Why Are So Many Scientists Atheists?

[djness]

I think "scientists" is being confused with "intelligent people". Some people feel comfortable making decisions without referring to a religious book. They know that they should help others, they should share, they shouldn't steal, etc. So religion seems unnecessary to them.

First I would like thank you for coming to a christian chat site to try and tear down peoples belief. It actually makes me feel kinda proud that you dislike ours over others. We must be doing something right.

Also some of the greatest crimes are committed by 'intelligent people''....but we really are steering off this topic. So feel free to make another thread.

 

[planksh]

First I would like thank you for coming to a christian chat site to try and tear down peoples belief. It actually makes me feel kinda proud that you dislike ours over others. We must be doing something right.

Also some of the greatest crimes are committed by 'intelligent people''....but we really are steering off this topic. So feel free to make another thread.

I answered the question directly, definitely not steering off topic.

I'm not saying religion wouldn't do some good for them. It can help anyone stay on the right track. I'm also not saying that all intelligent people are sinless.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Christians were severely persecuted and purged from the domains of science across much of the globe in the 20th century by the communist state atheist Marxists. Just a few decades ago, a mere wrong word from a scientist that veered from the communist "party line" could get them ten years in a hard labor prison which many didn't survive. This occurred in the Soviet Union, China, and nations they influenced.

Simultaneously, in the West influential atheists constructed a model based on evolutionary reductive materialism as they wrested away control of the public education system and have ever since shown great bias against anyone that fails to conform.

Since the fall of the Soviet Union, the situation has reversed. Outside of China and a few despotic nations like North Korea, Christians are today influential in science across the globe.

Christian associations devoted to science have very large memberships with the largest ones running into the hundreds of thousands of scientists, researchers, educators, philosophers/theologians, ministers, and interested laypersons.

Some examples are as follows:

Young Earth Creationism: Answers in Genesis - Creation, Evolution, Christian Apologetics
Old Earth Creationism: Reasons To Believe : Where Modern Science & Faith Converge
Theistic Evolution: Home | BioLogos

There is still the problem of academic bias against Christians in the West; however. That continues. And through the public education system, the bias is leveled widely against students.

Atheism is currently unfairly granted exclusivity by government though it is not neutral. Secularism is neutral. Atheism is not.

The scientific community as a whole are by and large non-believers and depend on their own thinking of how and why the universe exists. Why is this so?

 

[Bowman]

Steven Weinberg is a theoretical physicist, atheist and a nobel prize winner for his work is physics. He puts it quite well. Scientists are so busy with their work that they don't have time to figure out whether they believe in God or not. It does not matter to many of them. He also states that in biology most biologists are atheists due to fighting against religious fundamentalists who challenge evolution. Rarely will a creationist challenge a physicist due to the fact creationists don't know much if anything about the big bang or cosmology.

Complete and utter garbage...

 

[planksh]

Christians were severely persecuted and purged from the domains of science across much of the globe in the 20th century by the communist state atheist Marxists. Just a few decades ago, a mere wrong word from a scientist that veered from the communist "party line" could get them ten years in a hard labor prison which many didn't survive. This occurred in the Soviet Union, China, and nations they influenced.

Simultaneously, in the West influential atheists constructed a model based on evolutionary reductive materialism as they wrested away control of the public education system and have ever since shown great bias against anyone that fails to conform.

Since the fall of the Soviet Union, the situation has reversed. Outside of China and a few despotic nations like North Korea, Christians are today influential in science across the globe.

Christian associations devoted to science have very large memberships with the largest ones running into the hundreds of thousands of scientists, researchers, educators, philosophers/theologians, ministers, and interested laypersons.

Some examples are as follows:

Young Earth Creationism: Answers in Genesis - Creation, Evolution, Christian Apologetics
Old Earth Creationism: Reasons To Believe : Where Modern Science & Faith Converge
Theistic Evolution: Home | BioLogos

There is still the problem of academic bias against Christians in the West; however. That continues. And through the public education system, the bias is leveled widely against students.

Atheism is currently unfairly granted exclusivity by government though it is not neutral. Secularism is neutral. Atheism is not.

You should watch this entire video, with an open mind, if you have the strength.

Dan Dennett: Let's teach religion -- all religion -- in schools | Video on TED.com

 

[RedTent]

You find people puffed up over their own knowledge in all walks of life, and the closer they come to discovering the way God created the world to operate, the harder they had to learn as much as they learn, the more they pound their chest with pride in themselves.

True scientist, and try professionals in any field know they are working to find how God works in our world. I know an engineer who says that field is simply learning how God operates and learning to work with it.

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

Christian associations devoted to science have very large memberships with the largest ones running into the hundreds of thousands of scientists, researchers, educators, philosophers/theologians, ministers, and interested laypersons.

Some examples are as follows:

Young Earth Creationism: Answers in Genesis - Creation, Evolution, Christian Apologetics
Old Earth Creationism: Reasons To Believe : Where Modern Science & Faith Converge
Theistic Evolution: Home | BioLogos

biologos isn't christian...look at their writings and it is pretty easy to see...

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

No Rachel, they are Christians. Biologos started after Dr. Francis Collins, probably the best geneticist on the planet, had a genuine conversion from atheism to evangelical Christianity as a result of a serious inquiry in which he let the evidence guide him rather than atheist dogma. He is genuine evangelical Christian.

His position on creation; however, aligns with theistic evolution. It's not my or your position on creation; however, one can certainly be a born again Christian and hold a theistic evolutionary position on creation.

Jesus doesn't prevent people who honestly believe theistic evolution is the best fit for Biblical creationism from entering God's spiritual kingdom.

Here's their statement of beliefs: About the BioLogos Foundation | BioLogos

It aligns perfectly with evangelical Christianity with the exception of their creation model (which doesn't prevent them from being born again Christians).



The Gospel is not annulled

biologos isn't christian...look at their writings and it is pretty easy to see...

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Dennett is making all of the same false assertions the other new atheists make. Nothing new here. I've heard it all before and seen it all refuted before.

The biggest problem atheists have is their fallacious logic. And that is compounded by their denial that they have placed their faith in atheism. I've never met an atheist that didn't positively assert a metaphysical worldview that they cannot possibly prove while stumbling with empirical evidence to the contrary. Their belief in what comes after death is faith based and no one has ever successfully proven naturalism as a criterio for science, let alone as the proven metaphysical understanding of the universe in which we live. They just delude themselves and falsely assert there is no God, spiritual dimensions, etc... as if that were a fact when the exact opposite is true.

They are protectors of a false view of reality that is under attack like never before and they know it. Their momentum has shifted from offense to defense. In the end, they will stand before God without Christ and give an account like everyone else. I'm glad it's not going to be me in their shoes.

You should watch this entire video, with an open mind, if you have the strength.

 

[Cino]

Scientists need proof that their theory is fact. They do not have faith to believe without scientific facts. That is why for everything that God has created, they try to prove a scientific side of how it was created. All the miracles in the Bible, Noah's Ark, Goliath's Bones, these are all trying to be proved by Scientists. They simple believe that if you cannot prove it with your eyes, ears, knowledge and facts, that it cannot be true. This is very sad, that many scientists will not have salvation because of their unbelief. I had a friend in California where I am from, and he was a nuclear scientist. He used to come to church, as all the other members of his family were Christians. He used to attend, but could not "believe" in Jesus Christ, or God or the word of God, or any miracles, etc, without facts of how these things happened. In the end, he was torn between wanting to "just simply believe God's word", and needing facts to prove scientific evidence. Well, sadly, he had a mental breakdown and ended up in the mental ward. He said his two viewing sides conflicted, and he cracked up. The Bible says that God's wisdom and knowledge is not given to the wise people of this world, but to the lowly. God reveals more of His wisdom to the humble and lowly to accept Him, rather than scientists who reject His word.

 

[Kerry]

Scientist are products of what they have been taught. They are taught that we come from monkeys. They are taught how we evolved. Of which there is no proof, science has become a religion. The religion of atheism. Deny any inkling of God and produce it in a bench test. Hey they have now grown beef in test tube. It is a 300,000 dollar hamburger. It is amazing what our government will spend money on. On the split side, many archaeologists, whom have set out to disprove the bible have come to the conclusion that the bible is correct. Geologist are discovering that what they brought took millions of years, happened over night I.E. the grand canyon. Yes there is a devoid between science and God. But true science proves God.

 

[Grey]

All scientists are sinners

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

No Rachel, they are Christians. Biologos started after Dr. Francis Collins, probably the best geneticist on the planet, had a genuine conversion from atheism to evangelical Christianity as a result of a serious inquiry in which he let the evidence guide him rather than atheist dogma. He is genuine evangelical Christian.

His position on creation; however, aligns with theistic evolution. It's not my or your position on creation; however, one can certainly be a born again Christian and hold a theistic evolutionary position on creation.

Jesus doesn't prevent people who honestly believe theistic evolution is the best fit for Biblical creationism from entering God's spiritual kingdom.

Here's their statement of beliefs: About the BioLogos Foundation | BioLogos

It aligns perfectly with evangelical Christianity with the exception of their creation model (which doesn't prevent them from being born again Christians).



The Gospel is not annulled

collins and his biologos foundation have gone on record saying that jesus got some things wrong...

if we define a christian as a follower of christ...then saying christ was wrong would be a disqualifying offense...

 

[Radius]

I thought of this thread based on this popular scientist's video:

[video=youtube;5xvILvxYbFA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xvILvxYbFA[/video]

 

[Starcrash]

Scientists are so busy with their work that they don't have time to figure out whether they believe in God or not.

This is largely true, but it's also quite true of many who call themselves "Christians". Believe it or not, the majority of Americans consider themselves Christian, and yet I imagine you've noted how few of them are at church on Sunday mornings. It isn't really necessary to "take the time to figure out" one's religion... most people come to such a determination with little more than a vague idea about why.

Yet it is true that scientists are largely atheist, and there's probably a reason. One reason is the higher degree of skepticism, a necessary ingredient in finding unbiased claims through testing. Skeptics do not hold a belief in God until better evidence is provided (although atheism also includes people who positively belief that God does not exist, a non-skeptical position). It's clearly true that scientists value evidence through tests, and Christians have made every attempt to make God untestable. When prayer is tested (and fails), Christians say that God's will is a variable in prayer that can't be controlled for. When scientists demonstrate that near-death experiences are caused by lack of blood to the brain rather than a trip to the afterlife (as seen in NASA centrifuge tests that cause NDE's without the actual closeness to death), Christians claim that this is only true of "some" near-death experiences (selective sampling). When scientists found that "the mind" is all part of natural brain chemistry (that can be controlled through chemicals), Christians say that the brain is merely a radio that communicates with a soul found elsewhere. Every time that scientists try to verify (or debunk) Christian claims, it is always taken out of their hands and claimed to be beyond testing. And that is why skeptical scientists still don't believe.

 

[Starcrash]

I've never met an atheist that didn't positively assert a metaphysical worldview that they cannot possibly prove while stumbling with empirical evidence to the contrary.

And now you've met one. I am an atheist, but I don't positively assert that there is no God. I assert that the evidence for God is not compelling enough to make me a believer. Do I have a friend named Bill? You don't know because you don't know me personally -- you have no evidence, and so you do not positively believe that I have a friend named Bill. This doesn't mean that you are certain that Bill does not exist, but rather you are not a believer until you have evidence. I feel the same way towards your friend Jesus.

 

[Nautilus]

THere is so much fail in this thread I don't even know where to start. When did most christians become enemies of science?

 

[Brother_Don]

Why be concerned about things that don't matter? ALL of Gods people will always be Gods people nothing can change that. satan thinks he is having a blast trying to pluck believers of Christ Jesus from Gods hands, what a joke. The Word says that a believer knows the voice of Jesus, and they will run from a strangers voice. God's children always have been Gods children and will always be Gods children.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Show me the evidence that led you to make this statement.

collins and his biologos foundation have gone on record saying that jesus got some things wrong...

if we define a christian as a follower of christ...then saying christ was wrong would be a disqualifying offense...

 

[ChosenbyHim]

The scientific community as a whole are by and large non-believers and depend on their own thinking of how and why the universe exists. Why is this so?

Most likely it is because a lot of them have been deceived by being lied to.

Understand a lot today that passes for "science" is not really science at all.

Evolution is not science. It is a lie. There has not been one verifiable fact or source that has been found to back up or support the theory of Evolution.

Evolution cannot be tested, analyzed, studied, or verified by any authentic scientific process.

You see, the false teaching that mankind got here accidentally by a process of spontaneous generation is absolutely contrary to the Scientific Laws of Thermodynamics and Biogenesis. Hence, Evolution defies true Science. That is why Evolution is a lie and a fairy-tale for grown ups.

Also, keep in mind that Real Science always lines up with the Bible. The Bible is a Scientific Book.

And again what passes today as science is not science at all. But it is Science falsely so called (See 1 Tim. 6:20).


Just like the fable of evolution is.