Why Catholicism isn't Christianity...
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1) So everywhere "Mary" shows up (tree stump, grilled cheese sandwich, etc.) thousands of "her" devotees show up reciting "her" rosary and asking "her" for prayer and guidance.
Sounds like "she" is taking some of the spotlight.
2) Peter was still married. Who cares what he and his wife did outside of written history? Nunya business.
Sounds like "she" is taking some of the spotlight.
2) Peter was still married. Who cares what he and his wife did outside of written history? Nunya business.
Z
Well, that's what Jesus said. I feel I'm safer to go with His opinion, seeing as how He's God in the flesh.
If you confess with your mouth, ‘Jesus is Lord,’ and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.
Grace and Love
If you confess with your mouth, ‘Jesus is Lord,’ and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.
Grace and Love
R
"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God" (John 3:5)
Not only believe but repent and be baptized in water in the name of Jesus Christ and baptized in the Holy Spirit to enter the kingdom of God. Thanks what Jesus said so Im going by what He said
Not only believe but repent and be baptized in water in the name of Jesus Christ and baptized in the Holy Spirit to enter the kingdom of God. Thanks what Jesus said so Im going by what He said
E
There is no mention of Baptism in John 3. Jesus said whoever believes in him will be saved, He did not say whoever believes in him and is baptized in water will be saved!
It is heresy and outright false teaching to teach that jesus was speaking of water baptism in John 3. The only way this can even be considered is to add to the word of God. If your depending on water in baptism from som man to save you, your depending on works to save you. which God will reject.
It is heresy and outright false teaching to teach that jesus was speaking of water baptism in John 3. The only way this can even be considered is to add to the word of God. If your depending on water in baptism from som man to save you, your depending on works to save you. which God will reject.
E
Actually I think it is a stretch to say everytime you see water we must assume it means baptism. Just like it is a stretch to say every time you see the word baptism, it means water.
Jesus told the Samaritan woman of a living water in John 4. He called it the HS
Jesus told the disciples the water he washed them which made them "completely clean" was the word.
Paul tells us we have been washed with the washing of water. Again he called the water the word.
One must go to context of what the discussion is.
Jesus said we must be born again.
Nicodemus asked if he must go back into his mother's womb and be born again. If anyone has witnessed a womans water break. they would see what one would have to do to go back into the womb. When we are in our mothers womb, we are in water, The water breaks we must come out.
Nicodemus knew this. (as do most people) But jesus still did not leave him thinking.
That which is born of flesh (water) is flesh. That which is born of spirit (spirit) is spirit. It is one thing to be born of water, That gives us life. But until we are born of spirit, that life is dead. This is what Jesus was saying. We know because of the way Jesus finished. He said whoever believes in him will have eternal LIFE. One can be alive physically and dead spiritually. Unless one is born again they have no hope.
On the contrary. It does not take hoops to not see water baptism. It takes hoops and adding to scripture to force baptism into context.
1. No proof nicodemous would have assumed he ment baptism ( jesus had not even instituted it yet. He would not do this for a few more years.
2. Jesus did not say, Believe and be baptized. He said mere belief would give eternal life (born again)
Jesus told the Samaritan woman of a living water in John 4. He called it the HS
Jesus told the disciples the water he washed them which made them "completely clean" was the word.
Paul tells us we have been washed with the washing of water. Again he called the water the word.
One must go to context of what the discussion is.
Jesus said we must be born again.
Nicodemus asked if he must go back into his mother's womb and be born again. If anyone has witnessed a womans water break. they would see what one would have to do to go back into the womb. When we are in our mothers womb, we are in water, The water breaks we must come out.
Nicodemus knew this. (as do most people) But jesus still did not leave him thinking.
That which is born of flesh (water) is flesh. That which is born of spirit (spirit) is spirit. It is one thing to be born of water, That gives us life. But until we are born of spirit, that life is dead. This is what Jesus was saying. We know because of the way Jesus finished. He said whoever believes in him will have eternal LIFE. One can be alive physically and dead spiritually. Unless one is born again they have no hope.
On the contrary. It does not take hoops to not see water baptism. It takes hoops and adding to scripture to force baptism into context.
1. No proof nicodemous would have assumed he ment baptism ( jesus had not even instituted it yet. He would not do this for a few more years.
2. Jesus did not say, Believe and be baptized. He said mere belief would give eternal life (born again)
R
"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:" (Matthew 28:19)
"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2:38)
This is the way for the remission of sins.......if you don't do this what is the wages of sin? Death. What is the second Death? Hell for eternity.
E
Jesus said make them disciples. then baptize them. You don;t baptize those who are not already made disciples (saved)
"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2:38)[/quote]
Origional text does not say this. Peter told everyone to repent. He only told those who had repented and already recieved the gift of the spirit to be baptized.
baptism by a man will get you wet. Baptism by God will get you saved (titus 3: 5)
Your trying to add works to the gospel. This is no different than jews trying to add circumcision (another tradition which represents cleaning) to the gospel of Christ. Paul said their gospel was to be anathema'd. So should a baptismal regeneration (in water) be anathema'd.
Also. Why did you not show where I was wrong with what I said? You just went of on a tangent
"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2:38)[/quote]
Origional text does not say this. Peter told everyone to repent. He only told those who had repented and already recieved the gift of the spirit to be baptized.
baptism by a man will get you wet. Baptism by God will get you saved (titus 3: 5)
Your trying to add works to the gospel. This is no different than jews trying to add circumcision (another tradition which represents cleaning) to the gospel of Christ. Paul said their gospel was to be anathema'd. So should a baptismal regeneration (in water) be anathema'd.
Also. Why did you not show where I was wrong with what I said? You just went of on a tangent
if everyone on these forums spent more time working on their confession instead of these debates they would actually have their answers. as followers of Jesus we are to come together in his name to worship God. we should follow his teachings of peace and love. instead i see the followers argue among themselves as to who is right and who is wrong in their understanding. in john 5 39-40 we see his answer
what i have experienced and come to understand about the bible is lost on everyone who has not experienced it. they would rather tell me i was wrong in my understanding and experiences. i went to talk to many people about things after my conversion. it was only the catholic church that listened to me.
it is clear to me from reading many posts on this forum that people are trying to teach based on their understanding, not on their experience. they quote scripture and their understanding of it, yet have no experience. when i went to the catholics and read about saints i finally understood. these are people who have experienced the bible. not just read it. because it happened to me too. i am still not a part of any mans organized church. the whole world is a church, i hope you experience it before you die.
Jesus said the eye is the lamp of the soul, how clear the eye,how clear the soul. this is a reflection that is cast inside the pupil of the eye. put on some bright clothes. can you see the color of your shirt reflected in the pupil of your eye? can you see the color of your skin? do you only see a shadow like reflection? being born again of imperishable seed. if you are led by the spirit to put to death the sins of the flesh. for me that was april 7th 2009. deny yourself and pick up your cross. one thing is clear to me, the people who are unfit to teach the bible stand out very clearly to those who have experienced the teachings of the bible. stop bashing anyone who professes to be a christian, regardless of denomination. focus on teaching the gospels to non believers. spend some time writing your confession. you can have a childs understanding of the bible and still be saved. salvation comes from God, be very careful on how you teach his book. the exams can be quite intense. trust in your faith of God above mans understanding of his word. your faith will be rewarded. everyone will kneel and understand, Jesus is Lord.
Duewell
Jesus said, anyone who comes to him will not be cast out.
what i have experienced and come to understand about the bible is lost on everyone who has not experienced it. they would rather tell me i was wrong in my understanding and experiences. i went to talk to many people about things after my conversion. it was only the catholic church that listened to me.
it is clear to me from reading many posts on this forum that people are trying to teach based on their understanding, not on their experience. they quote scripture and their understanding of it, yet have no experience. when i went to the catholics and read about saints i finally understood. these are people who have experienced the bible. not just read it. because it happened to me too. i am still not a part of any mans organized church. the whole world is a church, i hope you experience it before you die.
Jesus said the eye is the lamp of the soul, how clear the eye,how clear the soul. this is a reflection that is cast inside the pupil of the eye. put on some bright clothes. can you see the color of your shirt reflected in the pupil of your eye? can you see the color of your skin? do you only see a shadow like reflection? being born again of imperishable seed. if you are led by the spirit to put to death the sins of the flesh. for me that was april 7th 2009. deny yourself and pick up your cross. one thing is clear to me, the people who are unfit to teach the bible stand out very clearly to those who have experienced the teachings of the bible. stop bashing anyone who professes to be a christian, regardless of denomination. focus on teaching the gospels to non believers. spend some time writing your confession. you can have a childs understanding of the bible and still be saved. salvation comes from God, be very careful on how you teach his book. the exams can be quite intense. trust in your faith of God above mans understanding of his word. your faith will be rewarded. everyone will kneel and understand, Jesus is Lord.
Duewell
Jesus said, anyone who comes to him will not be cast out.
Born Again Christians, aka, followers of Christ, aka his true followers, do not follow and will not agree to follow false doctrines and false traditions of man. Once you are Born Again you just don’t. You have no desire to do what God hates and when you put your trust in God and his word, things are revealed to you and you are warned of what to stay away from. Amazing that God would write all this to help us!
No – we are not to come together with other religions who teach false doctrines and traditions of man, for the sake of keeping peace and love among man. No. We are to rebuke and correct those who follow false doctrines. We are not to partake in anything that goes against God and his word. God states this message very strongly and numerous times in the bible. Sure – God wants us to love each other, and in sharing the TRUE Gospel with others, we are showing a form of love. He asks us to share the truth with others. It is not about being right for selfish reasons, and certainly not about getting a thrill out of proving someone wrong – it’s about standing up for God and helping a person to step away from false teachers and false doctrines of their church.
If you read the bible then you will know the scriptures I speak of, which warn against false prophets, false teachers, false doctrines, to stay away from these things, to help those who are involved in these things, yet you stand strong that we should all join together regardless. God does not want this.
Those who speak according to God’s word have every right to do so. God has asked this of us born again Christians. There are no contradictions in the bible. It’s made very clear numerous times, that there’s only one way to heaven and that’s through Jesus and nothing that we can do ourselves. This gets lost somehow in churches, yet it’s the most vital message. The bible doesn’t contradict, as God is not a liar. So when a man tells you to do something as it’s required of you, run for the hills, because God has told you everything you need to know. It’s all there in the bible.
Us born again Christians have the Holy Spirit working within us. The Holy Spirit guides us and reveals things to us. The Bible is God breathed and ALIVE. To the regular person, the bible is just words, but to those with the Holy Spirit, things are revealed to those who solely trust in God and his word, not that of anyone else. It’s incredible. Jesus even spoke in parables back when he was in the world, as he wanted to find out who his true disciples were. Many took what he said too literally (in the flesh) and not in the spirit, as it was intended. We are to walk in the spirit and not in the flesh.
By the way, Born again Christians are Saints. Did you know that? I’m a saint
The Church=the people, not the building. When Christ returns, he collects his church – his true followers. Those stuck in false religions will be left behind.
Surely you realize that you are going against God’s word? God does not call for unity of religions teaching different doctrines. He hates this. He says repeatedly in the bible that we are to correct and rebuke those who are following false doctrines. It doesn’t get clearer than that, since he mentions it repeatedly in the bible. He also does not want us to be involved with those who follow false doctrines instead of God’s word. We are not bashing anyone who claims to be Christian. Anyone can say they are Christian. God warned of this. He gave us clues in the bible on how to know who the followers of Christ really are, among the wolves. We are not bashing anyone, we are trying to share the truth with others. I’m sorry but I don’t agree with your statement that we should only preach the Gospel to non believers. God has asked us to correct those who are following false teachings, so preaching the Gospel is required to all, not just non believers. There is also a scripture where God talks about how it’s easier for a non believer to find God than a religious person. Religious people who are self righteous, caught up in their traditions and stubborn ways struggle to find God, because they become distracted in their flesh ways.
You mention that we should focus solely on preaching the Gospel to non believers and not to those of other denominations. Actually - in the bible God says the complete opposite and I'm sorry, but I trust God on this one. God gives us instructions to correct & rebuke!....
2 Timothy 4:2-5 : "Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry"
(In other words - correct others when you know they are following false doctrines to their own desires, desires of man, trusting in man. God has asked us to do this for him. We have to tell anyone who is following false doctrines that they need to get out and turn to God)
Now - things in the bible have been revealed to us Born Again Christians that we need to share with others. God talks about how it will fall on deaf ears but we are not to give up. It is not about being right and it's not a competition, this is for God.
James 5:20: "let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins"
Ezekial 33:8: "When I say to the wicked, ‘O wicked man, you shall surely die!’ and you do not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood I will require at your hand"
Titus 1:13-14: "This testimony is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith"
1 Timothy 5:20: "Those who are sinning rebuke in the presence of all, that the rest also may fear"
(God warns of False Prophets that will arise, deceive people and lead them astray. False prophets will teach false doctrines of man and not of God. You will know them by their fruits)
Matthew 7:15-23: "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Therefore by their fruits you will know them. Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!"
Matthew 24:24: "For false Christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect"
2 Corinthians 11:13-15: "For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works"
Jeremiah 14:14: "And the LORD said to me, “The prophets prophesy lies in My name. I have not sent them, commanded them, nor spoken to them; they prophesy to you a false vision, divination, a worthless thing, and the deceit of their heart"
Lamentations 2:14: "Your prophets have seen for you False and deceptive visions; They have not uncovered your iniquity, To bring back your captives, But have envisioned for you false prophecies and delusions"
1 John 4:1: "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world"
Hebrews 10:11: "And every priest stands ministering daily and offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins"
Acts 20:29: "For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock"
Yes - God did say to love each other, but he also said to correct those who are being led astray and he also said to not join those who follow false doctrines.
Romans 16:17: "Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them"
No – we are not to come together with other religions who teach false doctrines and traditions of man, for the sake of keeping peace and love among man. No. We are to rebuke and correct those who follow false doctrines. We are not to partake in anything that goes against God and his word. God states this message very strongly and numerous times in the bible. Sure – God wants us to love each other, and in sharing the TRUE Gospel with others, we are showing a form of love. He asks us to share the truth with others. It is not about being right for selfish reasons, and certainly not about getting a thrill out of proving someone wrong – it’s about standing up for God and helping a person to step away from false teachers and false doctrines of their church.
If you read the bible then you will know the scriptures I speak of, which warn against false prophets, false teachers, false doctrines, to stay away from these things, to help those who are involved in these things, yet you stand strong that we should all join together regardless. God does not want this.
Those who speak according to God’s word have every right to do so. God has asked this of us born again Christians. There are no contradictions in the bible. It’s made very clear numerous times, that there’s only one way to heaven and that’s through Jesus and nothing that we can do ourselves. This gets lost somehow in churches, yet it’s the most vital message. The bible doesn’t contradict, as God is not a liar. So when a man tells you to do something as it’s required of you, run for the hills, because God has told you everything you need to know. It’s all there in the bible.
Us born again Christians have the Holy Spirit working within us. The Holy Spirit guides us and reveals things to us. The Bible is God breathed and ALIVE. To the regular person, the bible is just words, but to those with the Holy Spirit, things are revealed to those who solely trust in God and his word, not that of anyone else. It’s incredible. Jesus even spoke in parables back when he was in the world, as he wanted to find out who his true disciples were. Many took what he said too literally (in the flesh) and not in the spirit, as it was intended. We are to walk in the spirit and not in the flesh.
By the way, Born again Christians are Saints. Did you know that? I’m a saint
The Church=the people, not the building. When Christ returns, he collects his church – his true followers. Those stuck in false religions will be left behind.
Surely you realize that you are going against God’s word? God does not call for unity of religions teaching different doctrines. He hates this. He says repeatedly in the bible that we are to correct and rebuke those who are following false doctrines. It doesn’t get clearer than that, since he mentions it repeatedly in the bible. He also does not want us to be involved with those who follow false doctrines instead of God’s word. We are not bashing anyone who claims to be Christian. Anyone can say they are Christian. God warned of this. He gave us clues in the bible on how to know who the followers of Christ really are, among the wolves. We are not bashing anyone, we are trying to share the truth with others. I’m sorry but I don’t agree with your statement that we should only preach the Gospel to non believers. God has asked us to correct those who are following false teachings, so preaching the Gospel is required to all, not just non believers. There is also a scripture where God talks about how it’s easier for a non believer to find God than a religious person. Religious people who are self righteous, caught up in their traditions and stubborn ways struggle to find God, because they become distracted in their flesh ways.
You mention that we should focus solely on preaching the Gospel to non believers and not to those of other denominations. Actually - in the bible God says the complete opposite and I'm sorry, but I trust God on this one. God gives us instructions to correct & rebuke!....
2 Timothy 4:2-5 : "Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry"
(In other words - correct others when you know they are following false doctrines to their own desires, desires of man, trusting in man. God has asked us to do this for him. We have to tell anyone who is following false doctrines that they need to get out and turn to God)
Now - things in the bible have been revealed to us Born Again Christians that we need to share with others. God talks about how it will fall on deaf ears but we are not to give up. It is not about being right and it's not a competition, this is for God.
James 5:20: "let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins"
Ezekial 33:8: "When I say to the wicked, ‘O wicked man, you shall surely die!’ and you do not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood I will require at your hand"
Titus 1:13-14: "This testimony is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith"
1 Timothy 5:20: "Those who are sinning rebuke in the presence of all, that the rest also may fear"
(God warns of False Prophets that will arise, deceive people and lead them astray. False prophets will teach false doctrines of man and not of God. You will know them by their fruits)
Matthew 7:15-23: "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Therefore by their fruits you will know them. Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!"
Matthew 24:24: "For false Christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect"
2 Corinthians 11:13-15: "For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works"
Jeremiah 14:14: "And the LORD said to me, “The prophets prophesy lies in My name. I have not sent them, commanded them, nor spoken to them; they prophesy to you a false vision, divination, a worthless thing, and the deceit of their heart"
Lamentations 2:14: "Your prophets have seen for you False and deceptive visions; They have not uncovered your iniquity, To bring back your captives, But have envisioned for you false prophecies and delusions"
1 John 4:1: "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world"
Hebrews 10:11: "And every priest stands ministering daily and offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins"
Acts 20:29: "For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock"
Yes - God did say to love each other, but he also said to correct those who are being led astray and he also said to not join those who follow false doctrines.
Romans 16:17: "Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them"
Z
Believe means to trust in Him, to give your life to Him because He gave His life for you. Jesus bought believers with His blood, those He chose before the foundation of the world to be His sheep.
We are not saved by works. We are saved by faith, which will bear fruitful works, the Spirit working in us.
So that even means that water baptism doesn't save us. Baptism of the Spirit does, though. We receive the Spirit when we truly give our lives to Jesus by His power. We can't do it on our own.
We become baptized because it's being obedient to what He commanded. But we're not saved by it.
Does that clear it up for you?
Grace and Love
We are not saved by works. We are saved by faith, which will bear fruitful works, the Spirit working in us.
So that even means that water baptism doesn't save us. Baptism of the Spirit does, though. We receive the Spirit when we truly give our lives to Jesus by His power. We can't do it on our own.
We become baptized because it's being obedient to what He commanded. But we're not saved by it.
Does that clear it up for you?
Grace and Love
E
What in Gods name does this have to do with John 3??
This does not prove anything!! Gentiles were saved before they were baptised in water. if baptism in water was essential for salvation it would be that way every time. Not just part of the time.
Acts 10: 44 - 48 ?? While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word. 45 And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God.
Then Peter answered, 47 “Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?” 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then they asked him to stay a few days.
No one can recieve the HS unless they have been washed. God can not enter a soul filled with the penalty of death.
now can we return to john 3??
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This does not prove anything!! Gentiles were saved before they were baptised in water. if baptism in water was essential for salvation it would be that way every time. Not just part of the time.
Acts 10: 44 - 48 ?? While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word. 45 And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God.
Then Peter answered, 47 “Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?” 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then they asked him to stay a few days.
No one can recieve the HS unless they have been washed. God can not enter a soul filled with the penalty of death.
now can we return to john 3??
.
E
It is more than mere belief. As scripture says the demons believe yet tremble. It is believe and trust that what he promised he will give you based on what he did.
it is one thing to believe he did it. it is another thing to trust what he did is able to save you completely. (which is proven by all the works based Gospels we see out there.
it is one thing to believe he did it. it is another thing to trust what he did is able to save you completely. (which is proven by all the works based Gospels we see out there.
S
I was using the Protestant approach of Scripture interpreting Scripture, one which I thought you would be familiar with.
As for Acts 10, In context it seems that the HS is what made them hear Peters preaching (the HS "falling upon" them) and therefore made them believe. This doesn't seem to be a case of a person having the HS "come into them" as you understand it. Rather it seems the HS was convicting people in this passage.
As for Acts 10, In context it seems that the HS is what made them hear Peters preaching (the HS "falling upon" them) and therefore made them believe. This doesn't seem to be a case of a person having the HS "come into them" as you understand it. Rather it seems the HS was convicting people in this passage.