WHY ARE PEOPLE RUNNING FROM HIS WORD?

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I have not read everybody's posts, but I would like to point out the fallacy in this statement. The absence of evidence is not evidence. However, I would like to point to a couple of verses of Scripture which appear to answer this question. (I hope I'm not twisting the meaning too much.)

Jesus, Himself, placed spiritual concerns above rituals. In Luke 6, the Story is told that, "One Sabbath Jesus was going through the grainfields, and his disciples began to pick some heads of grain, rub them in their hands and eat the kernels. Some of the Pharisees asked, 'Why are you doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?' Jesus answered them, 'Have you never read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? He entered the house of God, and taking the consecrated bread, he ate what is lawful only for priests to eat. And he also gave some to his companions.' Then Jesus said to them, “'The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.'”

Second, in his speech to the Council at Jerusalem (Acts 15), which had been convened to consider whether Gentile believers should follow Jewish law, the Apostle, Peter said, “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.” (v. 6-11)

Finally, the Apostle, Paul tells us, "There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus." And, "Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. Because of what law? The law that requires works? No, because of the law that requires faith. For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law." (Romans 3:22-24 & 26-28)

These would seem to present a pretty tight case that believers are not required to observe the feasts. If anyone chooses to do so out of reverence for God, God bless them, but I don't see how we can arrive at the conclusion that we have to.
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So basically what you're saying is that what God declared as Commandments forever, even for the stranger, He later said oh never mind I changed my mind, go ahead and throw My Holy Word out the door. Is that what you're saying about God's Commands, because in Malachi 3:6 It say, I am the Lord your God, I DO NOT CHANGE. Hmmmm.
 
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As someone else said, I'm hearing crickets. lol
 

zone

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You cant blame your Pastor, mamma, or Sunday school teacher when you face God on judgment day. He has given us His Word, as well as prophets/watchmen declaring the truth. But you choose to believe a lie.
where are they?
 

zone

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Okay, I'll ask you this Zone, is the Ten Commandments done away with yes or no? Would you please give me a yes or no answer on this?
Shalom
Done away with?
NO
 

zone

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AMEN, I love those scriptures, I can't wait till that is fufilled. Because the house of Israel and the house of Judah being brought back together has not happened yet, therefore the new covenant has not happened yet.

Brit Hadeshah is the hebrew name for the NT, well it actually means renewed covenant not NT like it's been taught. I don't mean to burst your bubble on those verses, but it hasn't happened yet. Shalom
wow. so you are a dispensationalist avinu?
are there two israels now?
two covenants in place?

exactly what do you think the two sticks brought together means? when will that happen? when they are in The Land and Jesus returns?

or did that happen 2000 years ago.
 
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Done away with?
NO
Thank you for answering, one more question, are we to keep the Ten Commandments as the body of Messiah, yes or no?

How are you doing, did you go to the doctors again or already went? Shalom
 
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wow. so you are a dispensationalist avinu?
are there two israels now?
two covenants in place?

exactly what do you think the two sticks brought together means? when will that happen? when they are in The Land and Jesus returns?

or did that happen 2000 years ago.
Zone, show me where 2 thousand yrs. ago the 2 houses of Israel were restored.

Are you really comparing me to Darby, I mean really Zone, that is just mean. By the way the 2 sticks of Israel has nothing to do with the body of Messiah. And has nothing to do with 2 covenants.
Why are you running wild with my statement, when you I have talked quite a few times in length about some of this stuff. You know where I'm coming from, so I don't understand your accusations.
 

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Zone, show me where 2 thousand yrs. ago the 2 houses of Israel were restored.

Are you really comparing me to Darby, I mean really Zone, that is just mean. By the way the 2 sticks of Israel has nothing to do with the body of Messiah. And has nothing to do with 2 covenants.
Why are you running wild with my statement, when you I have talked quite a few times in length about some of this stuff. You know where I'm coming from, so I don't understand your accusations.

Judah and Israel came together in CHRIST avinu...if they harden not their hearts.

you know that the branches of the Two Houses split under Solomon.

and you know there is ONE KING AND ONE LORD.

what ACCUSATIONS? i didn't say you were Darby. i asked if you held a dispensational hermeneutic, which says that Israel is judicially blinded until some future date when they are reunited in earthly Jerusalem under Christ during a literal 1,000 year reign.
 
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WHY ARE PEOPLE RUNNING FROM HIS WORD? Because of all the crack pots with " personal interpretation " Avinu . instead of takin " someones " word for it, they need to study for themselves. Blind leadin the blind.
 

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Thank you for answering, one more question, are we to keep the Ten Commandments as the body of Messiah, yes or no?

How are you doing, did you go to the doctors again or already went? Shalom
hi Avinu.
thanks for asking. i'm not bad, yes...some good news, some not so good.
but that's all okay.

The Mosaic Covenant was given to the children of Israel at Sinai. agree?
The Law came long after Abraham. it was given for a purpose.

now since i am not a jew, that covenant was not given to me. i am not included in that Old Covenant.

i am a gentile, and i got saved 8 years ago. i am saved under The New Covenant.

i read God's Law and it showed me what a wretched sinner i was, without hope and in desperate need of a Saviour. i found out about Jesus and i BELIEVED.

but NOWHERE...not ONE SINGLE place are gentiles told to observe the Mosaic Sabbath God gave the Israelites as a sign of their deliverance from Egypt.

NOwhere in the NT does it say we are to observe Mosaic Sabbath.

Romans 3:20
Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin.
 
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WHY ARE PEOPLE RUNNING FROM HIS WORD? Because of all the crack pots with " personal interpretation " Avinu . instead of takin " someones " word for it, they need to study for themselves. Blind leadin the blind.
Why do people not pray and ask the Holy Spirit about it?

why do people claim only they hear from God and everyone else should listen to them?

and Avinu why do you believe that the new covenant is not in effect yet?

you never answered my question: do you believe that gentiles are saved?

If that is a yes, how is that possible under the old covenant?

IF that is a no, then we don't have anything to talk about.
 
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NoahsMom

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Why do people not pray and ask the Holy Spirit about it?Thats just it, they dont.

why do people claim only they hear from God and everyone else should listen to them?Anyone who does this , be very wary.
 
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Judah and Israel came together in CHRIST avinu...if they harden not their hearts.

you know that the branches of the Two Houses split under Solomon.

and you know there is ONE KING AND ONE LORD.

what ACCUSATIONS? i didn't say you were Darby. i asked if you held a dispensational hermeneutic, which says that Israel is judicially blinded until some future date when they are reunited in earthly Jerusalem under Christ during a literal 1,000 year reign.
Zone, this is where your amelenialism belief differs for us, (I totally butchered that word) so we there will be no middle ground for us in this.
 
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but NOWHERE...not ONE SINGLE place are gentiles told to observe the Mosaic Sabbath God gave the Israelites as a sign of their deliverance from Egypt.

NOwhere in the NT does it say we are to observe Mosaic Sabbath.
It's not a mosaic Sabbath, God is the Lord of Sabbath, and I never said it was for gentiles as a sign of deliverance. I don't understand you right now, you and I have gone through this and you Know what I'm talking about. Shalom
 
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[QUOTEWhy do people not pray and ask the Holy Spirit about it?

why do people claim only they hear from God and everyone else should listen to them?

and Avinu why do you believe that the new covenant is not in effect yet?

you never answered my question: do you believe that gentiles are saved?

If that is a yes, how is that possible under the old covenant?

IF that is a no, then we don't have anything to talk about.
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Just encase you're hinting to me, I have never said only I hear God, and even more I've said don't take my word for it, study it for yourself.
The new covenant is not in affect yet because Yeshua hasn't returned yet. We are in the Brit Hadeshah, which is hebrew for renewed covenant, which is the true name of the NT. New Testament is a incorrect translation.
Absolutely I believe that gentiles or anyone for that matter, who calls on the name of Yeshua and walk it are saved.
 
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Just encase you're hinting to me, I have never said only I hear God, and even more I've said don't take my word for it, study it for yourself.
The new covenant is not in affect yet because Yeshua hasn't returned yet. We are in the Brit Hadeshah, which is hebrew for renewed covenant, which is the true name of the NT. New Testament is a incorrect translation.
Absolutely I believe that gentiles or anyone for that matter, who calls on the name of Yeshua and walk it are saved.
what is the difference between the old covenant and what you want to call the renewed covenant?
 
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what is the difference between the old covenant and what you want to call the renewed covenant?
None except Yeshua became the final sacrifice for sin.
Matthew 5:17-19 makes things extremely clear.
 
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[QUOTEWhy do people not pray and ask the Holy Spirit about it?

why do people claim only they hear from God and everyone else should listen to them?

and Avinu why do you believe that the new covenant is not in effect yet?

you never answered my question: do you believe that gentiles are saved?

If that is a yes, how is that possible under the old covenant?

IF that is a no, then we don't have anything to talk about.
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Just encase you're hinting to me, I have never said only I hear God, and even more I've said don't take my word for it, study it for yourself.
The new covenant is not in affect yet because Yeshua hasn't returned yet. We are in the Brit Hadeshah, which is hebrew for renewed covenant, which is the true name of the NT. New Testament is a incorrect
translation.

Absolutely I believe that gentiles or anyone for that matter, who calls on the name of Yeshua and walk it are saved.
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Wow
 
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the two sticks have been united at the cross and penticost they were all there. sorry no land promise, its all a fraud
Eze. 37:38
Heb.11:13-18
The kingdom is not of this world.
 
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The 2 sticks of Israel are not going to be restored until Yeshua returns, people really need to read there Bibles, because no does it say they were brought back together at the cross.