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God does not forgive you of sins and then judge you of the same sins he forgave you ....God forgave you that you should sin no more...by abiding in Christ and if you sin ...you confess your sin and repent his blood cleanse you from sins...if you remain(abide) in Christ, the judgement cannot condemn you....if you do not remain(abide) in him you will be judged because your sins...the wages of sin is death...salvation is in Christ...
NOW THAT IS WHERE YOU ARE TOTALLY WRONG!
His physical human body did have a beginning, BUT NOT HIS SPIRIT!
John 8:58 (HCSB)
[SUP]58 [/SUP] Jesus said to them, “I assure you: Before Abraham was, I am.”
Colossians 1:17 (ISV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] He himself existed before all things, and in him all things hold together.
John 17:24 (ISV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am and to see my glory, which you gave me because you loved me before the creation of the world.
Genesis 1:26 (HCSB)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness. They will rule the fish of the sea, the birds of the sky, the livestock, all the earth, and the creatures that crawl on the earth.”
Genesis 1:1 (HCSB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Colossians 1:16 & 18 (HCSB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For everything was created by Him, in heaven and on earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities— all things have been created through Him and for Him.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] He is also the head of the body, the church; He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He might come to have first place in everything.
John 10:30 (HCSB)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] The Father and I are one.” [Lit. "I and the Father - We are one."]
Revelation 21:27 (NRSV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] But nothing unclean will enter it, nor anyone who practices abomination or falsehood, but only those who are written in the Lamb's book of life.
Revelation 17:8 (NKJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] The beast that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit and go to perdition. And those who dwell on the earth will marvel, whose names are not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, when they see the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
Isaiah 9:6 (HCSB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] For a child will be born for us, a son will be given to us, and the government will be on His shoulders. He will be named Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.
1 John 5:20 (ISV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] We also know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding so that we may know the true God. We are in union with the one who is true, his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.
His physical human body did have a beginning, BUT NOT HIS SPIRIT!
John 8:58 (HCSB)
[SUP]58 [/SUP] Jesus said to them, “I assure you: Before Abraham was, I am.”
Colossians 1:17 (ISV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] He himself existed before all things, and in him all things hold together.
John 17:24 (ISV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am and to see my glory, which you gave me because you loved me before the creation of the world.
Genesis 1:26 (HCSB)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness. They will rule the fish of the sea, the birds of the sky, the livestock, all the earth, and the creatures that crawl on the earth.”
Genesis 1:1 (HCSB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Colossians 1:16 & 18 (HCSB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For everything was created by Him, in heaven and on earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities— all things have been created through Him and for Him.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] He is also the head of the body, the church; He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He might come to have first place in everything.
John 10:30 (HCSB)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] The Father and I are one.” [Lit. "I and the Father - We are one."]
Revelation 21:27 (NRSV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] But nothing unclean will enter it, nor anyone who practices abomination or falsehood, but only those who are written in the Lamb's book of life.
Revelation 17:8 (NKJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] The beast that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit and go to perdition. And those who dwell on the earth will marvel, whose names are not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, when they see the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
Isaiah 9:6 (HCSB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] For a child will be born for us, a son will be given to us, and the government will be on His shoulders. He will be named Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.
1 John 5:20 (ISV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] We also know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding so that we may know the true God. We are in union with the one who is true, his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.
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We are not judged by our deeds, we are judged by our hearts. The LORD ALMIGHTY judges us by looking in our hearts. Our deed have nothing to do with anything. We are made of sin, we sin in all we do, Father God knows this, he knows we are not perfect and are sinful. That is why Jesus was sent here to make himself a sacrifice for all of us "sinners" to give us the opportunity to live with him in Heaven. Without him, (Jesus) we would not have a chance to live in Heaven. That is why Jesus spoke about confession of our sins and how it sets us free. He knew that we were going to continue to sin, so he explained to us that we could confess our sins and be forgiven. Forgiving us from the "DEEDS" we have chosen to do in our life and to the people in our lives. I hope this helps you to understand about the "deeds' and its relationship to forgiveness and Jesus' ultimate sacrifice. Amen.
[h=1]Romans 2:3-7King James Version (KJV)[/h] [SUP]3 [/SUP]And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
[SUP]5 [/SUP]But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
[SUP]5 [/SUP]But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
H
The phrase , "the ONLY begotten Son" used in Jh. 1:14,18 and in Jh.3:16,18 is only used for Jesus. Jesus is the only person,the only man, ever made in the womb of a women, who was also the "ONLY" ETERNALLY "BEGOTTEN SON of the Father, full of grace and truth." v.1:14, "who is in the bosom of the Father," 1:18, and in 3:13 "No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son, of Man who is in heaven." and in 3:16 "...God...gave His ONLY begotten Son" and v.17 "For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world and in v. 18 "the ONLY begotten Son of God." And in 1Jh.4:3 "And every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. ..." The words "begotten" and "born of God", are used of every child of God; But the phrase, "the ONLY begotten son" is ONLY used of Jesus Christ. Knowing That the Person of Jesus Christ was and is the same person as the "the ONLY begotten Son of God" who "was in the beginning with God" and who, "was God", and who was the "Word" who made all things. We must conclude that the begottenNESS of the Son of God is an ETERNAL BEGOTTENNESS, not a human begottenness, as in time. Because NOTHING was ever made except by the "Word", "the ONLY begotten Son of God". Who must have been begotten by God in an eternal, unique sense of the word, "begotten not made", the ONLY one of a kind.! As a certain creed says. Love to all, Hoffco
Romans 5:5 (NKJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us. {The Holy Spirit also spiritually immersed into the spiritual Body of Christ, at that same time.}
John 14:15 (HCSB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]“If you love Me,
{At that very moment you are Saved, and that LOVE was poured into your heart by the Holy Spirit.
That LOVE will produce the following after you are Saved:}
you will keep My commands.
Sorry, I see NO Earning Salvation, it is all because of what our TRIUNE GOD has done for us.
We LOVE HIM because HE poured the LOVE of GOD into our hearts.
We Serve HIM because HE poured the LOVE of GOD into our hearts.
We Believe in HIM because HE poured the LOVE of GOD into our hearts.
We Submit to HIM as LORD, because HE poured the LOVE of GOD into our hearts.
We are SAVED because of what HE did on the Cross nearly 2000 Years Ago.
HE wrote our names in the book of life before the foundation of the World,
knowing HE would personally work out our Salvation.
HE is the ONE holding on to our Salvation, because HE knows we would lose it.
HE is the One WHO give us the ability to say NO to sin, and keeps us from stumbling.
HE provided for our short comings (sins), by accepting forgiving our Confessions.
ALL THE GLORY GOES TO HIM.
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IF IF IF IF you love me you will keep my commandments.....
we all need to learn to love....
[SUP]7 [/SUP]To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
this is how we learn to love
Corinthians 13 American Standard Version (ASV)
13 If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am become sounding brass, or a clanging cymbal.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And if I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And if I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and if I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profiteth me nothing.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Love suffereth long, and is kind; love envieth not; love vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
[SUP]5 [/SUP]doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not its own, is not provoked, taketh not account of evil;
[SUP]6 [/SUP]rejoiceth not in unrighteousness, but rejoiceth with the truth;
[SUP]7 [/SUP]beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Love never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall be done away; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall be done away.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For we know in part, and we prophesy in part;
[SUP]10 [/SUP]but when that which is perfect is come, that which is in part shall be done away.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]When I was a child, I spake as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For now we see in a mirror, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know fully even as also I was fully known.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]But now abideth faith, hope, love, these three; and the greatest of these is love.
this is how we learn to love
Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
[SUP]3 [/SUP]According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
we all need to learn to love....
[SUP]7 [/SUP]To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
this is how we learn to love
Corinthians 13 American Standard Version (ASV)
13 If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am become sounding brass, or a clanging cymbal.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And if I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And if I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and if I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profiteth me nothing.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Love suffereth long, and is kind; love envieth not; love vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
[SUP]5 [/SUP]doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not its own, is not provoked, taketh not account of evil;
[SUP]6 [/SUP]rejoiceth not in unrighteousness, but rejoiceth with the truth;
[SUP]7 [/SUP]beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Love never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall be done away; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall be done away.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For we know in part, and we prophesy in part;
[SUP]10 [/SUP]but when that which is perfect is come, that which is in part shall be done away.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]When I was a child, I spake as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For now we see in a mirror, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know fully even as also I was fully known.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]But now abideth faith, hope, love, these three; and the greatest of these is love.
this is how we learn to love
Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
[SUP]3 [/SUP]According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
The answer is quite simple. 1 Corinthians 3:7-15
7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.
9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.
10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned,---> he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved;<--- yet so as by fire.
We can clearly see that the man's work who remains will be rewarded, and the other man's work that doesn't remain will suffer loss (a lack of reward) but shall still be saved. Yes, works are important in so far as our rewards are concerned, our deeds benefit our heavenly experience. That is profound to think your actions now have an eternal effect.
Keep this in mind though, you are not saved of works but grace and though our deeds be judged, it is not for salvation but for reward within the salvation that is yours (through Jesus Christ). Though your works may be burnt up, you have peace knowing you are saved.
7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.
9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.
10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned,---> he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved;<--- yet so as by fire.
We can clearly see that the man's work who remains will be rewarded, and the other man's work that doesn't remain will suffer loss (a lack of reward) but shall still be saved. Yes, works are important in so far as our rewards are concerned, our deeds benefit our heavenly experience. That is profound to think your actions now have an eternal effect.
Keep this in mind though, you are not saved of works but grace and though our deeds be judged, it is not for salvation but for reward within the salvation that is yours (through Jesus Christ). Though your works may be burnt up, you have peace knowing you are saved.
H
The Bible is VERY clear as to the necessity of good works for salvation. The first part of salvation is sanctification begun, the radical brake from sin, to make us holy saints to do good works and LOVE GOD. The 2nd part of our salvation is forgivness, which consists of three parts: The first part of Justification is by GRACE only. The 2nd part of Justification is by faith apart from our works. BUT the third part of our Justification is by our works. This is the CLEAR teaching of JESUS and the whole New T.. Jh.3 Rom.6 Eph. 1&2 Gal. 6:7-10 etc. etc.. Love to all, Hoffco
And I would also add these:
Revelation 19:11-13 (NKJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.
Revelation 19:16 (NKJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.
Revelation 19:11-13 (NKJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.
Revelation 19:16 (NKJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.