Why Christians get a bad rap amongst the Jews...(an example)
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Can you elaborate on this with regards to Rome and money?? Not sure how to read it. 
It says the man in power has control of the worlds finances, No one can buy or sell unless they receive the mark.
That was not even possible and is not all the way possible even today (although the technology is there)
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Got it......Yes we shall see I have info on that too!!
I think it is amazing, how did people see these things which were impossible for so many years.
And how wonderful and powerful for us today are witnessing for the first time in history the actual possibility for these things to take place (global finance control. Not being abe to run and hide, World dominion. And the ability to wipe all life off the planet.
Heck we even have Isreal back in the land with the ability to rebuild a temple so the antichrist can desolate it.
People think we are nuts But it takes less faith for us to believe this today than it did even 100 years ago..
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I apologize for the delay one of my boys called me,lol
According to wars 2/Josephus http://penelope.uchicago.edu/josephus/war-2.html there were several attempts made by the Roman's to set up images in the synagogue's and in the temple in Jerusalem and each time the Jews thru a fit because it would pollute them to have pagan images in them.
In the text of wars 2 Pella chapter 18, paragraph 1 Pella is attacked and laid waist by the Jews(so it was not safe for the Christians to flee to until after the war)...
Why is this important? Christians fled to Pella before the war?
In chapter 10 and 17 in the dialog the Jews are in hazard of having their city condemned of "impiety" because they refused to sacrifice in behalf of Caesar and Rome, which was considered by Rome as "the highest form of Impiety". Impiety means they did not regard Caesar as (God) nor Rome as anything special.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Jewish_Revolt_coinage they(the Jews) did not use the Romans money from ad66-onward.
What does this mean compared to Revelation 13?
It proves without a doubt that the Jews involved in the Jewish revolt from ad66-onward did not worship Rome,Caesar as God nor buy and sell with its money(mark) and so Revelation 13's mark nor the woshiping of the image was fulfilled by the Jews involved in the Jewish revolt and a future fulfillment is true.
I apologize for the delay one of my boys called me,lol
According to wars 2/Josephus http://penelope.uchicago.edu/josephus/war-2.html there were several attempts made by the Roman's to set up images in the synagogue's and in the temple in Jerusalem and each time the Jews thru a fit because it would pollute them to have pagan images in them.
In the text of wars 2 Pella chapter 18, paragraph 1 Pella is attacked and laid waist by the Jews(so it was not safe for the Christians to flee to until after the war)...
Why is this important? Christians fled to Pella before the war?
In chapter 10 and 17 in the dialog the Jews are in hazard of having their city condemned of "impiety" because they refused to sacrifice in behalf of Caesar and Rome, which was considered by Rome as "the highest form of Impiety". Impiety means they did not regard Caesar as (God) nor Rome as anything special.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Jewish_Revolt_coinage they(the Jews) did not use the Romans money from ad66-onward.
What does this mean compared to Revelation 13?
It proves without a doubt that the Jews involved in the Jewish revolt from ad66-onward did not worship Rome,Caesar as God nor buy and sell with its money(mark) and so Revelation 13's mark nor the woshiping of the image was fulfilled by the Jews involved in the Jewish revolt and a future fulfillment is true.
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And from another point of view in Romans 13 and 1 Peter 2 ,,,,,
is Rome the beast whose image and Mark from Rev. 13 is to be avoided? why would the apostles suggest to the Christians to see the then present Government(Rome) as ordained by God,worthy of dues and to be submitted to if this is the image and mark?
is Rome the beast whose image and Mark from Rev. 13 is to be avoided? why would the apostles suggest to the Christians to see the then present Government(Rome) as ordained by God,worthy of dues and to be submitted to if this is the image and mark?
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That's why I ask if anyone knew the difference between Zionism and Orthodox Judaism one is an political party while the other is religious. The Political party Zionism can vary from atheist to doubting the validity of the authors of the Scriptures ect. but then also could be religious. They are socialist, a political party but a type of party just like the Republicans or Democrats are political parties in the U.S. but don't say it or since no one knows the difference you will be called an antisemitic as if you attacked a race or religion.
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Both are enemies of the gospel. I think that is quite clear. In fact any jew who is not a christian is an enemy concerning the gospel (rom 11)
And as with ALL people (jew or Gentile) we are to still love the person, and pray they find the truth. In fact paul makes it clear we are to love these people who are jewish, and enemies concerning the gospel. But beloved concerning the election.
If people call you antisemite because you are exposing their false religion. That is wrong..
And as with ALL people (jew or Gentile) we are to still love the person, and pray they find the truth. In fact paul makes it clear we are to love these people who are jewish, and enemies concerning the gospel. But beloved concerning the election.
If people call you antisemite because you are exposing their false religion. That is wrong..
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You spoke of a few people in one city
Rev is about a worldwide leader who enforces all the world to worship him as king, going as far as to make a mark, and forcing all to take this mark. And refusing to allow anyone to purchase or sell unless they have this mark.
And also remember, Jesus said, when you see the abomination STANDING IN the holy place. He did not say when you see these people ATTEMPTING to put something in the holy place, He said when you see it, THEN you are to run. Because their shall be a great tribulation so great that if he did not return to put an end to it. No flesh would survive.
No abomination means no fulfillment, Plus, if you read close. The authority of the beast was given to Every tribe and every language and every nation on earth, ALL who walk the earth will be given authority to this one king (the final form of the fourth beast of daniel) which means this is a worldwide event (It is one thing to see all the people of the earth, it is a far other to say every tribe, tongue and nation, all the people) And it is this group of people who see him blaspheme god in the Holy place as the final little horn of daniels prophesies, and force THEM to worship him by taking the mark.
Rev is about a worldwide leader who enforces all the world to worship him as king, going as far as to make a mark, and forcing all to take this mark. And refusing to allow anyone to purchase or sell unless they have this mark.
And also remember, Jesus said, when you see the abomination STANDING IN the holy place. He did not say when you see these people ATTEMPTING to put something in the holy place, He said when you see it, THEN you are to run. Because their shall be a great tribulation so great that if he did not return to put an end to it. No flesh would survive.
No abomination means no fulfillment, Plus, if you read close. The authority of the beast was given to Every tribe and every language and every nation on earth, ALL who walk the earth will be given authority to this one king (the final form of the fourth beast of daniel) which means this is a worldwide event (It is one thing to see all the people of the earth, it is a far other to say every tribe, tongue and nation, all the people) And it is this group of people who see him blaspheme god in the Holy place as the final little horn of daniels prophesies, and force THEM to worship him by taking the mark.
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Um, WHO said God said any king is worthy of dues to be submitted to? Not sure what you mean here..
And again, If one studies daniel2, 7 and rev 13. And other revelation passages, They all fit together nicely, The final gentile beast, who will be in power when God crushes the gentile statue (dan 2) , destroys the final and terrifying beast when daniel is told one like the son of man coming in the clouds will destroy. (Dan 7) And the beast in Rev 13. Which we are told again, will be destroyed by Christ himself, The rock who will destroy the beast and his armies and cast the beast into chains (rev 19) and satan himself, who ruled the beast will be bound for 1000 years. (Rev 20)
It all fits like a puzzle.
And again, If one studies daniel2, 7 and rev 13. And other revelation passages, They all fit together nicely, The final gentile beast, who will be in power when God crushes the gentile statue (dan 2) , destroys the final and terrifying beast when daniel is told one like the son of man coming in the clouds will destroy. (Dan 7) And the beast in Rev 13. Which we are told again, will be destroyed by Christ himself, The rock who will destroy the beast and his armies and cast the beast into chains (rev 19) and satan himself, who ruled the beast will be bound for 1000 years. (Rev 20)
It all fits like a puzzle.
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Ok thank you for speaking with me on this. It may be how I worded things in the questions I ask. You had commented at the beginning of the thread that the news paper headline seemed odd to say "Judea delares war on...ect." (cant remember your exact wording i apologize), but you were correct in there not being a "Judea" at that time and is why your comments interested me.
I am though baffled as to you saying "BOTH" are enemy's and also is why I ask If anyone knew the difference between Zionism and Orthodox Judaism(this was based on comments made by many posters). Why I say this is Zionism is an "Political Movement" that began in the mid 1700's by protestants but was referred to as "friends of Israel" but with the goal of creating a state and the original name was to be called "Judea". Then by the mid 1800's the term "Christian Zionist" began to be applied to the Christian supporters of the movement.
In the 1890"s Nathan Birnbaum and Theodor Herzi are who helped to bring about the term Zionism to the. The Zionist movement is a political movement no different than the "Tea party", liberal party",,"Democratic party" "Republican party" "Baath party",,"Nazi party" ,,,"Labor party" ect. in politics in every nation and is (not) a "religious Denomination" as many think. There are as many Christians who support the movement as Jews,Atheist ect.
The news media uses the term Zionism in many of the news stories to draw interest to their news stations in relation to the stories on antisemitism which has in the modern day led to the usage of Zionism and Jew as if interchangeable but to any Orthodox Jew an insult. Other terms are viewed in the same manner,, Denomination,sect ect. But I understand that many do not know this so expected most to use the same terms as the media.
In the days after the second world war Theodore Roosevelt and George C. Marshall were bitterly divided on the issue of the creation of an state/nation for the Jews and it's name .The name originally was to be Judea(hence the NP title) but then because of meetings with both Jews,Arabs,the UN,US ect. was decided as the "State of Israel"
I am a Christian, I always have been, It was not aware until one of my family members researched my families genealogy that I knew of the Hebrew side. The Orthodox Jews are a religious group who follow Judaism ,,,Zionist are a political movement whose members/supporters are Jewish,Christian,atheist ect.... I do not support Zionism because they seek world wide domination.
lol, I am not preterist,,,,I noticed that because I gave the link to wars 2 by Josephus that those who support Preterism/Amill. liked it without reading it(dot in a circle) and the dispensation/futurist did not like it without reading what I said(dot in a circle) when it in fact it is proof that the AoD,mark ect. were not fulfilled in ad70...lol