30Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou camest forth from God(John 16:23-30).


Jesus said when He ascends to heaven to not ask Him anything,but only ask the Father in His name.
Jesus said when He ascends to heaven that He will not to the Father for the saints,but the Father loves them and the ask the Father.
While on earth the disciples asked Jesus to pray for them,and dealt with Jesus to go to the Father for them,which Jesus told them no man comes unto the Father but by Me,so they dealt with Jesus to go to the Father.
But when Jesus ascended,His work being done on earth to go to the Father for the saints,Jesus would not pray to the Father for them,but they go directly to the Father.
Jesus said one day He would show them plainly of the Father,and that He came from the Father and goes back to the Father,then the disciples understood that He is God in a bodily manifestation.


We pray only to the Father in Jesus' name.


13And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it(John 14:13-14).


Jesus said when He ascends to heaven ask in His name,and Jesus will do it.


Some people do not know this but Jesus is actually the Father's name,and the Son inherited that name from the Father.
Jesus is fully God and fully man,so Jesus is the name of the Father and the Son,the man Christ Jesus.
Jesus is the name that is above all names,not only in this world but in the world to come.
Jesus is above the name Jehovah but it includes Jehovah.
King Solomon said that the heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain God,so how can a temple contain God,and God said My name will be there.
God's name represents His character and attributes.
The name Jehovah was not known until God delivered the Jews from Egypt,which represents physical deliverance,physical salvation.God then used compound names of Jehovah to identify each attribute of Himself to Israel.

The name Jesus could not be known until the time was come for Jesus to be conceived in Mary's womb,which represents spiritual deliverance,spiritual salvation.


12His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself(Revelation 19:12).

Jesus is God's name that is above Jehovah but includes Jehovah,for the name Jehovah was not identifying God's supreme name,but a name used for the purpose to identify physical salvation for the Jews,and Jesus is the name of God to identify spiritual salvation to the world,but Jesus would not be God's supreme name because that name only represents spiritual blessings to mankind,and does not reveal all the attributes of God to mankind.


6For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace(Isaiah 9:6).


The Son shall be called The everlasting Father.

6Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I(Isaiah 52:6).

The Father said one day He would reveal His new name to them and speak to them,which Jesus said if you have Me then you have seen the Father,and it is the Father in Me,He does the works.

4Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell(Proverbs 30:4).

God will one day reveal a new name,that will be the name of both the Father and Son.
Jesus is God manifest in the flesh,fully God and fully man,so it is the name of both God and the Son,the man Christ Jesus.

43I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive(John 5:43).

6I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word(John 17:6).

26And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them(John 17:26).

Jesus came in His Father's name,for Jesus is the name of the Father.

4Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they(Hebrews 1:4).

Jesus is the name of the Father and the Son inherited that name from the Father.

Jesus is the name of the Father,and we only pray to the Father in Jesus' name,and we do not ask the Son for anything.

26But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you(John 14:26).

The Holy Spirit comes in the name of Jesus.

Jesus is the name of the Father,Son,and Holy Ghost.
 

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John 20:27-29
New King James Version (NKJV)

27 Then He said to Thomas, “Reach your finger here, and look at My hands; and reach your hand here, and put it into My side. Do not be unbelieving, but believing.”
28 And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”
29 Jesus said to him, “Thomas,[a] because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”



Isaiah 9:6
New King James Version (NKJV)
6 For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.



John 1

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend[a] it...........................

14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.



It's in our best interest to accept all of God's word..... These scriptures are also His word..Dont try to use to much logic to work God out. But that's what He said about him self

 
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The old 3 in 1 being all the same doesn't wash with me sorry.

Three very individual entities 1 source For it says many times in the bible; He who sits on the right hand of the Father is Jesus many many many times.

As God is God he is more than capable of disseminating his spirit out from himself to accomplish any task deemed to be.

The same as your spirit is of you and capable of leaving your body either in death or by some other means.

It also states in the NT that when Jesus ascended He recieved governance over all in heaven and earth save the father himself.

He did not just take this charge but was Given it therefore there is an Authority Greater than Jesus and That is the Father himself from which all things

came! God knows Jesus is not going to rebel against him so he puts absolute authority in him and the Holy Spirit which is Gods spirit is............wel Gods

spirit so it cannot contradict the Father as it is part of Himself.
 

jandian

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Well boss, what can I say, the scriptures seem pretty clear to me.....It not flying is really between you and God.....feel free to ask Him what does the scriptures I mentioned mean? All the best...
 
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Well as it says in the bible Jesus is our great intercessor and redeemer so if he is the intercessor, reason would state that one would have to pray only to God through him. Re. I am the way the truth and the light none shall come unto the father but by me in saying this the implications are that we should only pray to God via Jesus as this is the only way to salvation coupled with faith and good works so as to have grace bestowed upon us as recompence for keeping faith and good works while in the flesh.

Catholics and Orthodoxy answer this please. If as stated above is the truth then are prayers to saints therefore an incorrect form of worship?
This is not meant to be argumentative in any way but I am looking for substantiation of the Catholics and Orthodox views in scripture pertaining explicitly to prayer and cannot find any in my KJV to support this.

Perhaps some of my learned colleagues of the Orthodox persuasion may be able to help me!
If I remember right is says Jesus is our mediator not intercessor, the Saints intercede in prayer for us in Heaven. Their are basically two viewpoints on the intercession of the Saints, the Lutheran/Anglican view which holds that we cannot ask the Saints to pray for us, but they do pray for all of us. Then theirs the Catholic/Orthodox/Oriental view which holds that we can ask the Saints to pray for us.